Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Ott: McDavid
Edm: Brady, Chabot, 2024 lottery pick

Brady+Stutzle for McDavid makes more sense. Edmonton needs a 1C if McDavid is traded since Draisaitl prefers wing.

Stutzle is cost controlled for 7 seasons after this one. There is also the German connection with Draistaitl, which might pay off next year when Draisaitl will be up for a new contract and will be upset that:
1) He plays for the Oilers,
2) The Oilers traded away McDavid.

McDavid is only signed for 2 more seasons, and I highly doubt he will make the same mistake he did the first time. He will either walk, or he will take limited term with Edmonton so that he can maintain control over his career. Which is probably what he wishes he did the first time around when he gave them 8 years.

In some demented universe where McDavid will waive his NMC to come to Ottawa, there is no way that the Oilers will get a better return for 2.5 years of McDavid than 7.5 years of Stutzle and 4.5 years of Tkachuk.

Even in terms of futures, if Draisaitl doesn't re-sign with them after trading McDavid, Stutzle and Tkachuk do not have trade protection. Tkachuk's NMC kicks in July 1st 2025. The Oilers could flip both, and because of the dynamic with McDavid's limited term and his NMC, they probably get more in terms of picks and prospects for Tkachuk and Stutzle than they would for McDavid.

If McDavid is available this season, he's going somewhere like Florida, Vegas, etc. Those are the type of teams a superstar would waive for, and Vegas could just put half their roster on LTIR and deal with the actual cap in the offseason. Let's just hope Edmonton doesn't lie about the teams on McDavid's NMC!

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Spoiler alert ahead:


-Mathieu Joseph (2.95M x 3Y)
-Erik Brannstrom (2M x 2Y, LTIR Eligible)
Total Cap Out: 4.95M




-Cody Ceci (3.25M x 2Y)
-Warren Foegele (2.75M x 1Y, 1.05M retained)
Total Cap Out: 4.95M

If I made an error with the calculations, just assume Edmonton retains the difference on Foegele to make it cap in/cap out.

Joseph has the speed to play with McDavid as a complimentary winger. Ceci comes in to stabilize our defense as a shutdown defender who can play 26 minutes a night. Brannstrom and Foegele are moving parts to make the trade work, hopefully Brannstrom is ready to go sooner rather than later and gets an audition with Edmonton.

Joseph was a Dorion guy, so from a psychological standpoint this is a passive aggressive way to stick it to Dorion. Also, in all the pictures I see of Cody Ceci at the draft, it is Tim Murray proudly standing beside him, I also think I can faintly make out a ghost behind them that looks like Guy Boucher, but Pierre Dorion is nowhere to be seen.

I know it's not the trade that you guys want, but it's the trade that you guys need.

 

[ottawagm]

No to both of those Edm trades. Two years of McDavid isn't going to get us anywhere before he leaves for UFA.

Cody Ceci brain farts are exactly the problems we have today. We need someone better.

We need a new coaching staff. McDavid isn't carrying his coaching staff in Edm today and he wouldn't carry our team either, until we get new coaching.

I'd much rather try to sign Draisaitl when he's a UFA and move Chabot somewhere else for a RHD.

 

[scout20]

Trade Kubalik & a 2nd rd pick to the sharks for Duclair 50% retained. I think Duclair is a more of a complete player then Kubalik.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Trade Kubalik & a 2nd rd pick to the sharks for Duclair 50% retained. I think Duclair is a more of a complete player then Kubalik.

Duclair is not worth a 2nd round pick. He is a pending UFA and is coming off of injuries.

Duclair and Kubalik would be a fair change of scenery type swap in a bubble (doesn't work cap wise for Ottawa). I don't think it would be a very productive trade though. It doesn't seem like Duclair is back to his old self, but that might be the fact that he is on an ECHL team.

 

[ottawagm]

Can anything be made around:

Brannstrom 2M + Kubalik 2.5M -> Peeke 2.75M + Roslovic @50% 2M

 

[Laphroaig]

Can anything be made around:

Brannstrom 2M + Kubalik 2.5M -> Peeke 2.75M + Roslovic @50% 2M

Considering that Peeke is better than Brannstrom and Roslovic is better than Kubalik this is highly unlikely even without Columbus retaining 50% on Roslovic.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Considering that Peeke is better than Brannstrom and Roslovic is better than Kubalik this is highly unlikely even without Columbus retaining 50% on Roslovic.

