Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[dumbdick]

I understand, there are not going to be many/any teams looking for a package of those pieces. They aren't appealing to rebuilding teams.

They will just asak for our 2nd. The list of guys looking for a small 3rd pairing D who doesn't produce offense nor play a defensive role is going to be close to non-existent.

Two of the pieces are essentially top 2 round picks (assuming they flip Kubalik). The other is Brann, who i think adds positive value, but at worst is a neutral value piece to even out the cap.

If you really don't believe rebuilding teams see value in two picks and a young roster player, I guess I'll just leave it at "I strongly disagree".

 

[bert]

Can't make a trade for him, would cripple the team and shorten the window by quite a bit

I saw this one somewhere. Chabot, Batherson, Korpisalo for Draisaitl and one of the goalies.

Would you do it? I think I would.

 

[BondraTime]

Two of the pieces are essentially top 2 round picks (assuming they flip Kubalik). The other is Brann, who i think adds positive value, but at worst is a neutral value piece to even out the cap.

If you really don't believe rebuilding teams see value in two picks and a young roster player, I guess I'll just leave it at "I strongly disagree".

I absolutely think rebuilding teams would have value in picks. I don't think rebuilding teams would have any want for Brannstrom, nor taking on Kubalik.

I think they'd be happier to accept our Bos 1st and 2nd/3rd than Brannstrom, Kubalik and a 1st

Rather than trying to package together items that would be going to rebuilding teams and competing teams together, making separate trades makes a ton more sense.

More than fair, we will agree to disagree, strongly

 

[Larionov]

Colorado needs some depth scoring. Because of injuries they have just over $4M in cap space.

To COL:
Dominik Kubalik

To OTT:
Andrew Cogliano
2025 3rd round pick

They get a guy who can score. We get a vet who makes about league minimum, can kill penalties. we gain about $1.7M in cap space for Pinto when he returns. Take it or leave it Shane "Shoeless Joe" Pinto.

I like this one, largely because if we are going to have to bite the bullet and dump a decent player, I would vastly prefer to send him to the Western Conference. Good point also about Colorado having some cap space to play with, although like others they probably prefer to hold on to it as long as they can. If we came calling with this offer in mid-January, though, with Kubalik's salary over half paid for the year, they would probably have interest...

 

[dumbdick]

I absolutely think rebuilding teams would have value in picks. I don't think rebuilding teams would have any want for Brannstrom, nor taking on Kubalik.

I think they'd be happier to accept our Bos 1st and 2nd/3rd than Brannstrom, Kubalik and a 1st

Rather than trying to package together items that would be going to rebuilding teams and competing teams together, making separate trades makes a ton more sense.

More than fair, we will agree to disagree, strongly

I'm sure they'd prefer we toss in a hand jibber from the owner's wife too.

 

[BondraTime]

I'm sure they'd prefer we toss in a hand jibber from the owner's wife too.

I'm sure that would entice them just as much

 

[2CHAINZ]

I saw this one somewhere. Chabot, Batherson, Korpisalo for Draisaitl and one of the goalies.

Would you do it? I think I would.

I would snap it, so that means oilers would never do it. I am shocked that the two whipping boys on here, Chabot and Batherson, are tossed in this trade. Ottawa fans think they have no value, but somehow now they have the value to acquire Draisaitl.

I can't see Edmonton accepting a trade that doesn't have one of Stutzle, Tkachuk, or Sanderson in it to start. But I'd gladly offer them anything they want, not including one of those three. I'd gladly give them Norris, Batherson, Chabot, and picks; I would assume Pinto/Greig will have to part of it as well for Drai, plus whatever makes the cap work.

If they trade Drai, they aren't going to want futures; they will want skilled players, and I don't see how we could compete with New Jersey, who could offer them a ton of skilled current NHLers, but if Holland values Norris and Batherson highly, he gets pretty much an entire second line from us plus whatever he wants just so we can have the German dynamic duo.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Still can't believe how bad we got ripped off on the DeBrincat trades.

Remember when the usual management sycophants claimed we got as much back as we gave up because the 2024 1st was going to be high because both Detroit and Boston were going to suck and Kubalik was going to score a lot of goals?

