Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Loach]

Maybe I don't understand the point you're trying to make. Let's suppose it's true that the Rangers don't need Schneider, that has nothing to do with his value on the open market. Zero.

If I have a Ferrari, a Porsche and a Mercedes in the driveway does the fact that I own the Ferrari and Porsche have any bearing on the value of the Mercedes if I decided to sell it? Of course not, the value is set by the market willing to buy it, not by the usefulness of the car to the person selling it.

If you have 2 parking spots and need to move the Merc, then yeah, it does affect the price. You want 50k for it, i'll give you 40k. But it's worth 50 you say? You have to move it. 40k. What's that? You can't pay insurance on all 3, only 2? Cool. 35k.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

If you have 2 parking spots and need to move the Merc, then yeah, it does affect the price. You want 50k for it, i'll give you 40k. But it's worth 50 you say? You have to move it. 40k. What's that? You can't pay insurance on all 3, only 2? Cool. 35k.

If you have all 3 I think you have more than 2 “parking spots”.

 

[bert]

To play devil's advocate, trading what should be the ~26th to 32nd overall pick is a far cry from Dorion trading what ended up being #7 and #12 overall. I don't think there are very many people interested in moving the Sens own pick which should fall somewhere in the top-ten again.

I understand the need to rebuild the cupboards, but I don't think that should prevent Staois from looking at options with the Bruins 1st, especially if it ends up filling one of the glaring needs on this roster. They'll have the ability to recoup some picks in the top-60 if they move on from Tarasenko and/or Chychrun between now and the draft as well.

Now is certainly not the time. Maybe in the offseason when they come to the conclusion they cant fill the hole via free agency. This teams a seller. They have to start managing the assets properly.

The only issue I have with Schnieder as a target (and it's far from a show stopper) is that I think we need a more veteran presence that can help calm the waters,

That said, I think Schnieder can become that type of player, he'd be a great add to the team.

I agree they need 2 RD. I'd be going after Tanev or Demelo via UFA as well. I'd also target a RD in the draft there's 3 really good ones.

 

[PlayersLtd]

If you have 2 parking spots and need to move the Merc, then yeah, it does affect the price. You want 50k for it, i'll give you 40k. But it's worth 50 you say? You have to move it. 40k. What's that? You can't pay insurance on all 3, only 2? Cool. 35k.

Except the 15-20 other neighbours that have been eyeing the Merc, some of them richer than you, start calling when the for sale sign goes up and drive the price up to market value.

 

[bert]

he would be good instead of JBD and Hamonic i think

Na he's not the type of D man they need at all.

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Moving a late first for a legit NHL player is fine.

We got in this mess because Dorion traded for a guy who he didn't know wanted to be here. If we keep Chychrun then the deal is fine though he also was not a RHD.

Sam Bennett was traded for a 2nd + prospect. That is the kinda move you can make upfront but you need players that fit the identify that you are trying to fit. Fla traded a 1st for Reinhart and would do it 10/10 times again

A later 1st has the small chance at being an nhler especially in the next few years

Trading for Schneider is the exact same type of move as Bennett..... He's a young player that fills the need this team is missing..... that is playing down in the lineup because of organizational depth

 

[ijif]

Except the 15-20 other neighbours that have been eyeing the Merc, some of them richer than you, start calling when the for sale sign goes up and drive the price up to market value.

I'll let them have it, and I'll take the Honda. It's cheaper, and it still wins championships.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Na he's not the type of D man they need at all.


Trading for Schneider is the exact same type of move as Bennett..... He's a young player that fills the need this team is missing..... that is playing down in the lineup because of organizational depth

Well we need two d men. Some may even say 3.

 

[HSF]

Well we need two d men. Some may even say 3.

depends on Chychrun

If he is around we only need 2. And I suspect if we move Chychrun then those assets or he himself will be used to get a RD. Some talk previously about chychrun and Weegar swap

If we keep chychrun which seems more likely then we just add a middle RD.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

depends on Chychrun

If he is around we only need 2. And I suspect if we move Chychrun then those assets or he himself will be used to get a RD. Some talk previously about chychrun and Weegar swap

If we keep chychrun which seems more likely then we just add a middle RD.

