Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[TheNewEra]

Chychrun for Karlsson in the off-season: which side says no?

Oh don't start this again

We are about to have multiple paragraphs justifying it. And I like karlsson as a player just not at that contract

 

[Alex1234]

Team that is 28th in the league (behind MTL and ARI) shouldn't even think about being buyer lol
Adding a 35 yo D is some stupid idea

 

[Micklebot]

Tarasenko at 50% JBD and a 4th 2024 for Schneider and Goodrow let's see it Staios.

Id love to see that (though I like what JBD is becoming) but I think NYR are after centers.

I also really like Tarasenko, he's been a low key great addition, but we can't risk losing him to UFA and not getting a return.

 

[Icelevel]

This kinda just looks like we got way worse with a chance to get better in 5 years

Yeah

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Chychrun for Karlsson in the off-season: which side says no?

I wanna see the utter disaster a chabot karlsson pairing will be

 

[Micklebot]

the utter disaster a chabot karlsson pairing will be

Would it be a disaster? I mean, neither is particularly renown for defensive play, but if Zub and Sanderson is our second pair eating up all the tough assignments, that shouldn't matter.

Both guys are + players on losing teams. Both guys are >50% in CF%, xGF, SCF%, and HDCF%

I think the bigger issue is you get diminishing returns having them together, more likely we see Karlsson with Sanderson, and Chabot with Zub. Throw Chabot with Karlsson together only when we're down late,

 

[HSF]

The sens need stability on defense. I don't think you are getting that with Schnieder

Tarasenko at 50% JBD and a 4th 2024 for Schneider and Goodrow let's see it Staios.


A. They need more picks for sure.

B. Getting a good young player to build with this teams young core would be great. Especially if it's a RD.

They aren't close to contending the roster is flawed and this teams 4 of its best 5 players (excluding Giroux) are 22 and under. They need to retool and build around them.

Next year this is what I'd like to see. The deal right now around Tar what I suggested. If anyone will give this team anything for Kubalik or Brannstrom great if not let them walk.

Make a decision now on Chychrun and Chabot. I'm leaning towards trading chychrun because he has way more value due to age flexibility and contract even tho I prefer him to Chabot. I really don't know, tough spot for the organization. If Chychrun won't sign they gotta find out and do it now. But personally I like him more.

Let's just assume they get some futures for whoever they deal.

Buy out Korpisalo.

Sign Brossoit 2 years 4.5 million.

Sign Tanev in the offseason.

This is just for the depth chart. First of all I'm moving Norris to LW he's the shooter.

Tkachuk Stutzle Giroux
Norris Pinto Batherson
Joseph Grieg Crookshank
Goodrow Kastelic Kelly
Macewen

Sanderson Zub
Chabot/Chychrun Tanev
Kleven Schneider
Hamonic

Brossoit
Forsberg

That's a real back end that's large physical and mobile. Hopefully a forward group with no passengers. I'd like another two way, hard, fast skilled guy up front maybe they can sign one or trade for one in the Chychrun/Chabot deal or with the assets they get for trading one of them.

But overall that's a team that can play with an identity.

 

[ottawagm]

We're 3 weeks from the trade deadline.

Let's hope Tarasenko can agree to an extension with a team before then so we get a better return.

 

[BondraTime]

We're 3 weeks from the trade deadline.

Let's home Tarasenko can agree to an extension with a team before then so we get a better return.

Teams aren't going to be looking for an extended Tarasenko, the same way teams wouldn't give him term this offseason.

The teams will be looking to trade a ~2nd for a pure rental for this season.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Would it be a disaster? I mean, neither is particularly renown for defensive play, but if Zub and Sanderson is our second pair eating up all the tough assignments, that shouldn't matter.

Both guys are + players on losing teams. Both guys are >50% in CF%, xGF, SCF%, and HDCF%

I think the bigger issue is you get diminishing returns having them together, more likely we see Karlsson with Sanderson, and Chabot with Zub. Throw Chabot with Karlsson together only when we're down late,

Sure split them on and yeah. They would be. X whatever. XG whatever. They both dog it in the defensive zone and can look lethargic as f***. They lead in whatever category and then it will be two misreads or two brain farts and a 2 on 0 on our goalie

The sens need stability on defense. I don't think you are getting that with Schnieder

Well you’re not getting it with a first round pick either.

 

[HSF]

Sure split them on and yeah. They would be. X whatever. XG whatever. They both dog it in the defensive zone and can look lethargic as f***. They lead in whatever category and then it will be two misreads or two brain farts and a 2 on 0 on our goalie


Well you’re not getting it with a first round pick either.

I would trade our extra 1st to help improve the roster and build out the defense

 

[Micklebot]

Sure split them on and yeah. They would be. X whatever. XG whatever. They both dog it in the defensive zone and can look lethargic as f***. They lead in whatever category and then it will be two misreads or two brain farts and a 2 on 0 on our goalie

I guess the end result I was trying to get at is they both score more goals then the opposition, even with their faults. Is that how we define a disaster these days? I think if we have them on the same line, they'd be sheltered from situations where their flaws get exploited, so again, is that a disaster?

Truth be told, I don't really think Karlsson is any worse than Chychrun has been defensively, for as big as that guy is, he really doesn't play like it.

Anyways, it's all a moot point, Karlsson isn't who I want nor who we should be adding. It's all academic when discussing him here imo.

