GDT: Free agency madness, brought to you by the letter G - PART 2

[Loach]

I'd agree with that. How many games in a row did JBD go without being on the ice for a 5 on 5 goal?

We don't need pair anchors on the right. We have them on the left. This isn't an unlimited spending world. I'd be good if Sanderson played the full season and the other two each got 40 games in.

This is all just turning into madness. Holden and Hamonic where good together. Chabot and Zub worked. Branny and Zub worked. Branny and Holden worked. Can Branny work with Hamonic? Sanderson with Holden? Maybe Zub and Sanderson....? Chabot and the two kids worked for a few weeks each...Jbd and Lassi. Can Kastelic play RD is the big question. Lol

 

[JD1]

We literally hired a guy from Pittsburg to be our AGM. I suspect that not wanting Marino has more than the usual info the back it.

Anyways, this is just noise at this point. Our D was much better to end the season than it was to start, and now we are adding at least Sanderson, and Talbot to the mix. Already got n paper to use two pretty big degrees better than it was to start the year last year, which is the disingenuous argument being thrown out there in here.

We already had a better defence than the one that faltered to start last season, and now it’s even better. We also haven’t been very interested I winning games for the last three years. We’re obviously not going to make any huge moves when we are moving at the speed of the core, while trying to get the best draft picks.

To combine your point with @Micklebot point, Bowness may well have suggested they'll get as much out of the better of JBD ot Thomson at a lower price point over 4 of the next 5 years.

With Bowness aboard, I've kinda always thought that we didn't move on Marino due to a lack of interest

 

[Ice-Tray]

To combine your point with @Micklebot point, Bowness may well have suggested they'll get as much out of the better of JBD ot Thomson at a lower price point over 4 of the next 5 years.

With Bowness aboard, I've kinda always thought that we didn't move on Marino due to a lack of interest

Yup, I mean we had every reason in here world to sign him given our inside knowledge, if we wanted him, which to me is telling.

 

[playasRus]

Since this is still our trade proposal thread, who's the biggest loser/winner here?

To Vancouver: Dumba + MIN 2023 2nd + Myers Retention (33%; 2M dead cap x 2 years)
Out: Myers, Garland, 2023 1st top 10 protected
Cap in: 6M -> extending to ~7.5M x 7 years
Cap out: 4.95M + 4M

To Ottawa: Garland + VAN 2023 1st top 10 protected + Myers (75% retained; 2M AAV x 2 years)
Out: Debrincat
Cap in: 4.95M + 2M
Cap Out: 6.4M

To Minnesotta: DeBrincat + Myers Retention (33%; 2M dead cap x 2 years)
Out: Dumba + 2023 2nd
Cap in: 6.4M -> extended to 9M x 8 years + 2M
Cap out: 6M

 

[GCK]

I hate it for Ottawa and I don’t think Minnesota can do it cap wise.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Since this is still our trade proposal thread, who's the biggest loser/winner here?

To Vancouver: Dumba + MIN 2023 2nd + Myers Retention (33%; 2M dead cap x 2 years)
Out: Myers, Garland, 2023 1st top 10 protected
Cap in: 6M -> extending to ~7.5M x 7 years
Cap out: 4.95M + 4M

To Ottawa: Garland + VAN 2023 1st top 10 protected + Myers (75% retained; 2M AAV x 2 years)
Out: Debrincat
Cap in: 4.95M + 2M
Cap Out: 6.4M

To Minnesotta: DeBrincat + Myers Retention (33%; 2M dead cap x 2 years)
Out: Dumba + 2023 2nd
Cap in: 6.4M -> extended to 9M x 8 years + 2M
Cap out: 6M

But why?

 

[TheNewEra]

just need zaistev to be moved

getting a defensive upgrade would be a bonus but removing zaistev would be a huge move on its own

 

[Korpse]

just need zaistev to be moved

getting a defensive upgrade would be a bonus but removing zaistev would be a huge move on its own

Unless Thomson or JBD make an impression in training camp I'm not sure moving Zaitsev would be huge on it's own. Having him as your 6th D wouldn't be the worst thing.

