Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Larionov]

How does everyone feel about taking a swing at Spencer Knight? There's no way that the Panthers are feeling good about paying him $4.5 million to play in the AHL. I find myself wondering if they would be looking to get that cap hit off their books for a reasonable price...

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

How does everyone feel about taking a swing at Spencer Knight? There's no way that the Panthers are feeling good about paying him $4.5 million to play in the AHL. I find myself wondering if they would be looking to get that cap hit off their books for a reasonable price...

It only makes sense if we have a comparable bad contract to swap, that for one reason or another is more useful to them.

The buyout cap hit for Knight is 750k x 4, so they have a pretty easy out from the contract. That also sets the baseline for what they might be willing to retain on him in a trade.

In that respect, if they have reason to believe Knight can make it as an NHL goalie, a Forsberg+Kubalik for Knight+Warm Body swap could make sense for both sides and also work cap wise.

Forsberg is a better NHL goalie than Knight at the moment. Next year, he would be their backup goalie. Knight's buyout costs 3M over 4 years, Forsberg makes 2.75M. That means it would be a wash cap wise for Florida but it would also save them from spreading Forsberg's money over 4 years (unless they prefer that).

While Forsberg has not been good this season, I'm sure they would be more comfortable with Forsberg in their depth chart going into the playoffs than with Knight. So while I don't think getting a #3 goalie is a priority for them since they already have 2 solid NHL goalies, it's a small fringe benefit.

I don't think it makes sense for Ottawa though. They would take on an extra 1.75M in cap next year for a project in net. We aren't a team who has a the luxury of being able to do that. We don't even have a starting goalie for next year.

If for some reason Florida is stupid enough to want to do Korpisalo for Knight, that would be worth doing strictly for the better buyout ratio that Knight will qualify for.

 

[Big Muddy]

I don't expect more than a 2nd Rounder in 2024 for Tarasenko

I think any dream of a 1st died when Tanev only got a 2nd.

I'd also wonder about the return for Chychrun as well seeing as how both are defenseman? Chychrun has a year left on his current contract though.

 

[bert]

I think any dream of a 1st died when Tanev only got a 2nd.

Well I don't see how Tanev is a better comparable than Lindholm or Monahan. Those two players are forwards not a defensive D man. Calgary also got the equivalent of two 2nd round picks and a conditional 3rd. I actually dont think the value is all that different from what Monahan got.

Id take two 2nds for Tarasenko.

I'd also wonder about the return for Chychrun as well seeing as how both are defenseman? Chychrun has a year left on his current contract though.

They really aren't comparable. But not the best news, I also dont think the deal is as bad for Tanev as people are saying. Grushnikov is pretty much a guarantee to play NHL games. I have some friends that Scout the OHL. He's an absolute rock plays really hard. Dallas is also the best drafting team in hockey and this guys playing in the AHL as a 20 year old in a shut down role already.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I was surprised to hear Friedman speculate that Calgary viewed the prospect in the Tanev trade as being the equivalent of a late 1st. That sounds a bit too much like a Garrioch style spin to me.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

How does everyone feel about taking a swing at Spencer Knight? There's no way that the Panthers are feeling good about paying him $4.5 million to play in the AHL. I find myself wondering if they would be looking to get that cap hit off their books for a reasonable price...

I'd do something like our 2nd+a prospect.

It's hard to gauge his value in a trade: On one hand, he has struggled the past couple of year and has a high cap hit, but on the other hand, he WAS drafted highly and definitely had potential.

 

[Micklebot]

How does everyone feel about taking a swing at Spencer Knight? There's no way that the Panthers are feeling good about paying him $4.5 million to play in the AHL. I find myself wondering if they would be looking to get that cap hit off their books for a reasonable price...

He's been worse* than all three of our bsens goalies this year in the AHL, I'm not sure why we'd take that risk with his cap hit.

 

[Xspyrit]

I don't get the "no chance we get a 1st for Tarasenko" because of Tanev's return... Sure Grushnikov is a defensive D-man but I'd take that kind of prospect (maybe more a forward) + a 2nd, that wouldn't be a bad return at all, first or not

And proven scorers like Tarasenko usually have the highest value at the deadline

I was surprised to hear Friedman speculate that Calgary viewed the prospect in the Tanev trade as being the equivalent of a late 1st. That sounds a bit too much like a Garrioch style spin to me.

Personally, I see it more like Grushnikov + 2nd is equal to a first. The russian is only 20 y/o, drafted recently by DALLAS in the 2nd round

 

[Very Stable Genius]

Time to see if Staios is a competent asset manager. $7M to take on retained salary for picks, should be a straightforward win.

 

[PlayOn]

Time to see if Staios is a competent asset manager. $7M to take on retained salary for picks, should be a straightforward win.

They only have two retention slots left for this year. Tarasenko probably gets one to maximize his value. I think maybe we shouldn’t waste the last one on Kubalik though, cause idk that you’re gonna get anything back for him even with retention.

Also if they’re trying to move Forsberg I think they’d probably need retention on that since he has another year. Staios can always take back some expiring contracts if need be though.

 

[DrEasy]

They only have two retention slots left for this year. Tarasenko probably gets one to maximize his value. I think maybe we shouldn’t waste the last one on Kubalik though, cause idk that you’re gonna get anything back for him even with retention.

Also if they’re trying to move Forsberg I think they’d probably need retention on that since he has another year. Staios can always take back some expiring contracts if need be though.

Two slots? Then it seems easy, use them on Tarasenko and Chychrun and get the max return you can get on them now.

 

[PlayOn]

Two slots? Then it seems easy, use them on Tarasenko and Chychrun and get the max return you can get on them now.