And a bottom pair RD.

In my mind brannstrom and jbd need to be replaced.

Some think chychrun needs to be as well. I am of the opinion he should be kept.

So two new RDs needed.

 

[Tuna99]

Ott: Broberg
Edm: Chychryn

Ott: Rasmus Andersen
Cal: Kleven, Boston 1st round pick, Sogaard

Sandy - Anderson
Chabot - Zub
Broberg - JBD

 

[Loach]

If you have all 3 I think you have more than 2 “parking spots”.

One is parked on the street. He needs a permit, but because he has a place that has two parking spots he can't get street parking. 3rd car gets ticketed all day, every day.

 

[PlayersLtd]

Schneider is clearly the guy to target. Considering he solves an age old problem on our D if I was SS I would take the opportunity and overspend to get it done.

Chychrun + Tarasenko (retained) + Boucher

Schneider + Goodrow + Kakko

Might have to retain a small amount on Chychrun to make the money work and they can have Kastelic if they need C depth.

 

[stempniaksen]

Ott: Broberg
Edm: Chychryn

Ott: Rasmus Andersen
Cal: Kleven, Boston 1st round pick, Sogaard

Sandy - Anderson
Chabot - Zub
Broberg - JBD

Seems like way too much for Broberg and nowhere near enough for Andersson.

 

[Loach]

Except the 15-20 other neighbours that have been eyeing the Merc, some of them richer than you, start calling when the for sale sign goes up and drive the price up to market value.

Nope. 1 or 2 call to see what's up. Most have spent all thier money. Others don't need a Merc. Some will sell thiers, some like what they have. 30k. You're doing a great job here Dorion. Lol

 

[Tuna99]

Seems like way too much for Broberg and nowhere near enough for Andersson.

Broberg though is a #8 overall still with low contract and great AHL stats etc. But I do think Edmonton moves him this deadline

Rasmus Andersen I agree - just assuming Calagaey likes the prospects invovlced so makes the trade. But you’re right it’s probably more like:

Ott: Rasmus Andersen
Cal: Boston 1st, Ostapchuk, Kleven

 

[BondraTime]

Broberg though is a #8 overall still with low contract and great AHL stats etc. But I do think Edmonton moves him this deadline

Rasmus Andersen I agree - just assuming Calagaey likes the prospects invovlced so makes the trade. But you’re right it’s probably more like:

Ott: Rasmus Andersen
Cal: Boston 1st, Ostapchuk, Kleven

If the Oilers got a 3rd for Broberg they would be lucky, he's closer to Lassi Thomson than he is to an everyday NHLer. Where he was drafted 5 years ago means little at this point

Nobody is going to trade anything of value for a guy that needs waivers and isn't an NHLer at 23

 

[stempniaksen]

Broberg though is a #8 overall still with low contract and great AHL stats etc. But I do think Edmonton moves him this deadline

Rasmus Andersen I agree - just assuming Calagaey likes the prospects invovlced so makes the trade. But you’re right it’s probably more like:

Ott: Rasmus Andersen
Cal: Boston 1st, Ostapchuk, Kleven

I know about Broberg's pedigree and the fact that defencemen take longer to develop but I'd be scared off by a guy going into his D+5 season that hasn't been able to establish himself as an NHLer on an average at best D core in Edmonton. I don't think his value league wide is on par with Chychrun but I get the logic of getting cheaper and younger.

For Andersson I wouldn't be surprised if it takes a higher end piece than any of Kleven/Ostapchuk/BOS 1st to get the conversation going. Just last year Filip Hronek was traded for a higher 1st round pick as the centerpiece and arguably had proven less than Rasmus has. It just seems like a package that could easily be beat given the league wide need for RHD's.

 

[Micklebot]

Trading for Schneider is the exact same type of move as Bennett..... He's a young player that fills the need this team is missing..... that is playing down in the lineup because of organizational depth

Bennett had 6 seasons under his belt and and a forward was significantly further along the development curve, you're right about the depth keeping him down the lineup though, but I see Schnieder as more of a work in progress who you can expect to continue developing.