Going to turn the 7th + 39th picks into a late 1st two years later and gifted a divisional rival a top line forward. Masterclass by Dorion.

 

[HSF]

Still can't believe how bad we got ripped off on the DeBrincat trades.

Remember when the usual management sycophants claimed we got as much back as we gave up because the 2024 1st was going to be high because both Detroit and Boston were going to suck and Kubalik was going to score a lot of goals?

Going to turn the 7th + 39th picks into a late 1st two years later and gifted a divisional rival a top line forward. Masterclass by Dorion.

The weirdest take by them was Kubalik coming in and replacing DBC

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

A Draisaitl trade would have to take place in the summer, because he will be on the final year of his contract next season. We can't trade core pieces for him, and then be forced to liquidate him at the 2025 TDL for picks/prospects as a rental if he won't re-sign here.

The only reason Edmonton does the trade is if Draisaitl won't re-sign. It would be very similar to the Matthew Tkachuk trade, where his willingness to sign with teams will act as a NTC. Like most players, he will probably want to play in Vegas, Florida, or Dallas. Maybe the draw of playing with Stutzle might get him here, but I doubt it. Most franchise players don't want to come to Canadian teams unless they are born in Toronto and have a chance to live out some masochistic fantasy of failing to win a cup there.

Calgary didn't get full value for Tkachuk. They got a great return given the circumstances, but you have to consider that the Flames gambled on Huberdeau and Weegar. Neither player were consulted, and as we saw with Debrincat, an extension is never guaranteed. Given Chabot's term, I think it's likely that if Ottawa put Chabot up as a main piece in a multi-player deal that he would be the best player available in return for Draisaitl.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I don't think Draisaitl would want to play for another smaller market Canadian team, even if a countryman is on the team.

Even if he did, I don't want to pay top dollar and a crapload of assets for him to play LW, as our center spots are full.

If he's not re-signing in Edmonton he'll demand to go to a top UFA destination or a team that plays in a tax-friendly state down south.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

The weirdest take by them was Kubalik coming in and replacing DBC

They’ve changed their tune now. Now we were crazy to expect anything from him he such good value at 2.5!

 

[bert]

I would snap it, so that means oilers would never do it. I am shocked that the two whipping boys on here, Chabot and Batherson, are tossed in this trade. Ottawa fans think they have no value, but somehow now they have the value to acquire Draisaitl.

I can't see Edmonton accepting a trade that doesn't have one of Stutzle, Tkachuk, or Sanderson in it to start. But I'd gladly offer them anything they want, not including one of those three. I'd gladly give them Norris, Batherson, Chabot, and picks; I would assume Pinto/Greig will have to part of it as well for Drai, plus whatever makes the cap work.

If they trade Drai, they aren't going to want futures; they will want skilled players, and I don't see how we could compete with New Jersey, who could offer them a ton of skilled current NHLers, but if Holland values Norris and Batherson highly, he gets pretty much an entire second line from us plus whatever he wants just so we can have the German dynamic duo.

Draisaitl is only a year and a half away from UFA. While he is an incredible player there is no way ottawa trades one of the big three for him.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

I don't think Draisaitl would want to play for another smaller market Canadian team, even if a countryman is on the team.

Even if he did, I don't want to pay top dollar and a crapload of assets for him to play LW, as our center spots are full.

If he's not re-signing in Edmonton he'll demand to go to a top UFA destination or a team that plays in a tax-friendly state down south.

Draisaitl is only a year and a half away from UFA. While he is an incredible player there is no way ottawa trades one of the big three for him.

I don't think any of Tkachuk Stützle or Sandy would be made available.

If we were to go after him it would something like Norris, Chychrun, Kleven and Boston's first or our 2nd. We clear out a C to make room for Leon.

Draisaitl and Stü down the middle. Edmonton gets a stud D in Chychrun, a replacement #2C in Norris and some decent futures.

^^^^^^^ For the record I don't think we should try to acquire Draisaitl.

 

[GCK]

The weirdest take by them was Kubalik coming in and replacing DBC

I’m going to regret this but….

Debrincat 1st 15 games last year 4 goals
Kubalik 1st 15 games this season 4 goals

Debrincat 1st 18 games this year 11 goals
Kubalik 1st 18 games last year 9 goals.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I don't think any of Tkachuk Stützle or Sandy would be made available.