Seems logical to me, but everyone in the media I’ve heard discuss Chychrun seem to suggest he won’t move until the summer. Maybe Staios is trying to keep it under wraps but otherwise it doesn’t seem like he’s getting traded right now.

 

[ottawagm]

Retaining half of Myers contract if VAN wants to move him at the deadline would cost us no money, due to the 5M bonus, and likely get us a decent asset.

We have 2 retention spots. What are some of the other higher priced UFA we could retain on?

 

[HSF]

Seems logical to me, but everyone in the media I’ve heard discuss Chychrun seem to suggest he won’t move until the summer. Maybe Staios is trying to keep it under wraps but otherwise it doesn’t seem like he’s getting traded right now.

if we retain on Chych then we lose that cap space next year

not a smart move by ottawa

 

[PlayOn]

if we retain on Chych then we lose that cap space next year

not a smart move by ottawa

To me it depends on what the return becomes if you retain. I do agree we don’t have a ton of cap space as it is to do what we need to do but I’d probably take the hit anyway if it substantially improves the return.

 

[HSF]

david savard retained is a good option to get a vet RD who can still play

To me it depends on what the return becomes if you retain. I do agree we don’t have a ton of cap space as it is to do what we need to do but I’d probably take the hit anyway if it substantially improves the return.

Ottawa needs every dollar to improve this team. If its an extra 2nd/3rd for us to retain I don't think that does anything for us

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

David Savard suck. hard pass.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

At this point I think we can get Markstrom for Korpisalo, Thomson, Hamonic and a 3rd.

 

[aragorn]

How does everyone feel about taking a swing at Spencer Knight? There's no way that the Panthers are feeling good about paying him $4.5 million to play in the AHL. I find myself wondering if they would be looking to get that cap hit off their books for a reasonable price...

Not sure what happened to Spencer Knight but he was highly rated in his draft yr.

Tarasenko RW ($5 mil) to Florida for Knight G ($4.5 mil) would be almost perfect if Florida would want to move him.
I also like Chychrun LD to Ann for Triston Luneau RD although not sure Ann would want to move Luneau.
Solves two problems if Knight G can return to his potential & Luneau RD pans out, it's definitely a risk.

 

[Duncstar]

If we're buying out Norris you might as well factor in the cap space opened up from trading Brady, because I'm sure that would be the final straw for him.

People who think we're going to magically find a starting goalie or a top 4 RD are kidding themselves. It'll be extremely difficult to find one, let alone two.

I would have thought people around here would have sobered up and realized by now that we're a very unattractive UFA destination. I see names like Pesce and Saros being thrown around and it's laughable. They would never sign here barring a massive overpayment, which isn't something a smart franchise does.

Lots of people playing NHL 24 here and not recognizing it's not a strong UFA year and teams won't be hurting for cap space like the last couple off-seasons, so there's going to be a lot of competition for not a lot of talent, which will mean dumb contracts given out on July 1st.

If that makes Tkachuk leave then so be it. Having all the bros in the room hasn't made this team good. Change is hard but we need it. He's not the GM so tough shit. Do what it takes to make a f***ing winning culture.

If you can't get a 1st for Tarasenko, you give him plus our 2nd for their 1st, conditional on the 1st being at least 10 picks earlier than ours, otherwise it carries over to next year.
You never know when somebody will flop overnight like SJ did, giving us Stutzle.

No one is trading firsts for Tank even if we throw in a 2nd. Put down the controller.

 

[Duncstar]

if we retain on Chych then we lose that cap space next year

not a smart move by ottawa

We will be gaining 5mil from tank and 7. From Norris and 2.5 from Kuba. 2m from brann. Yes cap is a premium but We can retain 50% on Chych for a good package. I say do it. Norris if he ever comes back will probably be a winger anyways, so we move out a winger (likely already gone).

 

[Big Muddy]

Well I don't see how Tanev is a better comparable than Lindholm or Monahan. Those two players are forwards not a defensive D man. Calgary also got the equivalent of two 2nd round picks and a conditional 3rd. I actually dont think the value is all that different from what Monahan got.

Id take two 2nds for Tarasenko.


They really aren't comparable. But not the best news, I also dont think the deal is as bad for Tanev as people are saying. Grushnikov is pretty much a guarantee to play NHL games. I have some friends that Scout the OHL. He's an absolute rock plays really hard. Dallas is also the best drafting team in hockey and this guys playing in the AHL as a 20 year old in a shut down role already.

Yes, this is true. A lot depends on Grushnikov and how good a prospect he is.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Yes, this is true. A lot depends on Grushnikov and how good a prospect he is.

Could be spin but apparently the Flames think he's a legit prospect that has NHL potential.

But the fact that the Flames couldn't get a late 1st for Tanev without having to take on a bad contract says a lot.

 

[GCK]

We will be gaining 5mil from tank and 7. From Norris and 2.5 from Kuba. 2m from brann. Yes cap is a premium but We can retain 50% on Chych for a good package. I say do it. Norris if he ever comes back will probably be a winger anyways, so we move out a winger (likely already gone).

Retaining multi year is such a Dorion move.

 

[Bileur]

We will be gaining 5mil from tank and 7. From Norris and 2.5 from Kuba. 2m from brann. Yes cap is a premium but We can retain 50% on Chych for a good package. I say do it. Norris if he ever comes back will probably be a winger anyways, so we move out a winger (likely already gone).

Depends on the return. I’m not opposed to retaining on Chychrun for one year if they get a much better return.

You have to hope this is the last deadline we’ll be selling. Make it worth your while.