 

[bert]

The sens need stability on defense. I don't think you are getting that with Schnieder

He's a stay at home d man who is big and protects the front of the net. He is 22, just starting his development. He would also be starting on the 3rd pairing.

I would trade our extra 1st to help improve the roster and build out the defense

That's how this team got in this mess. Enough trading firsts. You trade first rounders when you're knocking at the door and the cores in its prime. That is not where this team is. Sanderson, Stutzle, Greig, Tkachuk, Pinto that's this teams core. Ones over 22.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I guess the end result I was trying to get at is they both score more goals then the opposition, even with their faults. Is that how we define a disaster these days? I think if we have them on the same line, they'd be sheltered from situations where their flaws get exploited, so again, is that a disaster?

Truth be told, I don't really think Karlsson is any worse than Chychrun has been defensively, for as big as that guy is, he really doesn't play like it.

Anyways, it's all a moot point, Karlsson isn't who I want nor who we should be adding. It's all academic when discussing him here imo.

Chychrun is simply soft. Plain and simple.

I would trade our extra 1st to help improve the roster and build out the defense

I don’t know what a late first is bringing back. It’s all question marks.

I would be comfortable having Schneider and signing tanev. When tanev retired Schneider is ready for top 4

 

[Crosside]

I would really like Parayko here

 

[Micklebot]

He's a stay at home d man who is big and protects the front of the net. He is 22, just starting his development. He would also be starting on the 3rd pairing.


That's how this team got in this mess. Enough trading firsts. You trade first rounders when you're knocking at the door and the cores in its prime. That is not where this team is. Sanderson, Stutzle, Greig, Tkachuk, Pinto that's this teams core. Ones over 22.

The only issue I have with Schnieder as a target (and it's far from a show stopper) is that I think we need a more veteran presence that can help calm the waters,

That said, I think Schnieder can become that type of player, he'd be a great add to the team.

 

[stempniaksen]

That's how this team got in this mess. Enough trading firsts. You trade first rounders when you're knocking at the door and the cores in its prime. That is not where this team is. Sanderson, Stutzle, Greig, Tkachuk, Pinto that's this teams core. Ones over 22.

To play devil's advocate, trading what should be the ~26th to 32nd overall pick is a far cry from Dorion trading what ended up being #7 and #12 overall. I don't think there are very many people interested in moving the Sens own pick which should fall somewhere in the top-ten again.

I understand the need to rebuild the cupboards, but I don't think that should prevent Staois from looking at options with the Bruins 1st, especially if it ends up filling one of the glaring needs on this roster. They'll have the ability to recoup some picks in the top-60 if they move on from Tarasenko and/or Chychrun between now and the draft as well.

 

[HSF]

Chychrun is simply soft. Plain and simple.


I don’t know what a late first is bringing back. It’s all question marks.

Players will pop up in the spring/summer esp teams who might want to restructure their cap

Colin Miller went for peanuts last offseason.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Players will pop up in the spring/summer esp teams who might want to restructure their cap

Colin Miller went for peanuts last offseason.

I would get Colin miller in free agency honestly. Would be a nice partner for whoever on the bottom pair

 

[stempniaksen]

Unrelated note and it's probably a longshot, but Blake Coleman's full NTC shifts to a 10 team list in the summer. I'd imagine Ottawa would still be on there, but I'd give up a decent package for a productive vet who can eat the tough minutes and still be productive. Obviously it means Tarasenko and Kubalik out at the very least, but he'd be an unbelievable fit next to any of our young centers.

 

[HSF]

L

He's a stay at home d man who is big and protects the front of the net. He is 22, just starting his development. He would also be starting on the 3rd pairing.


That's how this team got in this mess. Enough trading firsts. You trade first rounders when you're knocking at the door and the cores in its prime. That is not where this team is. Sanderson, Stutzle, Greig, Tkachuk, Pinto that's this teams core. Ones over 22.

Moving a late first for a legit NHL player is fine.

We got in this mess because Dorion traded for a guy who he didn't know wanted to be here. If we keep Chychrun then the deal is fine though he also was not a RHD.

Sam Bennett was traded for a 2nd + prospect. That is the kinda move you can make upfront but you need players that fit the identify that you are trying to fit. Fla traded a 1st for Reinhart and would do it 10/10 times again

A later 1st has the small chance at being an nhler especially in the next few years

 

[BondraTime]

Players will pop up in the spring/summer esp teams who might want to restructure their cap

Colin Miller went for peanuts last offseason.

Miller is a #6/healthy that plays 15 minutes a game, that's why he went for peanuts

 

[Burrowsaurus]

The only issue I have with Schnieder as a target (and it's far from a show stopper) is that I think we need a more veteran presence that can help calm the waters,

That said, I think Schnieder can become that type of player, he'd be a great add to the team.

I think there be a succession plan in place. Have him on the third pair. A vet for the second pair. Then in 2-3 years the vet is phased out and Schneider is moved up

 

[HSF]

Miller is a #6/healthy that plays 15 minutes a game, that's why he went for peanuts

he would be good instead of JBD and Hamonic i think

 

[BondraTime]

he would be good instead of JBD and Hamonic i think

Pretty much the same, give or take, he isn't dressed in Jersey without injuries to Siegenthaler and Hamilton, he's their #7/8.

Would probably be better, but he's in the same tier as both those guys, and is given a very sheltered role with low minutes and 60+% OZ starts