GDT: Free agency madness, brought to you by the letter G - PART 2

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Interesting comments by Dorion in regards to the defense. He mentioned that Chabot, Zub, Hamonic and Holden are locks but that everyone else is battling for a spot. That is "tough decisions needs to be made on our back end, don't worry tough decisions will be made"

He mentioned that is Lassi Thomson, or JBD are one of the top six d men they will be on the team. If Jacob Larsson, Kristian Rubins or Dillon Heatherington are one of the best 6 d men, they are in. That if Sanderson isn't one of the top 6 then he won't be staying around as the 7th d man.

So from the sounds of it Brannstrom and Zaitsev aren't locks to make the team and could conceivably be cut.

They would like to add a top 4 d via trade but they are comfortable with their roster if they don't do that.

With his comments about offering players PTOs it seems like a few d men could be offered them and given a realistic shot to make the team. Based on the list I provided before the d options for PTO are:
PK Subban, Anton Stralman, Danny Dekeyser, Calvin De Haan, Ryan Murray, Scott Harrington, Kris Russell, Nathan Beaulieu, Keith Yandle, Ben Harpur, Zdeno Chara and Michael Stone.

We could possibly narrow that list down to Subban, Stralman, Dekeyser, De Haan, Beaulieu and Chara. Maybe one of two of them could have been offered a PTO by the Sens and it is just up to them if they want to go that route. Then they will be given a realistic chance to take one of the roster spots.

The question is what are those 4 guys locks for? I can for example see Holden as a lock for the 7d position.... Meaning he's on the team regardless of what slot he is in. The other 3 to me are obvious locks for top 6. I read that statement as 2 RD locks to play, 1LD lock and Holden a lock to be the 7th guy

Brannstrom not being a lock might simply mean he's not a lock for 2nd pair LD.
 
The question is what are those 4 guys locks for? I can for example see Holden as a lock for the 7d position.... Meaning he's on the team regardless of what slot he is in. The other 3 to me are obvious locks for top 6. I read that statement as 2 RD locks to play, 1LD lock and Holden a lock to be the 7th guy

Brannstrom not being a lock might simply mean he's not a lock for 2nd pair LD.
I thought PD said there was 3 locks not 4, would have to re-listen.
 
It cost about $2000 back in the early 1960s. :)


I would say "decent" but not "excellent".
I would say any 4th line that costs 3 million dollars or less is excellent. So long as you're not burning bad money on your 4th line, you're laughing.
 
I don’t remember him saying there were any locks except for Chabot lol. He kept repeating if you’re one of the 6 best d you’ll play. (Rarely true )
Went back and listened
He says Chabot won’t be moved and chuckled.
Then says Zub, Hamonic and Holden are for sure.
Then says could be missing someone here.
Then says everyone else is battling for a spot.
Then says best will play.
 
Went back and listened
He says Chabot won’t be moved and chuckled.
Then says Zub, Hamonic and Holden are for sure.
Then says could be missing someone here.
Then says everyone else is battling for a spot.
Then says best will play.
Honestly I can't see anyone on a one way contract aside from Zaitsev who we're trying to move, as not being a lock. I'd guess we're open to trading Brannstrom too, but if he's signed I don't see us waiving him so he's bound to be a lock.

Sanderson, Thomson and JBD need to earn spots on the roster, that much is clear. Brannstrom is the only one that seems odd to not have included in the locks but with him being without a contract maybe that's part of the rationale.
 
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- Goaltending is a concern because we don't really know if Forsberg can start the season the ay he finished it, remember he had his problems last yr too. Talbot as a veterna netminder will help but he has his own issues & age is catching up to him. While other teams in the div also have some goaltending issues that's not the point, they also play lots of other teams in the NHL outside their div.

- I think we all agree that the defence is a concern especially going into next season with 3 starters as UFAs. While I expect that Zub will be re-signed not sure if they will extend Holden or Hamonic, I guess that will depend on how they play & how ready Thomson & JBD are to replace them. Zaitsev & Brannstrom IMO continue to be a concern until they prove they can play everyday or are moved.

