Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[PlayOn]

Nemec+Mercer+Draft Picks would probably be the package. They aren't moving Jack Hughes and by extension Luke, and then everybody else has NTCs or NMCs. That package wouldn't be compliant at the deadline unless someone gets hurt in New Jersey and they can pull the Vegas special with LTIR until the playoffs.

I still think the Rangers have a much better case to grab Brady. They have some legit prospects in Othman and Perrault. They are in a position where they welcome a re-tool and are willing to move everybody. They also have multiple key pieces in different positions on their roster who don't have trade protection or have limited trade protection.

They can just tell Palat to waive for Ottawa or they’ll have to buy him out.

NVM I saw you said deadline. I feel like this will happen around the draft though.

 

[PlayOn]

Rangers are primed for a big swing

They might swing but that team is kind of old. Zib, Kreider, Trochek, Panarin… feel like they need a retool around some of those guys. And their defence is underwhelming. Idk if Brady solves their problems.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Don’t underestimate tkatchuk value. Tangibly we are trading a top line forward who scores at over ppg
Intangibles are perceived as off the chart. I don’t know the last time a player like this was ever traded

Which may be sign to keep him.

But I would do Hughes and mercer + something.

Lafraniere and Schneider as well

And like I mentioned a month ago move Greig for another young player

I don't think they would trade Hughes for Tkachuk. That messes way too much with their team. I think the idea they would have would be to try and add Tkachuk without taking anything away. Mercer is expendable for them. In an offseason trade, if they decide to keep Kovacevic, they could probably send Ottawa Siegenthaler.

Something like Siegenthaler, Mercer, and Nemec for Tkachuk. Then picks+prospects, and we also get Chris Tierney.

I am not saying that is an exciting package, and while I think Tkachuk could be the exception to the rule like his brother was and get a huge return even when the team is dealing him from a position of relative weakness, I think there is a limit. We're talking about a legitimate top prospect in Nemec, and then two NHL players with term as a base for a player who in this scenario needs to be dealt by July 1st.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

They might swing but that team is kind of old. Zib, Kreider, Trochek, Panarin… feel like they need a retool around some of those guys. And their defence is underwhelming. Idk if Brady solves their problems.

He doesn’t need to solve their problems. He needs to be perceived as the guy who’s gonna solve their problems.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

They can just tell Palat to waive for Ottawa or they’ll have to buy him out.

NVM I saw you said deadline. I feel like this will happen around the draft though.

Ottawa isn't taking that Palat contract. We don't have the cap flexibility to do it. It's a bad contract. The only way Palat is included is if it is a bigger trade with Norris going as well, and the idea is that Palat is a proxy for retaining on Norris.

I assume the team is still going to try and make the playoffs if they trade Brady. It will be more of a retool type move. Like how we got Jensen back for Chychrun instead of picks+prospects.

 

[PlayOn]

He doesn’t need to solve their problems. He needs to be perceived as the guy who’s gonna solve their problems.

Yeah I agree. I’m moreso just generally reflecting on which team he’d best fit, not so much who would actually target him. I do think NYR will try.

Ottawa isn't taking that Palat contract. We don't have the cap flexibility to do it. It's a bad contract. The only way Palat is included is if it is a bigger trade with Norris going as well, and the idea is that Palat is a proxy for retaining on Norris.

I assume the team is still going to try and make the playoffs if they trade Brady. It will be more of a retool type move. Like how we got Jensen back for Chychrun instead of picks+prospects.

I see us retooling for a couple years, but you might be right. I can’t imagine they would be thrilled to lose playoff revenue with an already frustrated fanbase. I think they’d be in denial to think that they can fix this in one off season though.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

He wouldn’t go to Anaheim.

Probably ends up in NJ honestly. His wife is from there and they’ve got a good chance of winning a cup soon.

we can trade brady anywhere we want.

gotta get the best offer for him. not sure NJ has what we're looking for.

we need a young top 6 player coming back.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Brady for laf and Schneider.

Greig for Quinn.
Make sure you hit the next first round pick out of the park

Laf stu batherson
Giroux Norris Quinn

Sanderson Schneider
Chabot zub

 

[HSF]

why would anyone want to downgrade from Tkachuk to Laf

makes zero sense...if they want a top 6 fwd send them Norris

 

[Burrowsaurus]

why would anyone want to downgrade from Tkachuk to Laf

makes zero sense...if they want a top 6 fwd send them Norris

Norris is not a top 6 player on that team

 

[PlayOn]

Brady for laf and Schneider.

Greig for Quinn.
Make sure you hit the next first round pick out of the park

Laf stu batherson
Giroux Norris Quinn

Sanderson Schneider
Chabot zub

Quinn is having a bad year but he’s also coming off an injury. I don’t know why Buffalo would do this, they also already have a 3C.

 

[HSF]

Norris is not a top 6 player on that team

Laf value is much more on par with Norris than it is with Tkachuk

Zero change Ottawa is trading Tkachuk before trading a guy like Norris

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

why would anyone want to downgrade from Tkachuk to Laf

makes zero sense...if they want a top 6 fwd send them Norris

Any Tkachuk trade talk is contingent on the idea that they may have to trade him before July 1st to avoid a situation where he asks out later but has a NMC to limit the market.