I think Columbus would do this in a second.

Peeke is coming off a bad season. He has been scratched all year. He has 3 years remaining at 2.75M. They signed the contract before his down 22-23 season, and they no longer need him. Brannstrom and Kubalik have no real value, but getting out of the final 2 years of the Peeke contract would be very valuable to them. I would do it in their shoes.

I doubt they keep Roslovic after this season. They have always been up and down on him. He's another player in the Brannstrom/Kubalik wheelhouse who probably doesn't have a lot of value right now. His contract is up at the end of the season, so retention would just be to equalize the cap I assume.

I would only take Peeke if Columbus retains or takes back a contract, maybe Forsberg. Sogaard is probably ready to come up, but it may not be a great idea to put him behind a team that is playing a loose as this one.

Brannstrom/Kubalik for Peeke would have made sense back when signing Pinto was on the table. Now, it's not worth it due to the risk of Peeke's term and his play last year.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Spoiler alert ahead:


-Mathieu Joseph (2.95M x 3Y)
-Erik Brannstrom (2M x 2Y, LTIR Eligible)
Total Cap Out: 4.95M




-Cody Ceci (3.25M x 2Y)
-Warren Foegele (2.75M x 1Y, 1.05M retained)
Total Cap Out: 4.95M

If I made an error with the calculations, just assume Edmonton retains the difference on Foegele to make it cap in/cap out.

Joseph has the speed to play with McDavid as a complimentary winger. Ceci comes in to stabilize our defense as a shutdown defender who can play 26 minutes a night. Brannstrom and Foegele are moving parts to make the trade work, hopefully Brannstrom is ready to go sooner rather than later and gets an audition with Edmonton.

Joseph was a Dorion guy, so from a psychological standpoint this is a passive aggressive way to stick it to Dorion. Also, in all the pictures I see of Cody Ceci at the draft, it is Tim Murray proudly standing beside him, I also think I can faintly make out a ghost behind them that looks like Guy Boucher, but Pierre Dorion is nowhere to be seen.

I know it's not the trade that you guys want, but it's the trade that you guys need.

This isn’t funny

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

This isn’t funny

 

[DrEasy]

Halloween was a week ago, dude!

 

[Que]

Jimmy, Hotsam, Boucher for McDavid

 

[milkbag]

Spoiler alert ahead:


-Mathieu Joseph (2.95M x 3Y)
-Erik Brannstrom (2M x 2Y, LTIR Eligible)
Total Cap Out: 4.95M




-Cody Ceci (3.25M x 2Y)
-Warren Foegele (2.75M x 1Y, 1.05M retained)
Total Cap Out: 4.95M

If I made an error with the calculations, just assume Edmonton retains the difference on Foegele to make it cap in/cap out.

Joseph has the speed to play with McDavid as a complimentary winger. Ceci comes in to stabilize our defense as a shutdown defender who can play 26 minutes a night. Brannstrom and Foegele are moving parts to make the trade work, hopefully Brannstrom is ready to go sooner rather than later and gets an audition with Edmonton.

Joseph was a Dorion guy, so from a psychological standpoint this is a passive aggressive way to stick it to Dorion. Also, in all the pictures I see of Cody Ceci at the draft, it is Tim Murray proudly standing beside him, I also think I can faintly make out a ghost behind them that looks like Guy Boucher, but Pierre Dorion is nowhere to be seen.

I know it's not the trade that you guys want, but it's the trade that you guys need.

This is how hard I'm forcing out the "F" when I say "FFFFFFf*** no" to this trade, or ever bringing Ceci back

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I'd rather suck without Ceci than with Ceci. Safe to say his presence won't be changing whether or not we suck, so he'd just be along for the ride.