 

[guyzeur]

We should find a duplicate of our captain to play defence with Tom Chabot.

 

[TheNewEra]

Unless Thomson or JBD make an impression in training camp I'm not sure moving Zaitsev would be huge on it's own. Having him as your 6th D wouldn't be the worst thing.

the thing is we have 2 maybe 3 #6 dmen (hamonic and zaistev for sure argument to be made for bran/holden). Zaistev is the only one of those 4 that would be overpaid and we have seen the results from it so he has to go before we try that experiment again

 

[GCK]

the thing is we have 2 maybe 3 #6 dmen (hamonic and zaistev for sure argument to be made for bran/holden). Zaistev is the only one of those 4 that would be overpaid and we have seen the results from it so he has to go before we try that experiment again

If he is our 7th D that’s fine, but there will have to be a serious conversation between Dorion, Bowness and the coaching staff. If DJ starts playing him regularly then he needs to be sent to Belleville.

 

[HSF]

just need zaistev to be moved

getting a defensive upgrade would be a bonus but removing zaistev would be a huge move on its own

not really

who plays in the top 4? Hamonic? JBD? Thomson? All seems like unknowns and bad options for a team that is trying to be in the playoffs

 

[Loach]

not really

who plays in the top 4? Hamonic? JBD? Thomson? All seems like unknowns and bad options for a team that is trying to be in the playoffs

Is Zaitsev a good option? Lol

 

[TheNewEra]

not really

who plays in the top 4? Hamonic? JBD? Thomson? All seems like unknowns and bad options for a team that is trying to be in the playoffs

all of the unknowns you listed is better then the known zaistev. We already know how bad that option is haha

 

[Micklebot]

not really

who plays in the top 4? Hamonic? JBD? Thomson? All seems like unknowns and bad options for a team that is trying to be in the playoffs

Hamonic was playing top 4 in Calgary on a playoff team in 2019-20 and in 2018-19, he was playing top pair with Hughes in Vancouver for two years, they were a bubble team this past year in a very competitive western conference, and would have been right on the bubble the year prior if not for a disastrous end to the year impacted by Covid outbreak ravaging the team.

I don't really think there's a lot of unknowns here, Hamonic will be in our top 4 unless we trade for someone better. He's been playing in teams top 4 since he joined the league, no reason to think that changes this year. Zaitsev isn't playing ahead of him.

 

[Korpse]

the thing is we have 2 maybe 3 #6 dmen (hamonic and zaistev for sure argument to be made for bran/holden). Zaistev is the only one of those 4 that would be overpaid and we have seen the results from it so he has to go before we try that experiment again

Okay. Even if that’s your evaluation, you move him without bringing in an upgrade. Now what? Your left with one less NHL caliber D. That doesn’t sound ideal.

 

[JD1]

Hamonic was playing top 4 in Calgary on a playoff team in 2019-20 and in 2018-19, he was playing top pair with Hughes in Vancouver for two years, they were a bubble team this past year in a very competitive western conference, and would have been right on the bubble the year prior if not for a disastrous end to the year impacted by Covid outbreak ravaging the team.

I don't really think there's a lot of unknowns here, Hamonic will be in our top 4 unless we trade for someone better. He's been playing in teams top 4 since he joined the league, no reason to think that changes this year. Zaitsev isn't playing ahead of him.

Exactly. He's been a top 4 his entire career

If we go
Chabot Zub
Brannstrom Hamonic

To start the year, that is stronger than anything we've had in a long time.

And then we've got many options for bottom pair, with Sanderson hopefully maturing quickly into the top 4

 

[HSF]

Hamonic was playing top 4 in Calgary on a playoff team in 2019-20 and in 2018-19, he was playing top pair with Hughes in Vancouver for two years, they were a bubble team this past year in a very competitive western conference, and would have been right on the bubble the year prior if not for a disastrous end to the year impacted by Covid outbreak ravaging the team.

I don't really think there's a lot of unknowns here, Hamonic will be in our top 4 unless we trade for someone better. He's been playing in teams top 4 since he joined the league, no reason to think that changes this year. Zaitsev isn't playing ahead of him.

