Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[HSF]

Not the first time I hear people talking about "pride" with Dorion. His pride didn't stop him to trade away DBC at a lost

He now has an process oriented owner. Trading for Kubalik in the first place will definitely be questioned within the inner circles if he is dealt.

Or Dorion wants to trade Joseph and SS and telling him to buzz off and trade Kubalik

 

[Mingus Dew]

DBC all but publicly said he wasn't signing with the Sens. Dorion had no choice but to trade him.

Brannstrom shouldn't be on this team but Dorion's happiest day as a GM was acquiring him so there you go. Kubalik is a really good goal scorer remember can't trade him.

Dorion hates looking incompetent which must be difficult for him to deal with because he's so incompetent.

 

[aragorn]

DBC all but publicly said he wasn't signing with the Sens. Dorion had no choice but to trade him.

Brannstrom shouldn't be on this team but Dorion's happiest day as a GM was acquiring him so there you go. Kubalik is a really good goal scorer remember can't trade him.

Dorion hates looking incompetent which must be difficult for him to deal with because he's so incompetent.

"all but said" is not saying it. I think he was traded because he wanted to go home & play for Detroit or his wife & family did, either way Dorion respected the player's wishes which in the NHL is seen as a classy thing to do by the players. He still got a 1st, a 4th & Kubalik a 45 pt player who was a 30/40 pt player over the last 4 yrs, so it wasn't a total loss. And with that extra money was able to sign Tarasenko & Korpisalo. They also have 2 1st rd picks in 2024 & 6 picks in the first 4 rds which should help stock the prospect cupboards. I don't view it at all as a negative, I think they came out alright with the deal & are in better shape now than they have been in yrs & next yr will have pleny of cap space & be in even better shape financially. They just have to get this Pinto situation sorted out & they should be fine. All this speculation on what Andlauer & Staois want or are going to do is just speculation, we don't know.

 

[HSF]

DBC all but publicly said he wasn't signing with the Sens. Dorion had no choice but to trade him.

Brannstrom shouldn't be on this team but Dorion's happiest day as a GM was acquiring him so there you go. Kubalik is a really good goal scorer remember can't trade him.

Dorion hates looking incompetent which must be difficult for him to deal with because he's so incompetent.

This is why it is important to change management sometimes. Get fresh perspectives

I am hoping SS brings that

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Brannstrom at 2M is fine on paper. He's a legitimate bottom pair defenseman who can QB a PP unit and also can kill penalties.

The problem is that this team isn't in a position to benefit from his best asset, which is that he can be slotted on the #2 PP unit. This is because they already have 3 other defenseman who are better than Brannstrom on the powerplay. This is a unique problem to have.

The other issue is that the cap was mismanaged this offseason. Brannstrom is maybe the second most redundant player with a cap hit above the threshold for burying contracts. Given that they didn't have to qualify him, if they have to bundle a pick with his contract to clear space for Pinto, it's a bad look.

 

[HSF]

trading away depth on defensemen makes no sense unless they are overpaid

the obvious move is Kubalik who does not provide anything that we don't have

 

[Mingus Dew]

"all but said" is not saying it. I think he was traded because he wanted to go home & play for Detroit or his wife & family did, either way Dorion respected the player's wishes which in the NHL is seen as a classy thing to do by the players. He still got a 1st, a 4th & Kubalik a 45 pt player who was a 30/40 pt player over the last 4 yrs, so it wasn't a total loss. And with that extra money was able to sign Tarasenko & Korpisalo. They also have 2 1st rd picks in 2024 & 6 picks in the first 4 rds which should help stock the prospect cupboards. I don't view it at all as a negative, I think they came out alright with the deal & are in better shape now than they have been in yrs & next yr will have pleny of cap space & be in even better shape financially. They just have to get this Pinto situation sorted out & they should be fine. All this speculation on what Andlauer & Staois want or are going to do is just speculation, we don't know.

It was out in the media that he was not signing here. Everyone knew it. People were reporting it. So at that point Dorion could either (i) trade him for a bad return and look incompetent (this was the outcome) or (ii) let him play out his last year disgruntled until he walked for nothing and look more incompetent.

