Hakanpaa is a coming UFA. Might be looking at him for the summer. We should be looking to add a physical RHD.
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Branny and Kubalik for Zadorov. No idea why Calgary does that but it would be easily digestible from our side.
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Chabot for Weegar.
1.75M in cap savings.
Opportunity for new GM to put a stamp on the team.
NTC kicks in for Chabby in a year.
Less Injuries.
Bolsters Right Side.
More local ties.
Calgary gets a lil younger Ottawa gets a lil more vet presence.
1.75M in cap savings.
Opportunity for new GM to put a stamp on the team.
NTC kicks in for Chabby in a year.
Less Injuries.
Bolsters Right Side.
More local ties.
Calgary gets a lil younger Ottawa gets a lil more vet presence.
frightenedinmatenum2
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Batherson, Brannstrom, Forsberg, as a base for Weegar, Vladar, and a 7 figure bottom 6 forward. Then you add picks and prospects to that base of Bath/Bran/Forsberg. I won't say what picks or prospects I think make sense, because the actual base and fit of the trade is more important than what futures would be included. I think the Senators obviously add though.
Greig breaking out has given the Senators an additional top 9 forward, so when Pinto comes back it will help address any depth issues from losing Batherson. I am attached to Batherson as a player who has come up in our system, but it has become abundantly clear that he is not going to get back to where he was 2 years ago with the kind of talent in front of him on this team. Batherson needs a change of scenery.
Nobody is taking Weegar without a long contract going back to Calgary. Doesn't matter if he is really good. It is just the reality of making trades right now. If they dump Weegar without term coming back to them, it's going to be for a low return. Weegar also has a NTC, so in this scenario we assume he is going full Debrincat and wants to play either at home in Ottawa, or for one of the 4-5 teams that everybody wants to play for that have no way to add him. I suspect he may not waive for Ottawa because most players do not want to play in Canada, he probably only extended in Calgary because they gave him the absolutely top end of his market value in a cap environment that creates a lot of risk for players who choose to play out their seasons when they already have a big contract on the table (see Klingberg).
That creates a situation where Chabot, Chychrun, and Sanderson can play most (but not all) of their shifts on their natural sides. They also can lower Chabot's minutes and give him an actual permanent RHD partner. Instead of trading Chabot for Weegar, it gives Chabot half a season where his minutes can be managed more optimally and he can be set up to succeed. That way, if they do have to trade Chabot in the summer they will trade him from a position of strength where they get maximum value. They also have the option to keep Chabot since Batherson moving out mostly covered Weegar's cap that came in.
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I like it for the players they are today. I worry a little bit about the back end of that contract though. Tough call.
I'd do that in a second.
Normally I would agree with this but Murphy is our head pro scout, Staios came from the Oilers so he knows the Flames well and we were rumoured to be interested in D as little as 48 hours ago according to Garrioch.
Wouldn't surprise me to see them push for a 2 year re-tool before starting to push in 2026, if this year goes south.
There are a lot of good D in the top half of this year's draft.
There are a lot of good D in the top half of this year's draft.
frightenedinmatenum2
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The window is the next 4-5 seasons.
A lot of the core has sat through a long and hard rebuild. It would be difficult to convince the players to stay and wait another 2-3 years (in a best case scenario) while they trade off veterans for future assets and restock the cupboards.
I assume that is what you are alluding to when you say re-tool and suggest there are good players at the top of the draft.
I could see them making trades at the deadline and offseason with the intention of improving the roster to win now. They might move out veterans or core players, but it wouldn't be to make the team better in 3-5 years. It would be to gain assets and open up room to acquire players who they think will be a better fit right now. An example would be the trade that gets suggested a lot in this thread, Chabot for Weegar.
Ultimately, the window to win is now because they are entering the time period where most of the core is cost controlled, and the secondary players (Pinto, Greig, etc) will be underpriced due to being on ELCs/RFA bridge deals. 2028 is the big turning point, because Tkachuk and Chabot are both UFAs. Zub is a UFA the year before that. Giroux is probably hanging it up around that time. Greig and Pinto will be done or mostly done their cheaper bridge deals, and if Batherson ever puts it together again and plays like a star, he will probably be priced out of Ottawa around that time or re-signed on a much bigger contract.
The short of it is that they have the next 4 or so years where everybody except for Chychrun is either cost controlled or an ELC/RFA. That's the time to strike. They can't waste 2-3 years making trades that won't pay off right away.
I just think we're short 3-4 core players for a good cup team with no one great in the pipeline.
Giroux/Tarasenko/Kubalik/Joseph etc are filler players who won't be here.
Tkachuk - Stutzle - ???
??? - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - ???
??? - ??? - ???
Kelly
Sanderson - Zub
Chychrun - ???
Chabot - ???