 

[SensontheRush]

Spoiler alert ahead:


-Mathieu Joseph (2.95M x 3Y)
-Erik Brannstrom (2M x 2Y, LTIR Eligible)
Total Cap Out: 4.95M




-Cody Ceci (3.25M x 2Y)
-Warren Foegele (2.75M x 1Y, 1.05M retained)
Total Cap Out: 4.95M

If I made an error with the calculations, just assume Edmonton retains the difference on Foegele to make it cap in/cap out.

Joseph has the speed to play with McDavid as a complimentary winger. Ceci comes in to stabilize our defense as a shutdown defender who can play 26 minutes a night. Brannstrom and Foegele are moving parts to make the trade work, hopefully Brannstrom is ready to go sooner rather than later and gets an audition with Edmonton.

Joseph was a Dorion guy, so from a psychological standpoint this is a passive aggressive way to stick it to Dorion. Also, in all the pictures I see of Cody Ceci at the draft, it is Tim Murray proudly standing beside him, I also think I can faintly make out a ghost behind them that looks like Guy Boucher, but Pierre Dorion is nowhere to be seen.

I know it's not the trade that you guys want, but it's the trade that you guys need.

Why are we trading out two better players for two worse players?

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Jimmy, Hotsam, Boucher for McDavid

I highly doubt McDavid would waive to come here. If they would, we would be a good trade partner because they could build a deal around Stutzle. Sens have a very weak group of picks and prospects, which makes it difficult to include futures in any deal.

If McDavid is traded in the 2024 offseason, he will be at the awkward point where he doesn't have enough term to be seen as a long-term addition, but he also cannot sign an extension for another year. His NMC also means that a team who acquires him can't project that they will for sure be able to recoup their assets by trading him in a year if it doesn't work out. Because of this, I don't think he will get the mythical return that everybody expects if he is traded any time before the last year of his contract. His NMC means he can limit the market.

While Stutzle is many tiers below McDavid, when you take into consideration the additional 7 years of team control after this season, along with the German National Team connections that could help Draisaitl forgive the loss of McDavid, I don't think many teams would be able to offer a more enticing piece in a deal for only 2 years of McDavid.

Look at it this way, if you give up Stutzle for McDavid, you're possibly setting up a situation where 2 years from now both players could be gone, and the team may not have been able to recoup assets on McDavid at the 2026 TDL due to his NMC. It would be an easy trade to make when you consider McDavid's value on and off the ice, but it's not as lopsided as people make it out to be when they say McDavid would command a King's Ransom.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I'd rather suck without Ceci than with Ceci. Safe to say his presence won't be changing whether or not we suck, so he'd just be along for the ride.

If Brannstrom is healthy, I wouldn't trade him in the deal for Ceci.

Maybe alter the trade so that it is Joseph for Ceci 1-4-1, with a Kubalik/Foegele swap baked in so that Edmonton can retain on Foegele to offset the 255k more of cap required to swap Ceci and Joseph. They won't want to retain on Ceci because he has term, Foegele would be an expiring contract. Moving out Kubalik also sends a message that the Dorion era is over. I think a lot of fans still expect him back, so you really need to move out his big acquisition to show them to move on.

Sanderson-Ceci (26 minute a night shutdown line)
Chabot-Chychrun-Zub (Not that we'd play 3D, but alternate these three as the second pairing)
Brannstrom or Hamonic (Hamonic is less needed because we have Ceci to carry the load as our prime shutdown guy)

Ceci is the final piece that puts this defense over the top. Sanderson is better than Phaneuf, and Ceci playing with Phaneuf got us to one goal away from the Stanley Cup final. I did the calculations and the meth checks out. Acquiring Ceci makes us a cup contender.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Why are we trading out two better players for two worse players?

Brannstrom probably won't be qualified. At the time of that post, it wasn't known that he was projected to be back soon. I assumed he would be on LTIR for a while, and the Senators need defensemen now. He was in there for cap purposes.

Ceci in his peak non-meme form is a more valuable player than Joseph. He hasn't been bad the past few years. We need a right hand D with size who can play a shutdown role with Sanderson more than we need Joseph. We need to move out equivalent short term cap to acquire Ceci.