I'm happy they moved on from DeBrincat. Dude didn't want to be here. The whole situation sucks because obviously you would kill to just draft Korchinski and never have to deal with this misadventure.

Kubalik looks like a guy that scored some points playing above his station and on Detroit's PP1. He's a third line depth player here and he's mosty invisible, although he's shown some good physicality. He should be moved ASAP. We don't need him and maybe someone will take the bait.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Brannstrom at 2M is fine on paper. He's a legitimate bottom pair defenseman who can QB a PP unit and also can kill penalties.

The problem is that this team isn't in a position to benefit from his best asset, which is that he can be slotted on the #2 PP unit. This is because they already have 3 other defenseman who are better than Brannstrom on the powerplay. This is a unique problem to have.

The other issue is that the cap was mismanaged this offseason. Brannstrom is maybe the second most redundant player with a cap hit above the threshold for burying contracts. Given that they didn't have to qualify him, if they have to bundle a pick with his contract to clear space for Pinto, it's a bad look.

There are very few teams on which Brannstrom would be getting consistent PP time.

Brannstrom ranks 71st out of 74 players with over 200 PP Mins since 2020-2021 in PP Pts/60, one of 14 out of 74 guys with 1 goal or less, one of 11 guys with 5 primary assists or less... and those figures have gotten worse and worse every year.

 

[BondraTime]

There are very few teams on which Brannstrom would be getting consistent PP time.

Brannstrom ranks 71st out of 74 players with over 200 PP Mins since 2020-2021 in PP Pts/60, one of 14 out of 74 guys with 1 goal or less, one of 11 guys with 5 primary assists or less... and those figures have gotten worse and worse every year.

He just doesn't have a defined role in the league, which is generally what a bottom pair defender is, a defined role player.

Not an offensive or defensive player, not big or physical, not PP1 or PK1. Getting ~60% offensive starts.

 

[guyzeur]

There are very few teams on which Brannstrom would be getting consistent PP time.

Brannstrom ranks 71st out of 74 players with over 200 PP Mins since 2020-2021 in PP Pts/60, one of 14 out of 74 guys with 1 goal or less, one of 11 guys with 5 primary assists or less... and those figures have gotten worse and worse every year.

I just hope his + - is great.

 

[Cosmix]

Brannstrom at 2M is fine on paper. He's a legitimate bottom pair defenseman who can QB a PP unit and also can kill penalties.

The problem is that this team isn't in a position to benefit from his best asset, which is that he can be slotted on the #2 PP unit. This is because they already have 3 other defenseman who are better than Brannstrom on the powerplay. This is a unique problem to have.

The other issue is that the cap was mismanaged this offseason. Brannstrom is maybe the second most redundant player with a cap hit above the threshold for burying contracts. Given that they didn't have to qualify him, if they have to bundle a pick with his contract to clear space for Pinto, it's a bad look.

Trading Brannstrom provides $2M cap space; however, the team will need a D to replace him at a salary of about $0.8M. Therefore, there will only be about $1.2M cap space available for Pinto, which likely will not be enough for a 1 year contract. Trading Joseph or Kubalik would provide the cap space to sign Pinto and leave some available for call-ups for injuries.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Trading Brannstrom provides $2M cap space; however, the team will need a D to replace him at a salary of about $0.8M. Therefore, there will only be about $1.2M cap space available for Pinto, which likely will not be enough for a 1 year contract. Trading Joseph or Kubalik would provide the cap space to sign Pinto and leave some available for call-ups for injuries.

Pinto would come in and presumably a forward would be sent down , that along with the slim amount of cap space would put it at 2 or a little over.
That should be plenty to get Pinto here until they can negotiate an extension beyond this year.

 

[DueDiligence]

Brannstrom at 2M is fine on paper. He's a legitimate bottom pair defenseman who can QB a PP unit and also can kill penalties.