- the 4th line is a concern for several reasons, first, Gambrell while playing a fast paced safe game contributes nothing offensively & is barely a 12th forward. I like Kelly & the way he plays, but he isn't that big & like Greig could have injury concerns playing such a physical game on the edge & will likely be forced to fight more often. Watson is a UFA & again not sure if they would extend him. I would like to see Kastelic & Sokolov eventually make this team on the 4th line & bring a little more offence & size. They could also use an upgrade on Kelly with a bigger tougher guy who can also contribute a little more offence. If Jarventie can eventually make this team on the 3rd line that would push Formenton down a line. Not sure why they signed Hawryluk, but I guess they needed a cheap 13th forward vet who would be okay sitting out most games. I would prefer to see this lineup at some point this yr rather than Gambrell, Hawryluk, Kelly or Watson.

Tkachuk - Norris - Joseph
DeBrincat - Stutzle - Giroux
Jarventie - Pinto - Batherson
Formenton - Kastelic - Sokolov/Kelly
 
- Goaltending is a concern because we don't really know if Forsberg can start the season the ay he finished it, remember he had his problems last yr too. Talbot as a veterna netminder will help but he has his own issues & age is catching up to him. While other teams in the div also have some goaltending issues that's not the point, they also play lots of other teams in the NHL outside their div.

- I think we all agree that the defence is a concern especially going into next season with 3 starters as UFAs. While I expect that Zub will be re-signed not sure if they will extend Holden or Hamonic, I guess that will depend on how they play & how ready Thomson & JBD are to replace them. Zaitsev & Brannstrom IMO continue to be a concern until they prove they can play everyday or are moved.

- the 4th line is a concern for several reasons, first, Gambrell while playing a fast paced safe game contributes nothing offensively & is barely a 12th forward. I like Kelly & the way he plays, but he isn't that big & like Greig could have injury concerns playing such a physical game on the edge & will likely be forced to fight more often. Watson is a UFA & again not sure if they would extend him. I would like to see Kastelic & Sokolov eventually make this team on the 4th line & bring a little more offence & size. They could also use an upgrade on Kelly with a bigger tougher guy who can also contribute a little more offence. If Jarventie can eventually make this team on the 3rd line that would push Formenton down a line. Not sure why they signed Hawryluk, but I guess they needed a cheap 13th forward vet who would be okay sitting out most games. I would prefer to see this lineup at some point this yr rather than Gambrell, Hawryluk, Kelly or Watson.

Tkachuk - Norris - Joseph
DeBrincat - Stutzle - Giroux
Jarventie - Pinto - Batherson
Formenton - Kastelic - Sokolov/Kelly
Having our best forward last season in Batherson on the third lines makes absolutely 0 sense. Especially with two rookies. Also I'm not sure if Formenton slept with your wife or something but nobody who knows hockey would put him on the fourth line behind a guy who's playing in the AHL this year.
 
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I like Joseph but why is he on the top line in place of Batherson?
He showed some chemistry there in his short stint last year, I suspect he's going to get some time with skilled players this year too when injuries hit but not at the expense of Batherson.

What I could see is spreading out the talent across three lines where there is no clear top two lines, basically have pairs of Norris-Tkachuck, Stützle-Giroux, and Batherson-Debrincat, or something like that, and then fill in the remaining spots with Pinto, Formenton and Joseph. Maybe do that more on the road to give opposition headaches trying to line match, then load up lines in home games to take advantage when you get a favourable matchup.
 
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He showed some chemistry there in his short stint last year, I suspect he's going to get some time with skilled players this year too when injuries hit but not at the expense of Batherson.

What I could see is spreading out the talent across three lines where there is no clear top two lines, basically have pairs of Norris-Tkachuck, Stützle-Giroux, and Batherson-Debrincat, or something like that, and then fill in the remaining spots with Pinto, Formenton and Joseph. Maybe do that more on the road to give opposition headaches trying to line match, then load up lines in home games to take advantage when you get a favourable matchup.

I suggested that a couple of weeks ago - maybe 10-20% of the time.
Was thinking it would be a nightmare for some teams, and it would prepare the Sens for injury situations.

But your idea, bolded above is a good one too, I think.
 
- Goaltending is a concern because we don't really know if Forsberg can start the season the ay he finished it, remember he had his problems last yr too. Talbot as a veterna netminder will help but he has his own issues & age is catching up to him. While other teams in the div also have some goaltending issues that's not the point, they also play lots of other teams in the NHL outside their div.