If we were to go after him it would something like Norris, Chychrun, Kleven and Boston's first or our 2nd. We clear out a C to make room for Leon.

Draisaitl and Stü down the middle. Edmonton gets a stud D in Chychrun, a replacement #2C in Norris and some decent futures.

^^^^^^^ For the record I don't think we should try to acquire Draisaitl.

People need to understand that Draisaitl will demand a massive contract that will (or at least should lessen) his trade value.

I'd guess he'd ask for something like 12-14M per year on his next contract. That will be on a long-term deal into his late 30s.

Like most UFA contracts, he may live up to that for several years of the deal, but would be unlikely to provide 12-14M worth of value consistently through the length of the contract, meaning it's short-term gain for long-term pain.

Would you sign him were he available on July 1st for that kind of money? I'd consider it if we had the cap space and were looking to take the next step to becoming a legit contender, but I certainly wouldn't trade a massive package of futures to do it. Certainly not what you proposed.

A good rule of thumb is that players usually get paid more than they end up being worth on UFA contracts, less than they end up being worth on RFA contracts (due to lack of bargaining power) and far less than they end up being worth on ELCs (no bargaining power).

 

[BondraTime]

I saw this one somewhere. Chabot, Batherson, Korpisalo for Draisaitl and one of the goalies.

Would you do it? I think I would.

Definitely not.

If we’re getting Drai, Norris has to go the other way. Even then, the cap is too problematic to really even entertain it. Can’t have another 13 million tied into what is already a position of strength.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

People need to understand that Draisaitl will demand a massive contract that will (or at least should lessen) his trade value.

I'd guess he'd ask for something like 12-14M per year on his next contract. That will be on a long-term deal into his late 30s.

Like most UFA contracts, he may live up to that for several years of the deal, but would be unlikely to provide 12-14M worth of value consistently through the length of the contract, meaning it's short-term gain for long-term pain.

Would you sign him were he available on July 1st for that kind of money? I'd consider it if we had the cap space and were looking to take the next step to becoming a legit contender, but I certainly wouldn't trade a massive package of futures to do it. Certainly not what you proposed.

A good rule of thumb is that players usually get paid more than they end up being worth on UFA contracts, less than they end up being worth on RFA contracts (due to lack of bargaining power) and far less than they end up being worth on ELCs (no bargaining power).

I wasn't proposing it. In fact I clearly said that I would NOT try to acquire Draisaitl. Contract demands won't line up with our core.

I think that's the kind of package that Edmonton will want, as long as they're keeping McDavid.

Thanks for the insightful tips on UFA contracts though.

 

[JD1]

If we were to sign a guy for 13, I'd want a guy that's at least won something

 

[DueDiligence]

I saw this one somewhere. Chabot, Batherson, Korpisalo for Draisaitl and one of the goalies.

Would you do it? I think I would.

Oilers don't have the cap room to do that trade. Not even close.

 

[Senator Stanley]

The weirdest take by them was Kubalik coming in and replacing DBC

Dorion tried very hard to push this line of utter bullshit. "Only seven goals less" was repeated over and over.

 

[bert]

Oilers don't have the cap room to do that trade. Not even close.

Yeah they'd have to move more money out.

If we were to sign a guy for 13, I'd want a guy that's at least won something

So you wouldn't sign McDavid for 13 either? Draisaitl has some of the best playoff production in NHL history. 31 goals and 77 points in 49 games... Did it on one leg one year.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

The weirdest take by them was Kubalik coming in and replacing DBC

Tierney has more assists than Stone - Dorion

Kubalik will score as much as DBC - Dorion


They eat that shit up for some reason.

 

[Senator Stanley]

Tierney has more assists than Stone - Dorion

Kubalik will score as much as DBC - Dorion


They eat that shit up for some reason.

Did he really say that?

I know he said some stupid things in his time ("proudest day", "we're a team", "trust me, Dadonov does not have no-trade protection", and on and on), but I don't remember the Tierney line. Talk about desperate.

 

[Silencio]

DeBrincat has mostly gone invisible since his hot start, I don’t miss him on this team at all.