I think he's got the potential to be a right handed version our next Methot with more offensive talent though. He won't light it up, but similar to Zub I think he'll be able move the puck and make a play when needed

We could do a lot worse than him in our top 5 right now.

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Schneider
Chychrun-JBD

 

[GCK]

Dude I don’t get your posts or those like it. It’s not the “left side” it’s our top 4. He’s playing the right side. Stop with this “left side” it’s LHDs. One of which will play the right side.

It’s a commitment of 30M on our top 4. It’s not bad.

Chychrun playing the left side is probably a 7-7.5M player, playing the right side he’s worth 4-4.5M.

 

[Micklebot]

Chychrun playing the left side is probably a 7-7.5M player, playing the right side he’s worth 4-4.5M.

So what you're saying is we're keeping his next contract team friendly by playing him on the right side.

 

[Boud]

So what you're saying is we're keeping his next contract team friendly by playing him on the right side.

I don't think so. His value will not be dictated by his play on the right side in Ottawa, it will be based on the market and the overwhelming need for competent top 4 Dman. A team will throw 7M at him and if he decides to really test the market he could get more than that with the rising cap.

That really is the issue with Chychrun though, he is not playing like a 7M+ defensemen here because he have other players who fill his role better than he can so he needs to take on a different role and it doesn't really suit him. I don't really see any incentive for us to sign him at that price because he doesn't bring that value to the team and we have other holes to fill. He could if we used him to his strengths but that's not the case. We're better off grabbing a 4-6M Dman who can play the right side and play a shutdown type of game.

I would not be surprised if Chychrun would not be open to staying here because of his role. Not because he doesn't like it here but because he is not put in a situation to succeed on a nightly basis.

 

[Xspyrit]

What needs to be done :

1- Trade Kubalik half retained for anything, a late pick or even a AHL player. He's completely useless this season but has an history of scoring so a team might want to add him as depth.

2- Have Hamonic waive his NMC or just buy him out in the summer, or if he accepts to play in the AHL next season. He just needs to go as soon as possible

3- Trade Tarasenko. He can still contribute but get futures for him now, picks or a ready prospect. Go a different route this summer when re-allocating his AAV

4- Trade Chychrun. The guy doesn't fit and doesn't seem that happy. I know some want to trade Chabot instead but it's clear to me that Chabot is better in all aspects except shooting. Trading him for a top prospect or a player that would fit the needs better (a RHD?) would be beneficial.

5- Trade Brannstrom at the draft for a young-ish forward.

Next off-season, focus on getting a RHD and a LW to play on a line with Stutzle and Batherson. Someone like Pavel Buchnevich would be a pipe dream.

 

[Alex1234]

To play devil's advocate, trading what should be the ~26th to 32nd overall pick is a far cry from Dorion trading what ended up being #7 and #12 overall. I don't think there are very many people interested in moving the Sens own pick which should fall somewhere in the top-ten again.

I understand the need to rebuild the cupboards, but I don't think that should prevent Staois from looking at options with the Bruins 1st, especially if it ends up filling one of the glaring needs on this roster. They'll have the ability to recoup some picks in the top-60 if they move on from Tarasenko and/or Chychrun between now and the draft as well.

To play the Devil"s devil"s advocate
Your have to gather some late 1st rounders if you want to draft gems like Bean and Greig sometimes

 

[SensFactor]

Not popular opinion but Chabot is the dman I would trade. He's still below avg defensively, doesn't even shoot anymore with his muffin shot and tell me the last time he won a board battle? I don't see him getting better. He's a great puck transporter and passer. That is not worth 8 mil a season. Try and sign Chychrun long term and move Chabot.

 

[DJB]

Ott: Broberg
Edm: Chychryn

Ott: Rasmus Andersen
Cal: Kleven, Boston 1st round pick, Sogaard

Sandy - Anderson
Chabot - Zub
Broberg - JBD

The oilers are desperate for D men. It should be very telling as to why Broberg is available