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GCK said:
Batherson + Brannstrom for Andersson?
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I’d do it.
I’d add one of the 1st this year as well.

Rolling this D until Andersson needs his new contract would make me extraordinarily happy.
THIS would have to be the best D in the league, and it’s actually doable salary wise.
IMO you then move Chabot when Andersson’s contract needs to be renewed.

Chychrun Andersson
Sanderson Zub
Chabot Kleven
 
ottawagm said:
I just think we're short 3-4 core players for a good cup team with no one great in the pipeline.

Giroux/Tarasenko/Kubalik/Joseph etc are filler players who won't be here.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - ???
??? - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - ???
??? - ??? - ???
Kelly

Sanderson - Zub
Chychrun - ???
Chabot - ???

Who do we have to fill in those spots long term from the minors? All of the teams around us are going to have deeper teams with all of the picks they have coming up.

I'd listen if anyone called with a good offer for Batherson, Chabot, etc.
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Sorry but why is Kelly listed?
 
GCK said:
Batherson + Brannstrom for Andersson?
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I would do it, but Batherson has neutral or negative value at this point. He went from being on one of the best contracts in the league after his great 2022 season, to being another one of those players who isn't bad like a traditional David Clarkson type contract, but might be difficult to move because of their term and inconsistent play.

Reilly Smith with 2 years left going for a 3rd is a good reality-check with Batherson.

Brannstrom doesn't make sense in the trade, because I doubt Calgary would want him, and he is apparently hurt for a while. Brannstrom would only make sense in a Batherson for Weegar type swap, because they need someone in there to help equalize the cap in/out. Batherson and Andersson already have close to offsetting cap hits.

I think Batherson is the next Zibanejad in that he will probably be traded after being so up and down here, and he will put it together somewhere else. With that said, I don't think on his own he currently has the kind of value needed to get a top pairing RHD on a great contract. I guess it is possible Calgary or any individual team could really like Batherson, but I think it is more likely the trade would be like sure we will take Batherson to make the cap work, but you still have to give us a 1st++.
 
Wondercarrot said:
I’d do it.
I’d add one of the 1st this year as well.

Rolling this D until Andersson needs his new contract would make me extraordinarily happy.
THIS would have to be the best D in the league, and it’s actually doable salary wise.
IMO you then move Chabot when Andersson’s contract needs to be renewed.

Chychrun Andersson
Sanderson Zub
Chabot Kleven
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need to get chabot off the team in this situation.

8m is like 2 great top 9 forwards.
 
Sens of Anarchy said:
I thought of that as well. Sens are still in Cap Hell as soon as Chabot comes back. Adding another contract like Kessel could just end up posing another problem at that time.
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I think he'd do a league minimum. But yeah, regardless of the cap, still in trouble.
 
SpezDispenser said:
You have to be downright dumb to trade Batherson unless the haul is spectacular. Sorry, but I've seen what he can do. No thanks.
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The context is getting a borderline #1 RHD.

I agree about Batherson, but I also think he is someone who likely benefits most from a change of scenery because he is not getting top offensive minutes here. He is also one of the few significant pieces up front that might actually be moveable in a hockey trade if the new management feels they need to make major surgery on the roster without a rebuild.

Even if that just means moving him out for a minimal return but recouping his cap to use on a different major piece that changes the complexion of the team and sends a message about the stagnation of the lineup.

They either cannot or won't trade Tkachuk, Sanderson, Stutzle, or Giroux. I think Norris is unlikely to be moved because of the importance of center depth, and his ties to Tkachuk. Zub is the only RHD in the top 4.

Unless the plan is that this team is perfect and they are only going to cycle out 3rd or 4th liners, the only significant players they could possibly move in a re-tool would be Chabot, Chychrun, or Batherson.
 
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frightenedinmatenum2 said:
The context is getting a borderline #1 RHD.

I agree about Batherson, but I also think he is someone who likely benefits most from a change of scenery because he is not getting top offensive minutes here. He is also one of the few significant pieces up front that might actually be moveable in a hockey trade if the new management feels they need to make major surgery on the roster without a rebuild.

Even if that just means moving him out for a minimal return but recouping his cap to use on a different major piece that changes the complexion of the team and sends a message about the stagnation of the lineup.

They either cannot or won't trade Tkachuk, Sanderson, Stutzle, or Giroux. I think Norris is unlikely to be moved because of the importance of center depth, and his ties to Tkachuk. Zub is the only RHD in the top 4.

Unless the plan is that this team is perfect and they are only going to cycle out 3rd or 4th liners, the only significant players they could possibly move in a re-tool would be Chabot, Chychrun, or Batherson.
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If you have to do it, you do it for a top pair RD, but then one of the 4 excellent Dmen are redundant.

I personally think that kind of trade is not gonna happen anytime soon. Instead, it's time to split the top line up and get the Tkachuk-norris-batherson line back together.

