Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[RAFI BOMB]

Anthony Camara is a wild shout for a PTO. He's 31 years old and has never played an NHL game!

He would be a quality PTO for a potential 2 way contract.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1750212831121715493

https://x.com/i/web/status/1628435130913263616

https://x.com/i/web/status/1574808406581469186

 

[Big Muddy]

Surprised we didn’t end up with Ceci plus a 1st or 2nd from Edmonton after all the talk in here.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Surprised we didn’t end up with Ceci and 1st or 2nd after all the talk in here.

I think it would have happened, but with us owing the league a 1st, giving away a 1st or 2nd would have been a difficult proposition.

 

[JungleBeat]

He would be a quality PTO for a potential 2 way contract.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1750212831121715493

https://x.com/i/web/status/1628435130913263616

https://x.com/i/web/status/1574808406581469186

Are you related to him? He’s a fringe AHLer.

 

[DrEasy]

Are you related to him? He’s a fringe AHLer.

But he fights!

 

[Dan Patrick]

Raffi Bomb IS Anthony Camara!

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

 

[BondraTime]

Camara was barely passable in the AHL 10 years ago in St. John's, I don't think it's possible he is at 31

And no clue why he'd head back to NA regardless, he'll make much more money than the 80k he'd make in the AHL/ECHL staying in the KHL or whatever league he will end upn in

Don't think any team would waste a PTO on him

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Are you related to him? He’s a fringe AHLer.

No.

He had similar production to Josh Currie in the KHL and the Sens signed him. I figured that Camara could likely produce similar numbers at the AHL level.

But I am not sure how to properly compare KHL point production to NHL and AHL levels. Sometimes players produce similar numbers at the NHL level as they did in the KHL when they come over. Others can't seem to produce at all. Sometimes KHL production is pretty closely comparable to AHL production.

I assumed, looking at Camara's KHL production, that he could likely be a productive AHL player and potentially play a temporary role in the NHL.

How would you compare KHL point production to the NHL and AHL? What kind of performance would you need to see at the KHL level to believe that a player could potentially carve out an NHL role, or at least an AHL role?

 

[Bileur]

Some potential PTO options for the Sens:

Cal Clutterbuck, Kyle Okoposo, Nick Cousins, Milan Lucic, Nick Ritchie, Brett Ritchie, Anthony Camara, Luke Witkowski, Robert Bortuzzo

This is the one.

Strike through the one I’d actively avoid.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Is this the same Camara that everybody is talking about? I think we should give him a shot.

 

[2CHAINZ]

Are you related to him? He’s a fringe AHLer.

Ya but we had to respond to Montréal getting Laine

 

[ijif]

No.

He had similar production to Josh Currie in the KHL and the Sens signed him. I figured that Camara could likely produce similar numbers at the AHL level.

But I am not sure how to properly compare KHL point production to NHL and AHL levels. Sometimes players produce similar numbers at the NHL level as they did in the KHL when they come over. Others can't seem to produce at all. Sometimes KHL production is pretty closely comparable to AHL production.

I assumed, looking at Camara's KHL production, that he could likely be a productive AHL player and potentially play a temporary role in the NHL.

How would you compare KHL point production to the NHL and AHL? What kind of performance would you need to see at the KHL level to believe that a player could potentially carve out an NHL role, or at least an AHL role?

This link might be of use or interest (https://cj-turtoro.shinyapps.io/NNHLe-writeup/?ref=theicegarden.com)

The link is a few years old, so things may have changed, but I still think it is interesting. The link shows NHLe estimates over 1000 simulations, so for KHL and AHL, it has the estimate as (80% confidence interval):

KHL | AHL

10th percentile: 0.467 | 0.399
Mean: 0.617 | 0.412
90th percentile: 0.786 | 0.426

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

What teams might have to drop a defenseman for cap reasons after signing their outstanding RFAs?

Unless Seattle has a player on LTIR that I am unaware of, they are 1.5M above the cap with a non-finalized 23 player roster, per Cap Wages. This means that they likely can only run with 21 players, which is doable but difficult.

Considering how strong their top 4 is, I wonder if they would trade Will Borgen. Borgen (2.7M) for JBD (800k) as a base, with us obviously adding picks or prospects.

That frees up 1.9M and gets them under the cap with 23 players.

This only works for us if Hamonic is going to MacArthur Cove. Hamonic (1.1M LTIR), JBD (800k), and our current cap space (approx. 300k) puts us only 500k over the cap with Borgen and a 23 player roster.

Borgen is a UFA next year, so if Seattle cannot fit him in or if he is not in their long-term plans, it makes sense to move him for future assets.