- I think we all agree that the defence is a concern especially going into next season with 3 starters as UFAs. While I expect that Zub will be re-signed not sure if they will extend Holden or Hamonic, I guess that will depend on how they play & how ready Thomson & JBD are to replace them. Zaitsev & Brannstrom IMO continue to be a concern until they prove they can play everyday or are moved.

- the 4th line is a concern for several reasons, first, Gambrell while playing a fast paced safe game contributes nothing offensively & is barely a 12th forward. I like Kelly & the way he plays, but he isn't that big & like Greig could have injury concerns playing such a physical game on the edge & will likely be forced to fight more often. Watson is a UFA & again not sure if they would extend him. I would like to see Kastelic & Sokolov eventually make this team on the 4th line & bring a little more offence & size. They could also use an upgrade on Kelly with a bigger tougher guy who can also contribute a little more offence. If Jarventie can eventually make this team on the 3rd line that would push Formenton down a line. Not sure why they signed Hawryluk, but I guess they needed a cheap 13th forward vet who would be okay sitting out most games. I would prefer to see this lineup at some point this yr rather than Gambrell, Hawryluk, Kelly or Watson.

Tkachuk - Norris - Joseph
DeBrincat - Stutzle - Giroux
Jarventie - Pinto - Batherson
Formenton - Kastelic - Sokolov/Kelly

I have no concerns about goaltending. Aside from the teams with an elite goalie, I think senators are as good as anyone.

For example, I'd take talbot, forsberg over kuemper, all other things being equal.
 
The question is what are those 4 guys locks for? I can for example see Holden as a lock for the 7d position.... Meaning he's on the team regardless of what slot he is in. The other 3 to me are obvious locks for top 6. I read that statement as 2 RD locks to play, 1LD lock and Holden a lock to be the 7th guy

Brannstrom not being a lock might simply mean he's not a lock for 2nd pair LD.
I think Dorion was primarily suggesting that Zaitsev is not a lock to make the team. That contracts won't prevent them from dressing the 6 best d available.

As for Brannstrom, he hasn't locked down a spot. He will likely have a one way contract so he certainly will have an inside track over other d but it is possible he loses his spot.

The Sens have talked about their interest in acquiring a top 4 d man so if they pull that off, then that is one of the d spots no longer available. Sanderson is well set up to take the other top 4 d spot. Then Dorion mentioned that he has offered PTOs to a few players and given his comments about the defense it seems like some of the PTOs will go to d men. He also said he is only giving PTOs to players that have a realistic chance to make the team so he isn't offering favors to agents.

One possibility is that Sanderson takes a top 4 spot, the Sens offer a PTO to a d man who ends up getting signed to an inexpensive contract and they also acquire a top 4 d as well. That would result in Zaitsev and Brannstrom losing their roster spots, or maybe Brannstrom would be flipped as part of the deal to acquire the top 4 d.
 
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Sokolov being proposed on the fourth line is perplexing to me with the way he skates and thinks offence first. I want energy guys who know their responsibilities defensively and to that effect we have Kelly, Crookshank, Watson, Gambrell, Kastelic and Reinhardt.

Soko needs to blow the doors off the A and wait for an opening in the top 9 because, imo, he'll be playing an offensive role in the NHL or he wont be playing here at all.

Mendes mentioned spreading out the offence and putting Giroux on the third line and Joseph on the top line. I don't agree, Formenton Pinto Joseph should be just fine. I could see a worst case scenario where they don't meet a high offensive ceiling but they should be able to drive possession, be very good defensively and keep other teams really honest with their speed. I just don't see how that line fails.
 
Sokolov being proposed on the fourth line is perplexing to me with the way he skates and thinks offence first. I want energy guys who know their responsibilities defensively and to that effect we have Kelly, Crookshank, Watson, Gambrell, Kastelic and Reinhardt.

Soko needs to blow the doors off the A and wait for an opening in the top 9 because, imo, he'll be playing an offensive role in the NHL or he wont be playing here at all.

Sokolov works hard and is a handful for opposing D along the boards and below the goal line.

Not sure why he wouldn't be able to play 4th line minutes. At least he should be able to pop in the odd goal here and there and set up plays.
 
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Sokolov being proposed on the fourth line is perplexing to me with the way he skates and thinks offence first. I want energy guys who know their responsibilities defensively and to that effect we have Kelly, Crookshank, Watson, Gambrell, Kastelic and Reinhardt.

