You guys are both wrong imo. The worst one was the first one. Trading Zibanejad basically tanked their center position long term and helped make the rebuild seem a lot more necessary than it would have been otherwise. Then they tried to replace him with a bad trade for Duchene a year later. It was likely forced by Melnyk refusing to give him his next contract, but he was our number 1 center of the future according to Dorion like a week prior to that trade.
We weren't picking the worst one; we were picking our favourites. Zibanejad and 2nd is easily by far the worst.
Yes, the Zibanejad trade is a beauty (beautiful in a devastating kind of way) as well, but I eliminated it because I think that was driven by Melnyk's desire to reduce the (upcoming) payroll.
Typical of Staios. We will probably have attach a pick to unload someone. Brutal asset management.
Ha well then, I'll show myself out.
That's the caveat as Melnyk was likely heavily involved in that (and others). I just see it as the beginning of them being able to at least moderately justify a need to rebuild since they traded away a cornerstone piece in arguably the most important position. The center position became even more unstable only a year later with Duchene and his soon to expire contract coming in for Turris ++++++.
For Chabot's return, Greig and Kastelic can go on LTIR, or we can send down Highmore and MacEwen if Grieg and or Kastelic are ready.
You might be right about the bolded. I don't remember everything in general or this trade specifically.
The most disgusting part of our rebuild was that we never utilized our cap space to acquire actual assets. Instead, we traded assets to acquire players with a higher cap hit than salary. Then you come on here and have the Dorion defenders tell you that you are overreacting.
Yes, very hard to know just how far the Melnyk reach went, but indications are it was very deep. The man was a maniac who surely made Dorion's job way more difficult, and likely at times full on dictated what was going to happen in hockey ops.
At times, there was so much devotion to it that it made me question my own sanity. It's nice to come out the other end with some vindication, especially with regard to Melnyk, but it's a shame it's our hockey team that suffers.
During our rebuild we traded second round picks for Matt Murray and Derek stepan
Is the only way they get under when they bring back Chabot is if they retroactively place Grieg and Kastelic on the LTIR?
Well they cant because he will get picked up. So no thats not an option to lose him for nothing.
JBD is still waiver exempt until after the game on Dec 12th, I believe. If I recall, he has 9 games from the date he was placed on the roster and taken of emergency loan status.
Its one thing to have a different opinion (i.e., you can like some of Dorion's moves), but the lectures about being a bad fan or characterizations that people had personality flaws (and/or were dumb) because they discussed some bad moves that were made was really over the top and completely unnecessary. Of course, that won't change even with all that has happened. They'll keep on lecturing and pretending they are the sharpest knives in the drawer.
I never questioned my sanity once. Playing poker for a living at all stakes, you run into so many different characters. If I let dumb opinions affect me, I'd go insane.
Ya, man, you don't need to tell me; I am pretty sure I was the first to call those moronic. The Murray one I could have lived with even though he was awful and Pittsburgh had zero leverage. A good GM would have gotten him for just a third or something, but I won't argue that it's the immediate contract that got me; I could not believe it.
Some posters won't admit they are or were wrong. They will still spin it in a way to make you look like you were or are in the wrong. If you happen to notice, I don't even bother engaging with those types. I admit when I am wrong, and I clarify that something is my opinion when it's my opinion, not fact. I am ok with being wrong; it usually means I learned something in the process, and I don't feel stupid or embarrassed.
Ya you guys get it. At some point I moved on from those debates, and in hindsight, I wish I'd done that a heck of a lot sooner.
That's the wisest strategy. Not worth it.