Hamonic is not a top 4 defensemen anymore...Vancouver couldn't wait to move him

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Hamonic is not a top 4 defensemen anymore...Vancouver couldn't wait to move him

I thought it had more to do with not being liked in the room or something to that effect?

 

[Micklebot]

Hamonic is not a top 4 defensemen anymore...Vancouver couldn't wait to move him

Ok, he's had 5 coaches over the last three years that all played him in their top 4, so I guess there's at least 5 people off the top of my head that might disagree with you. Vancouver wanted to move him because of off ice issues stemming from him not wanting to get vaccinated, not because of his play on the ice.

He doesn't need to carry a pairing to be a top 4 Dman, he just needs to be steady and compliment his partner. He's been playing that role in competitive teams and he certainly isn't the reason Vancouver missed the playoffs.

 

[BUCKLE UP]

I'd take a little buckle up at this point...

 

[ksens]

Exactly. He's been a top 4 his entire career

If we go
Chabot Zub
Brannstrom Hamonic

To start the year, that is stronger than anything we've had in a long time.

And then we've got many options for bottom pair, with Sanderson hopefully maturing quickly into the top 4

Brannstrom is not a top 4 D in this league. Hamonic might have been one once, but he is on the wrong side of 30 - his play has regressed, he has had injury issues and the Canucks couldn't get rid of him fast enough.

We still only have two defensemen who can realistically be counted on to play top 4 minutes (Chabot and Zub) and not get caved in. They better stay healthy.

Everyone else has huge question marks. If we want to roll the dice with Hamonic somehow getting better (when statistically this is unlikely) or Sanderson being able to play these kind of minutes right away or JBD or another young D stepping up ... that is a lot to chance if we really have playoff aspirations. If we go into the season with our current D core we better be ready to make changes fast if it isn't working out, because another lost season is the absolute worst case scenario here.

 

[Micklebot]

I thought it had more to do with not being liked in the room or something to that effect?

Ironically I could see the team blaming him for missing the playoffs due to him not joining the team until 2 Nov due to his admittedly confusing position on vaccination.

The team went 3-5-1 before he joined the team, and finished 5 pts back from the preds for the final wild card spot. Lost a couple really winnable games against Det, Buf and the Flyers in that stretch before he joined, so that probably bent some guys the wrong way on the team and in the fanbase, particularly when the reason he was out was hard to understand.

Edit: @Ice-Tray just reminded me he missed a shot road trip that they went 0-3 on too, some tough matchups in that one but they might habeen able to pick up a couple pts there instead of getting blown out in all three.

So in a way, Van may have missed the playoffs because he wasn't there to play in their top 4...

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Hamonic has played top 4 minutes his entire career. 718 games averaging 21:47 a night. He's an upgrade on Zaitsev, who in turn is an upgrade on most of the 3rd pair Rd ice last year..

upgrading on Zaitsev is the absolute bare minimum. Fine. Dorion did that. Zaitsev is not an upgrade on brannstrom or Holden. In any area of the game. And I thought even Lassi was better than Zaitsev last year.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Hamonic is not a top 4 defensemen anymore...Vancouver couldn't wait to move him

Duuuuude.

It’s like you specifically ignore relevant information if it doesn’t fit the point you’re making.

Hamonic was in the outs in Vancouver because he initially refused to get vaccinated and this couldn’t travel with the team or play. The team felt that they really needed him and he was unavailable due to an unpopular personal choice.

This created a lockerroom rift that needed fixing.

He was not traded because of reduced skill or roll on that team.

He eventually explained that his hesitancy was due to fears over his daughters health, but eventually he got the vaccine.

Hamonic is a #4 RD, or at least he was to close out last year. We’ll have to see how he goes this season. Players don’t automatically suck when they turn 30, and Hamonic is the defensive guy on his pairings, not the play driver.

We’re in fine shape to start the season. And upgrade would be nice, but at this point is not necessary. We can afford to wait and see how the RD kids do, or a good deal for us comes along.