Sure he can do them......but not very well.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Time for a panic trade. I think Andrew Peeke can right this ship.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Sure he can do them......but not very well.

Chabot barely even plays the PK and doesn't do all that well on the PP either, but we're paying him 8m to make more mistakes than Branny.

 

[Korpse]

Chabot barely even plays the PK and doesn't do all that well on the PP either, but we're paying him 8m to make more mistakes than Branny.

There are categories Chabot is elite in. Great in transition especially on zone entries, which is an incredibly valuable skill.

Comparing Brannstrom to him is gross.

 

[DueDiligence]

Chabot barely even plays the PK and doesn't do all that well on the PP either, but we're paying him 8m to make more mistakes than Branny.

I agree with that. Chabot is nowhere near an $8 million dollar Dman.

 

[Ouroboros]

Time for a panic trade. I think Andrew Peeke can right this ship.

It could actually work.

Kubalik and Brannstrom for Peeke and Robinson. A swap of four guys who would probably all clear waivers.

Sens get a RD to even out the defense pairings and keep JBD far away from the NHL. They also get cap space to sign $hane Pinto to a 2M contract. Columbus gets out of a medium-term contract they probably don't want, and all they have to do is take some short-term roster filler that maybe they could move along for picks somewhere down the line.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

There are categories Chabot is elite in. Great in transition especially on zone entries, which is an incredibly valuable skill.

Our system has made him hotsam garbage.

5 on 5 defensive zone giveaways
19/20 - Chabot 6th last in NHL
20/21 - Chabot dead last in NHL
21/22 - TC 14th worst (he only played 59 games, would have been significantly worse if he played the season - by dzone giveaways per game, would have been 2nd worst)
22/23 - TC 15th worst, again missing 14 games. Per game, around 5fth worst.

He's a huge source of our problem.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

There are categories Chabot is elite in. Great in transition especially on zone entries, which is an incredibly valuable skill.

Comparing Brannstrom to him is gross.

Chabot is marginally better than Brannstrom and has less hockey IQ but gets paid 6m more.

That is whats gross.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

That's a phat margin

 

[Korpse]

Our system has made him hotsam garbage.

5 on 5 defensive zone giveaways
19/20 - Chabot 6th last in NHL
20/21 - Chabot dead last in NHL
21/22 - TC 14th worst (he only played 59 games, would have been significantly worse if he played the season - by dzone giveaways per game, would have been 2nd worst)
22/23 - TC 15th worst, again missing 14 games. Per game, around 5fth worst.

He's a huge source of our problem.

Just looking at last season, I see some flaws in your analysis. Why would you convert to a per game basis and not /60. Of the players ahead of him in # of giveaways, 6 have less ice time. There's also others who have less giveaways but much less minutes. For the sake of comparison Chabot has a /60 rate comparable to Karlsson, Hedman, Letang, Reilly, Morrissey that's notable players from a very quick look.

He's a driving force offensively who see's the ice often, him having a high # of giveaways should be no surprise and I personally don't see it as a problem the same way I never saw it as a problem with Karlsson.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Just trade Pinto for a goalie at this point, f*** me.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Just trade Pinto for a goalie at this point, f*** me.

The goalies aren't the problem. It's the team defense in front of them.

Which isn't to say either of our goalies are great long term solutions, but they aren't the reason that we have such extravagant losses. Most goalies are going to look bad with this team in front of them.

We have Sogaard in the AHL. So we have someone else we can put in net if we need a shakeup. The problem is that putting Sogaard behind this team will probably result in him quitting hockey. Keep him as far away from this team as possible until they fix the defensive structure.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Has anybody watched New Jersey this year? How has John Marino looked?

He is cost-controlled at a decent cap hit for a top 4 RHD. We previously had interest in him, but I suspect we didn't want to pay whatever the price was to move Zaitsev in order to make budget room for him.

Bahl is playing a bigger role for them this season and Hughes is a sure-thing.

It would likely only be possible if we trade Pinto or close the book on signing him and New Jersey takes Brannstrom and either Joseph or Kubalik to facilitate the trade.