The other option would be something like Kubalik+Brannstrom for Ceci and a UFA forward with the cap equalized, but I highly doubt Edmonton does that unless we throw in a draft pick. We don't really have draft picks to drop. Joseph for Ceci is a perfectly acceptable trade for two floundering teams to make where they can make it appear they are trying to resolve the problem and shake up the roster without actually moving out a star.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

If Brannstrom is healthy, I wouldn't trade him in the deal for Ceci.

Maybe alter the trade so that it is Joseph for Ceci 1-4-1, with a Kubalik/Foegele swap baked in so that Edmonton can retain on Foegele to offset the 255k more of cap required to swap Ceci and Joseph. They won't want to retain on Ceci because he has term, Foegele would be an expiring contract. Moving out Kubalik also sends a message that the Dorion era is over. I think a lot of fans still expect him back, so you really need to move out his big acquisition to show them to move on.

Sanderson-Ceci (26 minute a night shutdown line)
Chabot-Chychrun-Zub (Not that we'd play 3D, but alternate these three as the second pairing)
Brannstrom or Hamonic (Hamonic is less needed because we have Ceci to carry the load as our prime shutdown guy)

Ceci is the final piece that puts this defense over the top. Sanderson is better than Phaneuf, and Ceci playing with Phaneuf got us to one goal away from the Stanley Cup final. I did the calculations and the meth checks out. Acquiring Ceci makes us a cup contender.

The meth does check out haha

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

If Brannstrom is healthy, I wouldn't trade him in the deal for Ceci.

Maybe alter the trade so that it is Joseph for Ceci 1-4-1, with a Kubalik/Foegele swap baked in so that Edmonton can retain on Foegele to offset the 255k more of cap required to swap Ceci and Joseph. They won't want to retain on Ceci because he has term, Foegele would be an expiring contract. Moving out Kubalik also sends a message that the Dorion era is over. I think a lot of fans still expect him back, so you really need to move out his big acquisition to show them to move on.

Sanderson-Ceci (26 minute a night shutdown line)
Chabot-Chychrun-Zub (Not that we'd play 3D, but alternate these three as the second pairing)
Brannstrom or Hamonic (Hamonic is less needed because we have Ceci to carry the load as our prime shutdown guy)

Ceci is the final piece that puts this defense over the top. Sanderson is better than Phaneuf, and Ceci playing with Phaneuf got us to one goal away from the Stanley Cup final. I did the calculations and the meth checks out. Acquiring Ceci makes us a cup contender.

Ya you lost me. I don't even want to entertain the idea enough to garner a response. No thank you on Ceci in general.

The meth does check out haha

Lol, or this.

 

[2CHAINZ]

Ceci is the final piece that puts this defense over the top.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Kubalik for either Foegele or McLeod?

 

[2CHAINZ]

Kubalik for either Foegele or McLeod?

I would rather keep Kubalik and flip him at the deadline for a pick if we are out of it; same with Tarasenko (unless Tarasenko wants to sign an extension)

 

[odhiambo]

I like the idea of getting Peeke. He's a RHD shot-blocking machine that needs a change of scenery.

The other guy I would look into is Will Borgen from Seattle. Solid bottom pair RHD. Perhaps Brannstrom for Borgen?

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Kubalik for either Foegele or McLeod?

Kubalik is not working here, so I would be fine with flipping him for any other comparable top 9 player who is a pending UFA and is also struggling. The only issue with Foegele is that EDM may not want to burn a retention spot on a minor trade, and even the 250k difference between the two would be difficult to make work with Ottawa's mismanaged cap once Chabot comes off LTIR.

I don't think Kubalik will have much value at the TDL. He might be worth a 4th round pick if we retain half his salary.

Give the guy who is in a contract year a chance to score 20 goals on a different team in the West, because it clearly isn't going to happen here.

I like the idea of getting Peeke. He's a RHD shot-blocking machine that needs a change of scenery.

The other guy I would look into is Will Borgen from Seattle. Solid bottom pair RHD. Perhaps Brannstrom for Borgen?

The good version of Peeke is the kind of player Ottawa needs, but the problem is he comes with risk and has money+term.

Forsberg or Joseph need to go to Columbus to make it work, or Columbus needs to retain, which they likely won't want to do. I doubt most people want to see the Senators trade Joseph with how he is playing.