OTTAWA ACQUIRES
-Will Borgen (2.7M)
-Hamonic LTIRetires (1.1M)

SEATTLE ACQUIRES
-JBD (800k)
-Picks and/or Prospects

 

[benjiv1]

New third jersey will be better than I expected, but still just fine.

Glad they didn’t opt for some of the options being thrown out there.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

New third jersey will be better than I expected, but still just fine.

Glad they didn’t opt for some of the options being thrown out there.

Are they still going with this? Or is it staying shelved since Melnyk passed away?

 

[bert]

What teams might have to drop a defenseman for cap reasons after signing their outstanding RFAs?

Unless Seattle has a player on LTIR that I am unaware of, they are 1.5M above the cap with a non-finalized 23 player roster, per Cap Wages. This means that they likely can only run with 21 players, which is doable but difficult.

Considering how strong their top 4 is, I wonder if they would trade Will Borgen. Borgen (2.7M) for JBD (800k) as a base, with us obviously adding picks or prospects.

That frees up 1.9M and gets them under the cap with 23 players.

This only works for us if Hamonic is going to MacArthur Cove. Hamonic (1.1M LTIR), JBD (800k), and our current cap space (approx. 300k) puts us only 500k over the cap with Borgen and a 23 player roster.

Borgen is a UFA next year, so if Seattle cannot fit him in or if he is not in their long-term plans, it makes sense to move him for future assets.

OTTAWA ACQUIRES
-Will Borgen (2.7M)
-Hamonic LTIRetires (1.1M)

SEATTLE ACQUIRES
-JBD (800k)
-Picks and/or Prospects

Will Borgen? Where do they get the cap space? That leaves them no room for player movement. They cant trade Hamonic unless he is ok with it why would he do that and why would he retire? He wants to play and you want the sens to add a pick and this puts them over the cap. You wanted Ceci before too, whats with you and wanting overpaid 5th d men?

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Will Borgen? Terrible cap management by Ottawa. They cant trade Hamonic unless he is ok with it why would he do that. He wants to play and you want the sens to add a pick. You wanted Ceci before too, whats with you and wanting overpaid 3rd pairing d men.

I am bargain bin shopping.

I obviously want "good" players, but people don't just trade good players. I am looking for short-term plug-and-play roster players that can add depth to the bottom pair and have a realistic reason to be available. Players who are on expiring contracts and can be moved on from at the end of the season.

I listed the trade poorly, Hamonic was meant to be a secondary move (Ottawa places him on LTIR), not Hamonic to Seattle.

I am not saying you're wrong, but I think there is a misunderstanding about the context of the suggestion.

 

[bert]

I am bargain bin shopping.

I obviously want "good" players, but people don't just trade good players. I am looking for short-term plug-and-play roster players that can add depth to the bottom pair and have a realistic reason to be available. Players who are on expiring contracts and can be moved on from at the end of the season.

I listed the trade poorly, Hamonic was meant to be a secondary move (Ottawa places him on LTIR), not Hamonic to Seattle.

I am not saying you're wrong, but I think there is a misunderstanding about the context of the suggestion.

I actually dont mind it as much i'll be honest i havent done a deep dive on the player. He actually might be a good fit I just dont see how they make it work with the cap

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Borgen is much better than Ceci.

 

[Cosmix]

Surprised we didn’t end up with Ceci plus a 1st or 2nd from Edmonton after all the talk in here.

Budget and cap dollars are the reasons.

 

[Big Muddy]

Budget and cap dollars are the reasons.

Yes true. It was a tongue in cheek post though given all the Ceci talk that was floating around for a while.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Yes true. It was a tongue in cheek post though given all the Ceci talk that was floating around for a while.

Annoying that people keep bringing this guy up. We need to stop living in the past.

If Norris is really bad this season, would you guys flip him for Pageau just to get out of his contract?

 

[TheNewEra]

Annoying that people keep bringing this guy up. We need to stop living in the past.

If Norris is really bad this season, would you guys flip him for Pageau just to get out of his contract?

would depend on a couple of things

1. if he is bad because of injury and is actually injured then we can ltir him
2. how much the cap goes up (if it does) because that would make it more manageable
3. goes with two some what, how bad is really bad; like last year he was on pace for 50 pts which wasnt great at all but it wasnt really bad either imo

 

[benjiv1]

I may have seen what has been submitted to fanatics for final touches on next year’s 3rd jersey.

Won’t give specific details, but if you liked the original reverse retro, you won’t be disappointed.

It really could have been wayyyy worse.