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Value aside, who’s everyone’s preference between Roy, Tanev and Marino? Mine would be as listed.
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Joeyjoejoe
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Marino is only 27 and 4.4M per for 3 more years is more than fair for what he brings to the table, so him.
That would be a home run.
I'd be fine with something like Chychrun + 39 for Kaliyev + 21 + something small.
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Roy>Marino>Tanev.
I feel like a lot of people here aren't taking Tanev's age and injury history into account.
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Agreed. Tanev worries me alot. Defensive defensemen rarely age well. Especially injury prone defensive defensemen.
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Senator Stanley
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To me, that's below their asking price of a 1st and a 2nd. No way am I valuing Kaliyev as a 2nd.
Gil Gunderson
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Roy, but he’s also the least realstic out of the three I think.
We got Chychrun for 12th overall and a 2nd (I think?) with 2.5 years left on his deal. 21st and Kaliyev for 1 ywar of Chychrun is pretty good value if we’re basing it off that.
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Senator Stanley
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I just don't value Kaliyev. To me, he's a guy you take a flyer on knowing you might be waiving him within the year. He doesn't move the needle for me in a Chychrun package.
Gil Gunderson
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That’s fine, but just don’t expect to get back what we traded to Arizona.
Senator Stanley
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Neither do I.
We traded 12 and two seconds to Arizona and we won't get that back. But when I look at 21+Kaliyev, I would equate that to 21+a 3rd/4th, and I'm just saying that that is less than we're supposedly asking for.
Gil Gunderson
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Nobody gets what they asked for. Boston asked us for Chychrun+25th+… for Ullmark at the deadline.
Tanev is exactly the dman we need, moreso than any of them. Marino the least. Roy is the middle ground.
The thing with Tanev is he’s going to need to slide to the third pairing at some point in his contract. So if you can develop a young top 4 RD (big if), he can probably still be effective as a vet lower down the line-up as he ages. I think he could really help Chabot/Sanderson in the meantime.
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Even if they move Chychrun to accommodate a RD acquisition, they will only have enough cap for a middle six forward for about $3 m. If they move another contract out in addition to Chychrun, they’d have more cap to work with of course.
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Why do folks want to jettison JBD? I get that he’s not a spectacular solution to the d corps woes, but I think he's started to look fairly steady in a limited role. He’s a RHD who’s cheap and under team control. The minute we give him away we’re looking for something just like him.
Package him up for an improvement in RHD? Sure, but I don’t understand looking for a mid round pick for this guy just to get rid of him. It’s like a less idiotic ‘get rid of deMelo for a third so we can spend 3 years looking for an rhd that will cost more than a third’ move imo.
Package him up for an improvement in RHD? Sure, but I don’t understand looking for a mid round pick for this guy just to get rid of him. It’s like a less idiotic ‘get rid of deMelo for a third so we can spend 3 years looking for an rhd that will cost more than a third’ move imo.
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Senator Stanley
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Sometimes teams get what they ask for.
Regardless, all I said was that 21+Kaliyev is less than the asking price, in my opinion.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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Sounds like the org wants to move him, so probably just moving along under that assumption.
I agree.
If we are trading/walking from Bran and we are buying out Hamonic, is there really a need to move JBD as well To me, he improved nicely over the course of the season and while I don't think there is tremendous potential still in his game and I definitely think he has another level, where he can be a very reliable 3rd pairing RHD and can bump up to play in the top 4 with injuries. At $805k, you are not going to find a better option for what he brings.
If a guy like De Haan is willing to take league minimum to be a #7 D here, he's probably a better option.
I think maybe the Sens want an experienced #7, and JBD definitely shouldn’t be in our top 6.
I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that Chabot (assuming he’s still here), Sanderson, Zub and Kleven have a combined 0 playoff games experience. Plus it avoids a scenario where you’re rolling out a Kleven - JBD pairing. I’d be okay with keeping him as I actually think he can be a legit bottom pairing guy eventually, but I don’t think it matters too much either way.
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There were very few everyday defensemen in the league last year that were worse than Jacob Bernard-Docker - Jarred Tinordi, Travis Hamonic, Travis Dermott, a few others. He's in that tier of really awful players, though.
The team gets dreadful on-ice results when he's playing, and it's not even like he has high upside. There are no puck skills here to speak of, and doesn't have the feet or the length or the IQ or the nastiness to be a quality defender. He's just pure filler. If he weren't a 1st round pick he'd probably be sitting somewhere around a dozen games played just like Max Guenette.
Staios and Poulin have made no secret of their belief that the support players on this team can't be guys in their mid-20's that aren't very good/are trying to find their own way in the league. That's why Kastelic is gone, and it's why guys like Bernard-Docker, Brannstrom and Joseph probably aren't far behind.
There are plenty of decent vets that you can plug-in as a 6/7.
The team gets dreadful on-ice results when he's playing, and it's not even like he has high upside. There are no puck skills here to speak of, and doesn't have the feet or the length or the IQ or the nastiness to be a quality defender. He's just pure filler. If he weren't a 1st round pick he'd probably be sitting somewhere around a dozen games played just like Max Guenette.
Staios and Poulin have made no secret of their belief that the support players on this team can't be guys in their mid-20's that aren't very good/are trying to find their own way in the league. That's why Kastelic is gone, and it's why guys like Bernard-Docker, Brannstrom and Joseph probably aren't far behind.
There are plenty of decent vets that you can plug-in as a 6/7.
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