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frightenedinmatenum2 said:
I don't think Schneider is worth anything more than a 2nd round pick at this point. Then deduct the trade-in value on one Brannstrom. Maybe I am wrong.

It's just a mechanism to get the Senators under the cap but with an NHL bottom pairing D coming back because they don't have a ton of depth that can fill in on the bottom pair.

My logic is that Pinto at this point has more value than Lafreniere. That is another thing I could be wrong on.



People are discussing what Booboo Bear said on the broadcast today.

Pinto is absolutely getting traded because if he wasn't, it would mean that Pierre Dorion negotiates through the media. We know he never does that.
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I don’t think Dorion will be extracting max value from pinto. Or anyone else for that matter.
 
I like the idea of both Pinto & Grieg in the lineup. That would be ideal.

In this case, would Grieg be our 4C, or would he be utilized as a winger? Elite Prospects lists him as a C/LW. Any idea how much time (games) he has spent as a winger?
 
Big Muddy said:
I like the idea of both Pinto & Grieg in the lineup. That would be ideal.

In this case, would Grieg be our 4C, or would he be utilized as a winger? Elite Prospects lists him as a C/LW. Any idea how much time (games) he has spent as a winger?
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I like Greig at center, but he can play wing.

If we keep Pinto, it likely means we pay to move Kubalik or Joseph. So we would need a replacement on the wing in the top 9. That is likely Greig.
 
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Kubalik should be the odd man out and you would think there would be a market for him as injuries set in to other teams top 6. Retain on him if you have to and increase the return.
 
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Maybe we trade pinto for a first. And then next season when cap space is cleared we can use those firsts we got from pinto and debrincst to get some good young players looking for a change of scenery

PlayersLtd said:
Kubalik should be the odd man out and you would think there would be a market for him as injuries set in to other teams top 6. Retain on him if you have to and increase the return.
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It just looks bad and I think Dorion is afraid of looking bad.
 
Burrowsaurus said:
Maybe we trade pinto for a first. And then next season when cap space is cleared we can use those firsts we got from pinto and debrincst to get some good young players looking for a change of scenery


It just looks bad and I think Dorion is afraid of looking bad.
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So you want to trade Pinto for a 1st so we can package that 1st with another 1st in hopes to get a player like Pinto?
 
Burrowsaurus said:
Maybe we trade pinto for a first. And then next season when cap space is cleared we can use those firsts we got from pinto and debrincst to get some good young players looking for a change of scenery


It just looks bad and I think Dorion is afraid of looking bad.
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It all looks bad . There is no way to look good.
Dorion could use Pinto as the scapegoat in this situation, exclaiming he is unwilling to sign a contract at the number offered. This is the Petty Pete formula.
But in the end
Being forced to move Joseph looks bad
Being forced to move Kubalik looks bad
Being forced to move Brannstrom looks bad
Trading Pinto would look really bad in my estimation... but there will be a heaping helping of spin associated with that
 
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2CHAINZ said:
So you want to trade Pinto for a 1st so we can package that 1st with another 1st in hopes to get a player like Pinto?
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I don’t WANT to. I WANT to trade Kubalik.

But next year we will have the cap space to sign a player like pinto. As of right now we do not

Sens of Anarchy said:
It all looks bad . There is no way to look good.
Dorion could use Pinto as the scapegoat in this situation, exclaiming he is unwilling to sign a contract at the number offered. This is the Petty Pete formula.
But in the end
Being forced to move Joseph looks bad
Being forced to move Kubalik looks bad
Being forced to move Brannstrom looks bad
Trading Pinto would look really bad in my estimation... but there will be a heaping helping of spin associated with that
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Yeah im saying Dorion has to bite the bullet. But you’re right he will pass the buck off to pinto and his agent
 
I’m all for trading Kubalik to make room for Pinto. Most of the teams that have the cap space to take him are rebuilding so a 28 year old pending UFA with 0 points doesn’t likely fit their needs. It will probably require a sweetener that will hurt.
 
ReginKarlssonLehner said:
I still think that a coaching change can bring back another type of Chabot.

This "shinny, show me what you got" system we playing now is not conducive to a productive Chabot at all.

But it seems like it's long lost now, damage is done on Chabot and all those years of 30+ minutes have done their part. We could literally replace Chabot with a 3-4 million player and not feel difference now it seems. He's a bigger Brannstrom, nothing more.
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Frankly I wonder if it is the opposite

Shinny show me what you got worked for Chabot in junior where he was a terrific skater and perhaps in his earlier years where the league was less familiar with them.

As this team has become better and more structured, Chabot seems to be going the other way.
 
I could see Pinto to NYI, Philly or Boston. This blows. Onto best package time, sounds like team and player are divorcing
 
Duncstar said:
I could see Pinto to NYI, Philly or Boston. This blows. Onto best package time, sounds like team and player are divorcing
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Philly is the only team that has a package that could help us (Laughton/Konecny). I don't want futures or Jake Debrusk from Boston. I don't want Pageau back.

It sucks, there's no winning a Pinto trade.
 
