Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Well…. Players, coaches, and GMs talk about it as being a real thing all the time so you might as well just accept that it’s a real thing, especially given that it’s coming from the horses’ mouth.

Zib benefited from the change of scenery, and says so himself. There is no evidence that simply being more patient in Ottawa would have led to him growing into the player he has become (not judging the trade at all).

We are in part products of our environment after all.

In the case of guys in coaches doghouses and/or limited opportunity, or some other circumstances, I can believe its a significant factor. For a guy like ZBad or Batherson, I think it can at best be a small factor. Both guys were/are producing and getting lots of opportunity, and proving their worth, at least statistically. Zibanejad was clearly destined for being a star, we just had old man there saying dont pay him, wont pay him, so trade him. Granted, thats a pretty uncommon scenario.

 

[JD1]

I agree that certain players may perform better after a coaching change, but you have to keep in mind that if we wait to see how players respond to a new coach, we're not making any major moves until January 2025. They are very clearly not changing coaches in season so we'd have to wait until half way through next season.

In terms of Batherson, I think that he is a player who we will move, and it will become a meme. As in, he will break out as a 100+ point forward. He has that kind of potential, but I also think he needs a change of scenery to get there. He needs a fresh start, and he needs to go to a team offensively where there is an opening for him to be one of the #1 wingers.

I don't want to see the Senators trade him, but if they get back a #2 RHD, I would more than understand. They need to do something to change the complexion of the team, and Batherson is the most logical of the core forwards to move once you figure they aren't moving Giroux, Stutzle, or Tkachuk, Norris has ties to Tkachuk and plays center. So if they think they need to shake up the group, Batherson is the guy.

As far as Kubalik or Brannstrom, I doubt they have much value. Even if we move them or don't re-sign them, their cap will be used next year on replacements in the top 9/top 6. So while it gives the Senators cap flexibility to move on from them, I don't think it frees up much cap in theory since the players would need to be replaced and we may not have ELC bodies to do it.

Change of scenery? What are you talking about? He had a bad high ankle sprain that took a year to fully recover from. Other than that, he's been fine. Out playing his AAV this year

 

[camZ]

Apparently, Seattle is looking for scoring. Friedman did some speculating about Larsson. Garrioch keeps mentioning Batherson.

Batherson for Larsson? Add in a forward like Yamamoto or Tolvanen for Brannstrom.

I don't want to see them trade Batherson, but if the goal is to compete, Larsson is exactly what they need.

Don’t know about rest of you, but drakes potential is through the roof and we’ve seen it (damn you Dell!) his contract is such a steal that it’d be so hard to see him go, before giving a look with a new coach. Drake Jimmy tank is rolling right now

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Change of scenery? What are you talking about? He had a bad high ankle sprain that took a year to fully recover from. Other than that, he's been fine. Out playing his AAV this year

The context of the post is a change of scenery enabling him to become the go to offensive piece somewhere else and him becoming a 100+ point superstar.

It is not as if I suggested he has been unable to produce here, or hasn't played well.

 

[ottawagm]

Apparently, Seattle is looking for scoring. Friedman did some speculating about Larsson. Garrioch keeps mentioning Batherson.

Batherson for Larsson? Add in a forward like Yamamoto or Tolvanen for Brannstrom.

I don't want to see them trade Batherson, but if the goal is to compete, Larsson is exactly what they need.

No way. Kubalik + Bos/Det 1st + something else for Larsson maybe... or Kubalik + Brannstrom once Chabot is back.

Do any Sens fans have interest in trading for Habs Arber Xhekaj?( he looks like he might be available)

If he was a forward yea, but you can't have one of your D in the box all the time.

 

[JD1]

The context of the post is a change of scenery enabling him to become the go to offensive piece somewhere else and him becoming a 100+ point superstar.

It is not as if I suggested he has been unable to produce here, or hasn't played well.

Well, we don't need to be trading Batherson so that he can be the best Drake he can be.

He's been super for us, apart from a lengthy return to full health stemming from a greasy, dirty play.

Maybe you're right, but there's no need to ever find out.

 

[BondraTime]

There are a dozen guys and assets we should be trading for help before Batherson.

Was just last week or so there were multiple posters saying he was a negative contract we’d have to pay to ship out

 

[GCK]

I think the org needs to make a decision between Chabot and Chychrun, and use the other to get a top 4 RD.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I think the org needs to make a decision between Chabot and Chychrun, and use the other to get a top 4 RD.

Could be a decision that makes itself depending on Chychrun's demands. I would not mind trying to see what we can get for him at the TDL or pre draft/ over the summer. We obviously can't go into next year without a very good idea of his future here.

The context of the post is a change of scenery enabling him to become the go to offensive piece somewhere else and him becoming a 100+ point superstar.

It is not as if I suggested he has been unable to produce here, or hasn't played well.

No need to rush any kind of move with Batherson.

 

[Xspyrit]

Batherson makes 4.975 for 3 more years. Change the coaching staff before touching that contract. Even Chabot, we have to keep our high end talent

Kubalik and Tarasenko contracts expire. We have to replace them by players in the Mathieu Joseph or Ridly Greig mold, skilled sandpaper, hockey IQ and speed

The dead money expires, the cap will be rising, Giroux will cost less. Forsberg contract will expire, replaced by a younger cheaper Sogaard

We are totally fine cap wise going forward, let's keep all our good players and build a more cohesive team instead by bringing the right supporting cast and work on coaching systems

 

[GCK]

Batherson makes 4.975 for 3 more years. Change the coaching staff before touching that contract. Even Chabot, we have to keep our high end talent

Kubalik and Tarasenko contracts expire. We have to replace them by players in the Mathieu Joseph or Ridly Greig mold, skilled sandpaper, hockey IQ and speed

The dead money expires, the cap will be rising, Giroux will cost less. Forsberg contract will expire, replaced by a younger cheaper Sogaard

We are totally fine cap wise going forward, let's keep all our good players and build a more cohesive team instead by bringing the right supporting cast and work on coaching systems

Batherson is great value when he engages like he has lately but he’s an anchor when he decides to check out mentally. Putting that on the coaching staff is weird.

