Actually I watch the players and watched all of their careers, Stü is way ahead of either at the same age,
Sorry guys. Didn't realize you needed to monopolize every f***ing thread on the board to have the same discussion over and over and over again. Can someone explain to me what off topic means? Cause it's clear I'm in the wrong here.
You could simply ignore the conversation and go on with your day. Instead, you always have to post like you are morally superior. When I see a discussion on here that I have nothing to contribute to or don't care for, I don't post about it. You should try that some time.
I don't pretend to be superior to anyone but I don't think we need this many threads on the forum dedicated to Pierre Dorion discussion. Is 1 Pierre Dorion-specific thread not enough? Or should I avoid the entire forum because God knows when another thread will be hijacked so you guys can have yet another Senate hearing rehashing the same f***ing points like anything changed in between the 30 minutes the last debate broke out?
We are in the trade thread discussing trades that happened. Can you point me to all the other Dorion discussions going on in other threads, please? Is there a trade rumour or proposal you would like to discuss? I'd be happy to pivot the conversation to discuss your trade ideas if you'd like.
Here's the Pierre Dorion thread so you can freely discuss all the bullshit moves he's made -
I asked you to point me to the other threads where Dorion was being discussed, not the Dorion thread. I also asked you to provide a pivot to the conversation if you didn't like it. You just post the same shit, telling people to stop discussing Dorion. Do you have a trade proposal or something you would like to discuss?Here's the Pierre Dorion thread so you can freely discuss all the bullshit moves he's made -
This is the trade rumours and proposals thread, not the go over trades from 5+ years ago thread. Maybe we could talk about guys who might - or need to - get moved? Maybe we could talk about targets to upgrade the bottom 6? Maybe we could talk about a trade that could shake up the core of the team? Maybe we could talk about options to unload Forsberg given his performance? Maybe we could talk about trade rumours surrounding other teams?
I don't care if you guys want to constantly re-hash Dorion's tenure but there's a thread that specifically has his name in the title. I don't want to respond to these posts but when I come to this thread to see if there's any inside info about what's going on with the team and the past 5 pages are talking about the Stone and Zibanejad trades, it's kind of f***ing absurd to me. I just don't know why so many threads on this forum need to turn into Dorion-centric discussions. Why else do we make specific threads for different topics?
They were both awful. Dorion was promoted because he was cheap and easy and a carry over from Murray. One definitely doesnt excuse the other even if Melnyk was the real life version of Mr. burns and Dorion was just Smithers.
I put the Positivity thread back on the 1st page for your convenience.Here's the Pierre Dorion thread so you can freely discuss all the bullshit moves he's made -
This is the trade rumours and proposals thread, not the go over trades from 5+ years ago thread. Maybe we could talk about guys who might - or need to - get moved? Maybe we could talk about targets to upgrade the bottom 6? Maybe we could talk about a trade that could shake up the core of the team? Maybe we could talk about options to unload Forsberg given his performance? Maybe we could talk about trade rumours surrounding other teams?
I don't care if you guys want to constantly re-hash Dorion's tenure but there's a thread that specifically has his name in the title. I don't want to respond to these posts but when I come to this thread to see if there's any inside info about what's going on with the team and the past 5 pages are talking about the Stone and Zibanejad trades, it's kind of f***ing absurd to me. I just don't know why so many threads on this forum need to turn into Dorion-centric discussions. Why else do we make specific threads for different topics?
Here's the Pierre Dorion thread so you can freely discuss all the bullshit moves he's made -
This is the trade rumours and proposals thread, not the go over trades from 5+ years ago thread. Maybe we could talk about guys who might - or need to - get moved? Maybe we could talk about targets to upgrade the bottom 6? Maybe we could talk about a trade that could shake up the core of the team? Maybe we could talk about options to unload Forsberg given his performance? Maybe we could talk about trade rumours surrounding other teams?
I don't care if you guys want to constantly re-hash Dorion's tenure but there's a thread that specifically has his name in the title. I don't want to respond to these posts but when I come to this thread to see if there's any inside info about what's going on with the team and the past 5 pages are talking about the Stone and Zibanejad trades, it's kind of f***ing absurd to me. I just don't know why so many threads on this forum need to turn into Dorion-centric discussions. Why else do we make specific threads for different topics?