Except for that Agent Zub guy, he wants to throw Tkachuk off a balcony, metaphorically.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Laf value is much more on par with Norris than it is with Tkachuk

Zero change Ottawa is trading Tkachuk before trading a guy like Norris

I would also like to trade Norris before takcthuxk.

But Norris doesn’t bring back ANYTHING. Its gives this team cap space. That’s it.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Kind of crazy was a disaster staios offseason was.

Perron okay off ice issues but like…. Contributed zero.

Amadio. Bruuutal

Gregor. Haven’t noticed him since the first two games what happened to that guy.

Ullmark. Awful.

Jensen good but now has found himself on pairing 3???

Cousins…. That’s gotta be one of the worst FA signing in a decade. Horrible horrible player

But you knew this was going to happen. Guy probably said AH we have so much offensive skill. What we need is the exact opposite.

And he just completely botched it

 

[JaredCowen4Norris]

We ready to revisit the Granlund for Norris trade I was pushing during the off-season?

 

[Stylizer1]

At which point did this ownership/management start evaluating this team?

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

We ready to revisit the Granlund for Norris trade I was pushing during the off-season?

Norris for Granlund+Ceci

At which point did this ownership/management start evaluating this team?

I think they already did that. They pushed hard to change the team as much as possible. The reality is that the only players moveable with value are ones you wouldn't want moved like Tkachuk, Stutzle, Sanderson, and Adam Gaudette.

 

[Silencio]

I have no idea why people were seemingly expecting so much more from the Amadio signing. He put up an average of 25 points a season on a much better team, with one good playoff run. I never saw him as any more than a decent 4th liner. Same with Cousins.

 

[Blotto71]

I don't know what the right deal to make is, but would be happy if someone got left behind in California.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I have no idea why people were seemingly expecting so much more from the Amadio signing. He put up an average of 25 points a season on a much better team, with one good playoff run. I never saw him as any more than a decent 4th liner. Same with Cousins.

Well staios is. A PRO. He said there was more there and signed him to decent money. How are we supposed to know better than a PRO

 

[BondraTime]

I have no idea why people were seemingly expecting so much more from the Amadio signing. He put up an average of 25 points a season on a much better team, with one good playoff run. I never saw him as any more than a decent 4th liner. Same with Cousins.

Paying a 3rd to get rid of the better player in Joseph, who costs about the same was wild.

He really must have kicked someone’s dog.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Any Tkachuk trade talk is contingent on the idea that they may have to trade him before July 1st to avoid a situation where he asks out later but has a NMC to limit the market.

Except for that Agent Zub guy, he wants to throw Tkachuk off a balcony, metaphorically.

no i want to get the biggest return possible so the future is as bright as possible.

but when i do see brady quit on plays and on the team, i do wonder if the team would not be more cohesive with the captain scratched.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

The moves this summer were about doing as close to a full sale re-tool as possible with almost no assets, cap flexibility, and having to dump bad contracts in the process. They needed to show Brady a proof of concept that this team could compete before his NMC kicked in. They also needed to show the room that they could manage this team professionally at a level commiserate with what is expected by an NHL management and ownership group. I think that is part of why the Pinto contract was handled so quickly, and why they didn't drag things on with Chychrun to try to get a better deal than Jensen+3rd. (Jensen has been great, and while most people understood the point of the trade at the time, it was seen as a disappointment value wise.)

They were put in a very bad position because Dorion was able to make moves starting at the 2023 trade deadline that he should not have been in a position to make. They should have had the time by that point. Dorion made moves that were "win now" moves meant to save his career. He was in a no lose position because if the moves didn't work out, he was going to be fired anyways. He gave up a 1st and 3 2nds to acquire Chychrun (had to pay to dump Zaitsev), then he offered long term deals to both Korpisalo and Tarasenko.

They tried to shop star players at the 2024 deadline like Norris. The reality is, people only want the players that we want to build around, not the players like Norris or Chabot, who are signed to contracts that they can't deliver value on. They are good players, but Chabot is not a 10M real money AAV defenseman, Norris has shoulder concerns, etc.

What position did that leave them in? If they wanted to change the room, they had to gut the middle and bottom parts of the roster.

They clearly weren't concerned about asset management. If they were concerned about asset management over everything, we could have gotten Ullmark for less by not including Korpisalo, buried Korpisalo, and not signed Perron. They could have bought out Joseph and not had enough cap space to go after Amadio. Chychrun could have been moved at the draft, likely for a few 2nd round picks.

no i want to get the biggest return possible so the future is as bright as possible.

but when i do see brady quit on plays and on the team, i do wonder if the team would not be more cohesive with the captain scratched.

Just admit it, when you close your eyes you imagine chucking him off a balcony like Uncle Phil used to do with Jazz in the Fresh Prince.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Kind of crazy was a disaster staios offseason was.

Perron okay off ice issues but like…. Contributed zero.

Amadio. Bruuutal

Gregor. Haven’t noticed him since the first two games what happened to that guy.

Ullmark. Awful.

Jensen good but now has found himself on pairing 3???

Cousins…. That’s gotta be one of the worst FA signing in a decade. Horrible horrible player

But you knew this was going to happen. Guy probably said AH we have so much offensive skill. What we need is the exact opposite.

And he just completely botched it

before the biggest problem we had was leadership, so that's what they tried to address.

turns out you actually have to change the established leadership to instill changes, and not just bring in vets as leaders.