Either Chychrun or Chabot should be used to acquire a top 4 RD with some jam. Both should have sufficient value.

We will have normal cap issues going forward, nothing like this year.

With Pinto returning Greig becomes the internal replaces for one of Tarasenko or Kubalik so we need to add a winger in the offseason.

 

[Xspyrit]

Batherson is great value when he engages like he has lately but he’s an anchor when he decides to check out mentally. Putting that on the coaching staff is weird.

Either Chychrun or Chabot should be used to acquire a top 4 RD with some jam. Both should have sufficient value.

We will have normal cap issues going forward, nothing like this year.

With Pinto returning Greig becomes the internal replaces for one of Tarasenko or Kubalik so we need to add a winger in the offseason.

It's not mental, it's systemic. Most players needs to play within an healthy structure. Players like Greig or Giroux are the exception not the norm.

Anyway you will see, it's already happening right in front of our eyes the last 4-5 games

You don't need to trade Chabot or Chycrhun to acquire a Luke Schenn/Radko Gudas type. Like I already said, re-allocate Tarasenko's cap differently. I will come back on this (as you will probably reply)

 

[GCK]

It's not mental, it's systemic. Most players needs to play within an healthy structure. Players like Greig or Giroux are the exception not the norm.

Anyway you will see, it's already happening right in front of our eyes the last 4-5 games

You don't need to trade Chabot or Chycrhun to acquire a Luke Schenn/Radko Gudas type. Like I already said, re-allocate Tarasenko's cap differently. I will come back on this (as you will probably reply)

The players are starting to play within the system which is good to see. I don’t hold the coach responsible for lack of player engagement but you can’t fire the players.

I’m not sure we are getting 8M of value playing one of Chychrun or Chabot on their off side, I also think we need more of what Zub brings.

 

[camZ]

The players are starting to play within the system which is good to see. I don’t hold the coach responsible for lack of player engagement but you can’t fire the players.

I’m not sure we are getting 8M of value playing one of Chychrun or Chabot on their off side, I also think we need more of what Zub brings.

What system are we talking about? If we’re just starting to play within DJ system after 5 years then lol. I hope you’re referring to the Jacques Martin influenced system?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Do any Sens fans have interest in trading for Habs Arber Xhekaj?( he looks like he might be available)

No way? The new Chara is available? Future top 4 stud?

 

[Golden_Jet]

What system are we talking about? If we’re just starting to play within DJ system after 5 years then lol. I hope you’re referring to the Jacques Martin influenced system?

No poster is referring to the system changes the coaches and players talks about in interviews, 3 games prior to JM hiring, Even JM said he liked what he saw after those changes.

Including myself.

 

[Micklebot]

What system are we talking about? If we’re just starting to play within DJ system after 5 years then lol. I hope you’re referring to the Jacques Martin influenced system?

Jacques said their system was very good when asked where he'll help improve the team.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Jacques said their system was very good when asked where he'll help improve the team.

Well he was of course going to say that.

Start of the season he said on radio that dj wasn’t getting the most out of the team and they be doing better

 

[NyQuil]

No way? The new Chara is available? Future top 4 stud?

The asking price is a 1st, a 2nd and Zack Ostapchuk.

 

[Micklebot]

Well he was of course going to say that.

Start of the season he said on radio that dj wasn’t getting the most out of the team and they be doing better

He wasn't asked about the system, there was no reason to say that based on the question, but of course we shouldn't trust anything positive he says now that he's paid by the team.

He talked about working on how to get the most out of players, and getting them to play to their strengths, we should probably assume he was misleading us about that too...

 

[scout20]

No way? The new Chara is available? Future top 4 stud?

This goes way back but I was thinking Arber Xhekaj as the next Mark Tinordi/ Marty McSorley type player.

 

[ottawagm]

The off season focus should be on getting a few more physical players that can play top 9F / 4D roles.

We have 11M to fill the roster below, or almost 13M if we promote Soggard and trade Forsberg.

 

[Hale The Villain]

The off season focus should be on getting a few more physical players that can play top 9F / 4D roles.

We have 11M to fill the roster below, or almost 13M if we promote Soggard and trade Forsberg.

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We really just need to replace Tarasenko (assuming he doesn't want to re-sign) and upgrade the 4th line.

The defense probably won't need any additions at all. Just need Guenette or Kleven to graduate and push Hamonic out of the lineup.

Should be more than enough cap space to do that.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

We really just need to replace Tarasenko (assuming he doesn't want to re-sign) and upgrade the 4th line.

The defense probably won't need any additions at all. Just need Guenette or Kleven to graduate and push Hamonic out of the lineup.

Should be more than enough cap space to do that.

Yeah they're in pretty good shape going into next season.

Here's hoping Tarasenko is willing to sign up, i really like what he brings for secondary scoring. But if he doesn't, no biggie. 5ish million should be enough to entice a free agent, maybe someone with a bit more jam.

 

[ottawagm]

We really just need to replace Tarasenko (assuming he doesn't want to re-sign) and upgrade the 4th line.

The defense probably won't need any additions at all. Just need Guenette or Kleven to graduate and push Hamonic out of the lineup.

Should be more than enough cap space to do that.

Our D would be set if Kleven shot right or played the right side.

They should have him playing on the right side in the AHL by the mid-way mark of the season. Give him half a season on the left to get used to the AHL speed and then move him to right to see how he does.