Who do we have to fill in those spots long term from the minors? All of the teams around us are going to have deeper teams with all of the picks they have coming up.
I'd listen if anyone called with a good offer for Batherson, Chabot, etc.
Giroux/Tarasenko/Kubalik/Joseph etc are filler players who won't be here.
Tkachuk - Stutzle - ???
??? - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - ???
??? - ??? - ???
Kelly
Sanderson - Zub
Chychrun - ???
Chabot - ???
Who do we have to fill in those spots long term from the minors? All of the teams around us are going to have deeper teams with all of the picks they have coming up.
I'd listen if anyone called with a good offer for Batherson, Chabot, etc.
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In the pipeline we have ostapchuk, jarventie, Boucher, Reinhardt and Crookshank as the closest forward candidates. Could work out.
On D we have guenette and a few young guys too early to guess on like Donovan, Stanley, andonovski, nordberg, wallberg.
So before trades or future signings I’d pencil it in something like….,
Tkachuk - Stutzle - Crookshank
Greig - Norris - Batherson
Reinhardt - Pinto - Jarventie
Smejkal - Ostapchuk - Boucher
Kelly
Sanderson - Zub
Chychrun - Donovan/Guenette
Chabot - Wallberg/Nordberg
Stanley/Andonovski
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Big Muddy
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Korchinski might have been nice. Pierre was thinking short term unfortunately.
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That reminds me now I was on a flight back from Chicago on Monday and the guy in front of me at customs was a Sens scout who said he had been in Dallas scouting players. Said it didn’t go well though for what it’s worth.
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If we are trying to pry a D out of Calgary I want Andersson.
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I'm not sure there is much that could be done via a trade, especially with how Dorion left us cap f***ed
We don't need another top 4 D to be competitive. You need better structure
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Agree but we are second last in the conference right now so not at all sniffing a PO spot let alone making some noise.
Were not going to magically turn into a good team.
Takes a long time.
Far far from a Cup team.
Bro hasn't registered a point since traded away from Ottawa lol..
Maybe he should have kept his intentions to himself and given Ottawa a chance to retain him. Some players too easily to throw away a good situation.
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frightenedinmatenum2
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I don't disagree, but I don't think something as drastic as a rebuild should happen before they try a new coach and have at least one offseason under a new GM who can try to put their spin on this core. There isn't a lot that can be done because there are so many big contracts.
Let's say we finish bottom 10 again this season. That will be six straight seasons of that for Brady, even. more for Chabot. While Chychrun has ties to the area, he went through that for a similar amount of time in Arizona. Is he going to want to extend to sit through a rebuild? No player who has already wasted a big chunk of their prime on a rebuild is going to buy that it will be a quick 2-3 year turn around.
They will have 12 or so million in cap space next year with only a few roster spots to fill. Kubalik and Brannstrom are probably gone. So that leaves Pinto and Tarasenko as the only legitimate free agents. So they have flexibility to make changes on the roster.
I think pending a market for the players, Chabot, Batherson, and Joseph might be the ones voted off the ship next off season. They could possibly move out Batherson and Joseph, and use that cap to bring in a RHD. A Chychrun extension will cost between 8M-9.5M, and the experiment of having 3/4 top 4 D being LHD has not worked. They either need to find a way to bring in a legitimate RHD who can play with at east 2/3 of them, and have an absolutely stacked defense, or they need to move on from one of Chabot or Chychrun and use those assets and cap to acquire a RHD.
frightenedinmatenum2
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I doubt Edmonton will waive him. Their POHO is his former agent. Unless they had a very explicit agreement that the performance bonuses aren't guaranteed, they aren't going to screw him. They were very clearly paper bonuses meant to circumvent the cap. If there were legitimate concerns about performance or durability, the GP would have been a lot higher, or it would have been tied to actual performance incentives like points, goals, TOI, etc.
Nobody will trade for him without a huge sweetener until the bonus is on Edmonton's books.
He dumped Ottawa before they dumped him.
The Senators were never going to re-sign him. They were still a budget team at the time. They cycled him out 1 year early to clear cash and get a draft pick because they were not going to re-sign him anyways. Joseph was his replacement at 1.5M less that season (4M VS 2.5M), and significantly less than what it probably would have cost long-term to keep Brown, even on a team-friendly contract.
I think Ottawa made the right move considering they played him in a role way above where he would be on most teams, which gave him an argument for a bigger contract. They also mismanaged picks during the rebuild, and badly needed any picks anywhere they could get them. He was also replaceable internally for cheaper with Joseph who plays a similar role to where Brown would have been slotted on a more developed Ottawa team.
This wasn't a case of Ottawa wanting to keep Brown, and Brown shunning them. It's the opposite or it was mutual. Zero chance Ottawa was interested in paying big UFA money for him.