Funnily, the only thing that makes the top 9 not perfect to me personally is the fact that Tarasenko is a rw. Otherwise, that top 9 - especially with Pinto and now Greig - is f***ing dynamite and has no business looking like shit.

I think, hence the coach must go idea.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
I would do it, but Batherson has neutral or negative value at this point. He went from being on one of the best contracts in the league after his great 2022 season, to being another one of those players who isn't bad like a traditional David Clarkson type contract, but might be difficult to move because of their term and inconsistent play.

Reilly Smith with 2 years left going for a 3rd is a good reality-check with Batherson.

Brannstrom doesn't make sense in the trade, because I doubt Calgary would want him, and he is apparently hurt for a while. Brannstrom would only make sense in a Batherson for Weegar type swap, because they need someone in there to help equalize the cap in/out. Batherson and Andersson already have close to offsetting cap hits.

I think Batherson is the next Zibanejad in that he will probably be traded after being so up and down here, and he will put it together somewhere else. With that said, I don't think on his own he currently has the kind of value needed to get a top pairing RHD on a great contract. I guess it is possible Calgary or any individual team could really like Batherson, but I think it is more likely the trade would be like sure we will take Batherson to make the cap work, but you still have to give us a 1st++.
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Calgary has scored 22 goals in 10 games, they need offence. Their left side D is weak. Batherson is not a cap dump.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
I would do it, but Batherson has neutral or negative value at this point. He went from being on one of the best contracts in the league after his great 2022 season, to being another one of those players who isn't bad like a traditional David Clarkson type contract, but might be difficult to move because of their term and inconsistent play.

Reilly Smith with 2 years left going for a 3rd is a good reality-check with Batherson.

Brannstrom doesn't make sense in the trade, because I doubt Calgary would want him, and he is apparently hurt for a while. Brannstrom would only make sense in a Batherson for Weegar type swap, because they need someone in there to help equalize the cap in/out. Batherson and Andersson already have close to offsetting cap hits.

I think Batherson is the next Zibanejad in that he will probably be traded after being so up and down here, and he will put it together somewhere else. With that said, I don't think on his own he currently has the kind of value needed to get a top pairing RHD on a great contract. I guess it is possible Calgary or any individual team could really like Batherson, but I think it is more likely the trade would be like sure we will take Batherson to make the cap work, but you still have to give us a 1st++.
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A second line forward obviously doesn’t have the same value as a top pair D but the idea that Batherson has negative value is unhinged. His production for his contract value is a great deal.

The guy is becoming a major whipping boy.
 
Bileur said:
A second line forward obviously doesn’t have the same value as a top pair D but the idea that Batherson has negative value is unhinged. His production for his contract value is a great deal.

The guy is becoming a major whipping boy.
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Probably because Batherson is a very replaceable player. I'd much rather a top 4 RH D and a good 3rd liner than Batherson. He doesn't play winning hockey. He's so damn lazy and piss poor defensively. And he doesn't shoot the puck.
 
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Daffy said:
Probably because Batherson is a very replaceable player. I'd much rather a top 4 RH D and a good 3rd liner than Batherson. He doesn't play winning hockey. He's so damn lazy and piss poor defensively. And he doesn't shoot the puck.
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I’ve got no disagreements with what you’re presenting but saying he has negative value is plain wrong.

On the playmaking part, I think he’s a little like Mark Stone.

Natural inclination is playmaker, but if you assign him the role of shooter he changes his mentality. Like he and Stone did at the WJC.

The sens have a lot of shoot first centres though, so playing with Norris or Pinto, Bath will likely always be a playmaker. I’d like to see how his style changes with Greig.
 
Bileur said:
I’ve got no disagreements with what you’re presenting but saying he has negative value is plain wrong.

On the playmaking part, I think he’s a little like Mark Stone.

Natural inclination is playmaker, but if you assign him the role of shooter he changes his mentality. Like he and Stone did at the WJC.

The sens have a lot of shoot first centres though, so playing with Norris or Pinto, Bath will likely always be a playmaker. I’d like to see how his style changes with Greig.
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He definitely doesn't have negative value. I'd like to see how he does with a new coach. But I'm not opposed to making a hockey trade with him as the center piece. A shake up could be a good thing for this team.
 
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Shaky twitter source said we almost had a deal with the sharks

And GM offered dj to step down but still remain with org
 
GCK said:
Batherson + Brannstrom for Andersson?
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Then we have a massive hole in the top 9 and the P.p. Im no massiv ebatherson fan tho.

Is there a corresponding trade to ship out a d man. Especially when they’re all healthy?
 
Daffy said:
Probably because Batherson is a very replaceable player. I'd much rather a top 4 RH D and a good 3rd liner than Batherson. He doesn't play winning hockey. He's so damn lazy and piss poor defensively. And he doesn't shoot the puck.
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And for a guy that is 6'3 210 pounds he is scared to get hit and he doesn't hit very often.
 
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