Yes, they were both awful. I will be honest; I don't want to keep discussing Dorion, and not because BankStreet is triggered by it. I was just giving my opinion on some of the moves that got us here. I think it's safe to say he was an awful GM, with and without Melnyk. Hopefully, with the pieces we have here now and the dead cap space from Murray, Ryan, and Del Zotto buyouts off the books next season, a new GM can help solidify this roster.
I don't think Edmonton wants to tank, so Forsberg is definitely not what they are looking for at this time. Korpisalo might be. I think they would want to trade us one of their boat anchors in return. Getting back their 1st round draft pick in 2024 as compensation might be worth it.
Well I'm trying to accommodate the more delicate flowers in here, and a Forsberg trade seemed like something to try. I'm not sure the Oilers are going to get a decent starter from any team, but I suppose you never know, and stranger things have happened in the past.I don't think Edmonton wants to tank, so Forsberg is definitely not what they are looking for at this time. Korpisalo might be. I think they would want to trade us one of their boat anchors in return. Getting back their 1st round draft pick in 2024 as compensation might be worth it.
I get it.
Trading Forsberg is really not going to move the needle much. If the Sens make a trade it's got to be big to make a difference. I would suggest Batherson as he has good value as an offensive player. But at the same time you ask for a much better defensive forward back that can chip in 10-15 goals. Give me another player like Joseph right now and the Sens are better off both performance wise and salary wise. And I would consider dumping Norris as well but his value is pretty low right now so the return would be poor.
Yes, but the goalie they need to get rid of is Jack Campbell, and they would need to add a hell of a lot more than a first-round pick to take that anchor. Unfortunately, we need the cap space, and we cannot take him on. If there was a way to work a 3-way deal with a rebuilding team like Chicago that could get compensation for Campbell and we get something for Forsberg, that is the only way it would work.I get it.
It will cost the Oilers a lot to get a better goaltender because they would have to move something out such as their current bad goaltender and then add a sweetener to do so. Hence a 1st round pick. Interesting situation.
I disagree, and once again, Batherson is a contract we need; it's cheap, and he has shown he can be good. We do not have winger depth, but we do have C depth with Pinto and Greig. If there is a market to explore, it is Josh Norris, but once again, we are in a spot where we are selling low, and I don't even know if anyone will take that contract, never mind getting assets in return for it. If a piece is being moved for NHL talent, it is likely to be Pinto or Greig, unfortunately.
We know what Batherson really is; a good offensive player that is one dimensional. Poor defensively, lackadaisical and unwilling to be physical. It's no coincidence that the worst plus minus's on the team last year and this year are himself and his linemates. What's the point putting up 25 goals and 40 assists if the cumulative total of the guys you play against are 40 and 50?
After we lose Tarasenko, we have no top six wingers if you trade Batherson. Defense can be taught; being able to score goals and put up points cannot be taught. If you move on from Batherson, we will be looking for a winger because we have no winger depth or prospects. I would prefer to see these players play under a new coach and new system before I make a knee-jerk trade.
I think value wise its fine. With the help of some hindsight I think the timing is off. I also don't like giving up 2 high first rounders in back to back years . It looks premature. I prefer the Chychrun move to the DeBrincat one. I think I would have preferred to keep the picks at this point
He's another Hoffman, granted with less speed and skill, but more size and vision. Hoffman had lots of big moments here and contributed to a winning team. No reason we can't squeeze some juice out of Bath when it counts. Guys like that can be fine, and valuable when worked in to a roster the right way.
That's kind of Dorion's MO. Give up valuable assets with long roads of control left to make a big trade for a player with uncertainty around the corner. Brassard, Duchene, DeBrincat, Chychrun all immediately come to mind. I'm sure there's more.
I would argue he is more physical, and he wasn't always terrible defensively. It seems the entire team is terrible on the defensive end right now, so I find it hard to single him out for that. I would prefer to see him in a new system with a new coach before I trade him and his good contract for cents on the dollar right now. Also, we have no wingers to replace him with, so if we trade him, we will be looking for a winger to score.
