Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Dumba is fine if he is meant to be a fringe top 4 for depth. I hope he isn't seen as the solution on the right side but rather a complimentary piece.

I assume both Chychrun and Brannstrom are gone before next season. If we acquire a legitimate RHD and Dumba is the depth piece, that's fine.

 

[dumbdick]

Trade tank with retention for a 1st
Trade JC no retention for a 1st plus 3rd liner.

That gives us four 1sts this draft. Draft them all and let them stew a few seasons. Make room for them once they're ready by trading guys for more futures.
Sign Brann.
Promote crookshank.
Target a dman in UFA, even if we need to overpay.

BRADY -STU - G
GREIG - NORRIS - BATH
JC RETURN - PINTO - JOJO
CROOKED - UFA - KASTELIC
MACEWEN/KELLY

SANDY-ZUB
CHABBY-UFA
BRANN - JBD
KLEVEN

KORPI
FORSBERG

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I have a proposal,

Elias Pettersson for Norris, Grieg and Zub
If Pettersson agrees on extension with Sens.


Reasoning: Canucks can’t afford Pettersson with all their UFA’s set to be paid and rightfully so.


Reasoning for Sens: yeah they remove three great players but now have Stutzle - Pettersson down the middle, with Sens wingers, these two can easily play both 20+minutes a game.



I’m not the bad guy,

Signed,
Coffee

The Sens simply cannot make that move. They don't have the assets or players coming up internally to fill all those spots.

Zub is their RHD on their shutdown pair. They have no way of replacing him. They already need a RHD.

It's also pretty unrealistic to expect Pettersson to extend here.

 

[Samsquanch]

If we could sign Tarasenko for something reasonable, I would be willing to trade Batherson personally.

Hes a great player but Tank does the little things much better and is a proven vet winner. We need more of these guys not less - especially when they are still clearly able to contribute in a meaningful way.

And Batherson could fetch a lot more interesting return than a free agent Tank would. We could go in a lot of different directions for what we want back, and it could give us some flexibility to sign a guy like Tavev in the offseason.

 

[DrEasy]

The only thing you're missing is adding the likelihoods of those scenarios actually coming to fruition.

Correct. My argument is that even if you think the scenario of re-signing Tarasenko as a free agent has zero likelihood, considering the other outcomes it is still better to trade him now, since the best outcome of not trading him is at best as good as the worst outcome of trading him.

To me, ending up empty-handed in free agency, and using the pick we get for Tarasenko to draft someone or as trade material for when we actually are in a playoff race is on par with, or better than re-signing him now.

 

[PlayersLtd]

If you can't hammer out a deal with Tank by the deadline you trade him, full stop, non negotiable. I don't care if he is a likeable character and has played well for us, you need to secure value for him. If he is interested in staying he needs to understand the position we are in and negotiate in advance. Make it easy for us, don't put us in a bind. Our number is the same now as it will be in the off season, so work with us.

The closer he gets to UFA the more likely he is to test the waters, if he tests the waters he is either pricing himself out or he is leveraging against us. Fine for most players, not fine when you were trying to get some clarity on the situation before the deadline.

This is all assuming that he will waive his NTC if he knows he is going to UFA. If he doesn't want to waive his NTC for other reasons, that's a different issue and well within his rights. There is also the small chance that we keep him for a playoff push, also different.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Trade tank with retention for a 1st
Trade JC no retention for a 1st plus 3rd liner.

That gives us four 1sts this draft. Draft them all and let them stew a few seasons. Make room for them once they're ready by trading guys for more futures.
Sign Brann.
Promote crookshank.
Target a dman in UFA, even if we need to overpay.

BRADY -STU - G
GREIG - NORRIS - BATH
JC RETURN - PINTO - JOJO
CROOKED - UFA - KASTELIC
MACEWEN/KELLY

SANDY-ZUB
CHABBY-UFA
BRANN - JBD
KLEVEN

KORPI
FORSBERG

Four 1st round picks for what? The firsts you'd be getting would be in the 25-32 range and those prospects take at minimum 2 seasons, but probably more like 3-4 until they actually play proper NHL minutes.

This team isn't that far off from competing. They need some tweaks on defense and veteran bottom-6 options. It's about identifying the right players and giving it another go. This core group has a solid 5-7 year window.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I think you trade tank regardless. If he comes back in the summer Great. If not. Cest la vie

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Trade tank with retention for a 1st
Trade JC no retention for a 1st plus 3rd liner.