Soko needs to blow the doors off the A and wait for an opening in the top 9 because, imo, he'll be playing an offensive role in the NHL or he wont be playing here at all.

Mendes mentioned spreading out the offence and putting Giroux on the third line and Joseph on the top line. I don't agree, Formenton Pinto Joseph should be just fine. I could see a worst case scenario where they don't meet a high offensive ceiling but they should be able to drive possession, be very good defensively and keep other teams really honest with their speed. I just don't see how that line fails.
Yep
Trend in the NHL is to pack 1st 2 lines
We should too
 
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Yep
Trend in the NHL is to pack 1st 2 lines
We should too
I tend to agree as it is never a good idea to put a lesser player on a line with 2 better player as the opponent can target the 2 better players more easily. I prefer having 3 players who work well together.
 
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Sokolov works hard and is a handful for opposing D along the boards and below the goal line.

Not sure why he wouldn't be able to play 4th line minutes. At least he should be able to pop in the odd goal here and there and set up plays.
But thats not what you build a fourth line for. You build it for energy, heavy dump and chase and to not be a defensive liability. He doesn't really bring any of that. He plays too low in the offensive zone and does not have the skating to make up for it. He thinks offence first which is a detriment on a fourth line and he isn't particularly good in the neutral zone or in the defensive zone. On top of that it would be a nightmare if the opposing coach was winning the matchup battle and getting top lines out against him. He would last one shift under DJ in that role.

Sounds like I'm harping on him, I'm not I just see him as a terrible fit on the fourth line, at least until his skating and overall game matures.
 
DeBrincat - Stützle - Giroux
Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Formenton - Pinto - Joseph
Kelly - Gambrell - Watson

Chabot - Zub
Sanderson - Holden
Brannstrom - Hamonic
Zaitsev

Ideally Holden is the #7 rotating in every night to give someone the night off. Or we go with 7D and see one of Kelly/Gambrell scratched.

That’s a fantastic group to start the year. With the flexibility to add either internally through prospects or externally through trades made possible by cap space.
 
What I think we will look like on opening night:

Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
DeBrincat - Stützle - Giroux
Formenton - Pinto - Joseph
Kelly - Gambrell - Watson

What I think we will look like after 25 games

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
DeBrincat - Norris - Batherson
Formenton - Pinto - Joseph
Kelly - Kastelic - Watson
 
Predicting we acquire Chychrun the day before training camp starts. Arizona will hold out for as long as they can but Ottawa will still have the best offer on the table at that point.
 
But thats not what you build a fourth line for. You build it for energy, heavy dump and chase and to not be a defensive liability. He doesn't really bring any of that. He plays too low in the offensive zone and does not have the skating to make up for it. He thinks offence first which is a detriment on a fourth line and he isn't particularly good in the neutral zone or in the defensive zone. On top of that it would be a nightmare if the opposing coach was winning the matchup battle and getting top lines out against him. He would last one shift under DJ in that role.

Sounds like I'm harping on him, I'm not I just see him as a terrible fit on the fourth line, at least until his skating and overall game matures.
The 4th line can be designed with different attributes. Some teams design it to be an energy line. Others design it to be a strong defensive line. And others design it to consist of several fillers or specialists such as a policeman, a PK specialist, a PP specialist, or a 7th D. Plus some want it to have offensive players.
 
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DeBrincat - Stützle - Giroux
Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Formenton - Pinto - Joseph
Kelly - Gambrell - Watson

Chabot - Zub
Sanderson - Holden
Brannstrom - Hamonic
Zaitsev

Ideally Holden is the #7 rotating in every night to give someone the night off. Or we go with 7D and see one of Kelly/Gambrell scratched.

That’s a fantastic group to start the year. With the flexibility to add either internally through prospects or externally through trades made possible by cap space.

I like the F's and D's. BUT, I'd have Kastelic instead of Gambrel.
 
Yep
Trend in the NHL is to pack 1st 2 lines
We should too
I also like the idea of Formenton Pinto Joseph playing against the other teams best players. They will drive them nuts. They are so fast there wont be any room out there especially with the way Pinto can read defensive plays and comes through the middle of the ice. At home this should reallly allow the sens to expose the other teams bottom 6 as they essentially have two first lines.
 
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