Duncstar said:
I could see Pinto to NYI, Philly or Boston. This blows. Onto best package time, sounds like team and player are divorcing
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I think this is just leverage by Doring to get Pinto to get his agent moving. We know you want to be here, but if this continues any longer then we'll be moving you.

Although maybe Pinto wants to play for his hometown NYI. Do they have any Kubaliks?

Pinto + Brannstrom -> Dobson
 
Sens of Anarchy said:
It all looks bad . There is no way to look good.
Dorion could use Pinto as the scapegoat in this situation, exclaiming he is unwilling to sign a contract at the number offered. This is the Petty Pete formula.
But in the end
Being forced to move Joseph looks bad
Being forced to move Kubalik looks bad
Being forced to move Brannstrom looks bad
Trading Pinto would look really bad in my estimation... but there will be a heaping helping of spin associated with that
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Moving Dorion is my preference.

JD1 said:
Frankly I wonder if it is the opposite

Shinny show me what you got worked for Chabot in junior where he was a terrific skater and perhaps in his earlier years where the league was less familiar with them.

As this team has become better and more structured, Chabot seems to be going the other way.
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Bad coaching!
 
It is possible that Dorion is negotiating through the media, but if they are going to trade him, they would want it to leak out before hand in order to prime the fanbase.

If you're Pinto's agent, you would probably welcome a trade to somewhere like Philadelphia. In Ottawa, all the money is spoken for. Teams can only have so many players signed at 7 or 8 million. They already have a handful, they also have Chychrun who will get bumped up to 8M+ in 2025.

On top of that, Norris will box Pinto into a Pageau-like role of being an elite matchup C who can provide 20 goals and 50 points.

From the POV of the Senators, if it was this difficult to sign Pinto as a 10.2(c) RFA with 1 pro season, how difficult is it going to be after a 2 year bridge deal?

I think trading him is a mistake, but if someone has put a great young player on the table, or a fantastic return package, I can see why it might be enticing to move on. The thing is, if they do move him, they have to get at least 1 sure thing. It can't be a bunch of prospects and picks. There has to be a comparable young player.
 
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frightenedinmatenum2 said:
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IN:
-Alexis Lafreniere (2.325Mx2Y)
-Brayden Schneider (925kx1Y)

OUT:
-Shane Pinto (RFA Rights)
-2024 OTT 4th Round Pick


:flyers
IN:
-Dominik Kubalik
-2026 3rd Round Pick or 2027 2nd Round Pick (PHI's choice)

OUT:
-Retention On Erik Brannstrom (1Mx1Y)


:rangers

IN:
-Shane Pinto (2.5Mx2Y)
-Erik Brannstrom (1Mx1Y)
-2024 OTT 4th Round Pick

OUT:
-Alexis Lafreniere (2.325Mx2Y)
-Brayden Schneider (925kx1Y)
-2026 3rd Round Pick or 2027 2nd Round Pick (PHI's choice)

Schneider doesn't look like he is going to make the jump to being an impact defenseman. I can't imagine he has a ton of trade value right now. The purpose of the Brannstrom/Schneider swap is to get Ottawa an additional 1M in cap space while bringing in a comparable young D.

Rangers give up the future 2nd because Pinto>Lafreniere in terms of value. That 2nd goes to Philadelphia to compensate them for taking Kubalik and retaining on Brannstrom. The Rangers need retention on Brannstrom to fit the Pinto extension in.

Kubalik is redundant with Lafreniere coming in, and Ottawa needs to fix their cap situation before their big road trip. If they are going to trade Pinto for a worse player, at least they can bring in a big name that will get the hometown fans of the Senateurs D'Gatineau tres excited.
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I think Rangers would hang up phone.
 
I don't know about you guys, but I personally cannot wait for Pierre's proudest day, vol. 2.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
It is possible that Dorion is negotiating through the media, but if they are going to trade him, they would want it to leak out before hand in order to prime the fanbase.

If you're Pinto's agent, you would probably welcome a trade to somewhere like Philadelphia. In Ottawa, all the money is spoken for. Teams can only have so many players signed at 7 or 8 million. They already have a handful, they also have Chychrun who will get bumped up to 8M+ in 2025.

On top of that, Norris will box Pinto into a Pageau-like role of being an elite matchup C who can provide 20 goals and 50 points.

From the POV of the Senators, if it was this difficult to sign Pinto as a 10.2(c) RFA with 1 pro season, how difficult is it going to be after a 2 year bridge deal?

I think trading him is a mistake, but if someone has put a great young player on the table, or a fantastic return package, I can see why it might be enticing to move on. The thing is, if they do move him, they have to get at least 1 sure thing. It can't be a bunch of prospects and picks. There has to be a comparable young player.
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something around Shane Pinto for Dawson Mercer...
 
scout20 said:
something around Shane Pinto for Dawson Mercer...
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Not sure anyone is trading mercer can we even fit an ELC onto the roster?

If we are trading pinto we aren’t taking money back. Or else we will have to trade someone to fit that money in
 
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