That gives us four 1sts this draft. Draft them all and let them stew a few seasons. Make room for them once they're ready by trading guys for more futures.
Sign Brann.
Promote crookshank.
Target a dman in UFA, even if we need to overpay.

BRADY -STU - G
GREIG - NORRIS - BATH
JC RETURN - PINTO - JOJO
CROOKED - UFA - KASTELIC
MACEWEN/KELLY

SANDY-ZUB
CHABBY-UFA
BRANN - JBD
KLEVEN

KORPI
FORSBERG

This kinda just looks like we got way worse with a chance to get better in 5 years

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Trade tank with retention for a 1st
Trade JC no retention for a 1st plus 3rd liner.

That gives us four 1sts this draft. Draft them all and let them stew a few seasons. Make room for them once they're ready by trading guys for more futures.
Sign Brann.
Promote crookshank.
Target a dman in UFA, even if we need to overpay.

BRADY -STU - G
GREIG - NORRIS - BATH
JC RETURN - PINTO - JOJO
CROOKED - UFA - KASTELIC
MACEWEN/KELLY

SANDY-ZUB
CHABBY-UFA
BRANN - JBD
KLEVEN

KORPI
FORSBERG

No way Tkachuk and Giroux stay if we take steps back and deliberately rebuild.

We will trade a few roster players like Chychrun, but they will either be in hockey trades, or hockey trades by proxy. As in, we get picks+prospects for Chychrun, but we use those (or equivalent) picks and prospects to add to the roster this summer.

 

[Perratrooper]

If we could sign Tarasenko for something reasonable, I would be willing to trade Batherson personally.

Hes a great player but Tank does the little things much better and is a proven vet winner. We need more of these guys not less - especially when they are still clearly able to contribute in a meaningful way.

And Batherson could fetch a lot more interesting return than a free agent Tank would. We could go in a lot of different directions for what we want back, and it could give us some flexibility to sign a guy like Tavev in the offseason.

What would you be looking for in return for Batherson?

Would Sens fans consider moving Norris given how well Pinto has played?

 

[BondraTime]

What would you be looking for in return for Batherson?

Would Sens fans consider moving Norris given how well Pinto has played?

I'd personally be open to moving Norris, for sure

Not speaking for everyone, but I'd trade him for a lot less than most

 

[DJB]

What would you be looking for in return for Batherson?

Would Sens fans consider moving Norris given how well Pinto has played?

Norris and Chabot are the two I’d love to move if we are trying to create cap space and allocate those funds elsewhere

 

[Perratrooper]

Norris and Chabot are the two I’d love to move if we are trying to create cap space and allocate those funds elsewhere

For a player like Norris would the Sens be willing to take some shorter term (1.5 years) left type contracts in the trade? What sort of player would the Sens be hoping to land in return for him?

 

[Xspyrit]

No idea why you guys are looking for all these possibilities when McDavid is going to sign here in 2026-27. This means Chychrun, Norris, Brannstrom, Kubalik, Tarasenko will all be traded by then. Giroux and Joseph will be extended, Forsberg and Hamonic will be let go

The question mark until then is who will be the Top-4 RHD that we need


Tkachuk - McDavid - Joseph
Jarventie - Stutzle - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Giroux
Ostapchuk/Kelly - Kastelic- Pettersson

Sanderson - ????????
Chabot - Zub
Kleven - JBD
Guenette

Korpisalo
Sogaard

 

[Burrowsaurus]

For a player like Norris would the Sens be willing to take some shorter term (1.5 years) left type contracts in the trade? What sort of player would the Sens be hoping to land in return for him?

Not sure anyone is taking him with that contract. And some of us were called crazy for saying he should be in the 6.5 range!

You have to hope he has a big year next year. But then why would we trad him? It’s a wierd situation. All the reason we would have to trade him are all the reasons someone else wouldn’t trade for him.

Personally. Meh. People are always try to wheel and deal to create this perfect hockey team with no holes and everyone is perfect in their role.

won’t happen. I wouldn’t take a hit to just get rid of him. Odds are we aren’t going to win a cup the way the league is currently structured anyway. It’s very hard for a Canadian team to win. He’s right with the group. Getting back from injury.

I right now I don’t think he looks that much worse than he did when he signed the 8. And now I think the same people that thought that was fair are looking to trade him? It’s wierd. But.

 

[BigRig4]

Norris and Chabot are the two I’d love to move if we are trying to create cap space and allocate those funds elsewhere

Agree on Norris. Was on board with Chabot previously but he’s looked really good under Martin I’ve been really encouraged.

 

[Tuna99]

Agree on Norris. Was on board with Chabot previously but he’s looked really good under Martin I’ve been really encouraged.

We finally rebuild our C depth to an elite level - it’s the best it’s ever been in Franchise history and now we want to trade Norris? We want to weaken our C position? Makes no sense

Keep as many good players as you can - you need a stacked team to win the Cup not no teams win with everyone being paid perfectly into their salary slot.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

They shouldn't trade Norris just for the sake of trading a player and recouping assets. If they trade him, it needs to be for one of two reasons.

1. They have the inside track, and believe his shoulder is going to be a permanent issue.
2. They can fill a greater position of need and make the team better by trading him. For example, top pairing RHD.

This is a cap league. There are diminishing returns to loading up at any one position when there are other positions a team needs filled.

Let's hypothetically say the Senators could get a top pairing RHD for Norris. That slides Pinto up to 2C, and Greig stays on the third line as a C/W. It's a lot easier to go out and find a 3C who can kill penalties in a trade or free agency to fix the depth issues caused by trading Norris than it would be to find a legitimate 20+ minute a night RHD.

People say the same thing about keeping Chychrun. At some point, they have to trade from their positions of strength (C, LHD) to fix the problems with the lineup (RHD, G). Keeping one position over-loaded would be a luxury that only makes sense if the team has already filled the other needs, or is actually winning.

They don't have the cap and assets to fill their positions of need without moving someone out. Logically, they move out someone from a position of overabundance (C, LHD).

 

[aragorn]

The Sens are again a bottom feeder team & these teams trade aging vets/UFAs for futures, that's why there is a trade deadline so bottom feeders can acquire some assets & playoff teams can stack up for a playoff run. Tarasenko & Kubalik are both UFAs & they have to be traded for as much as they can get even if they have to retain until the end of the season to acquire a decent asset. Chychrun could also get traded at the deadline or they could have another opportunity at the draft to maybe move a guy like Chychrun to aquire a high pick or move up significantly to get the guy they want in the draft. I think they also need to move on from Brannstrom & should look to trade him asap. July 1 free agency they will try & sign guys who fill holes that will come here for an affordable price. The rest of the summer is to look around to see if anything else needs to be done & re-sign your own RFA players.

 

[Big Muddy]

I don’t think many of you watched Dumba play last year and this one. I’m a fan so I watch him. He’s severely slept on.

And to those who write up how much better demo is I look forward to seeing his caphit this summer when he hits free agency. The guy is good. But he’s a 4/5 on a deeper defensive team. Not the 2/3 on Arizona.

Dumba is severely slept on. And whomever signs him if they have a strong cast to support will reap many rewards.

I think 3x3 is a good deal for Dumba

Here's an article that Dumba supporters should read. It states that Dumba has regressed considerably over the years and his stats/results are not good. It suggests he's a bottom pair defender. I doubt that giving Dumba, a defender who should be playing on the 3rd pair, $3 to $3.5 m would be a good idea.

Travis Yost: A deadline deal for Dumba brings considerable risk | TSN

Finding quality defenders has been the bane of existence for NHL general managers going back decades, and the modernization of the position has only further complicated the matter.

www.tsn.ca

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Here's an article that Dumba supporters should read. It states that Dumba has regressed considerably over the years and his stats/results are not good. It suggests he's a bottom pair defender. I doubt giving Dumba, a defender who should be playing on the 3rd pair, $3 to $3.5 m would be a good idea.

Travis Yost: A deadline deal for Dumba brings considerable risk | TSN

Finding quality defenders has been the bane of existence for NHL general managers going back decades, and the modernization of the position has only further complicated the matter.

www.tsn.ca

This is not the path to go down imo. Please, set your sights a little higher.

 

[Wondercarrot]

I didn’t want Dumba any of the other times his named has surfaced with us, and I only feel more that way every year.
1 or 2 year deal for 1.5 in the offseason for our 3rd pair? Sure.
Dumba for anything more? Completely uninterested.

I’d also recommend we root out whichever pro scout that survived the management change who keeps suggesting him.

 

[Big Muddy]

This is not the path to go down imo. Please, set your sights a little higher.

Yes, what we really need is a legit top 4 RD. I think we could go with JBD as the 3rd pair RD if we had to. He is improving over time and will continue to get better with experience I'd think.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Yes, what we really need is a legit top 4 RD. I think we could go with JBD as the 3rd pair RD if we had to. He is improving over time and will continue to get better with experience I'd think.

Ya, I don't think we need to be signing a guy for 3-3.5 to play on the 3rd pairing. Personally, no interest in Dumba in any other role.