Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

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Let's just embrace the LD depth of Chabot, Sanderson, and Chychrun, ala Tampa Bay.

Especially since they all seem to be at least moderately injury prone.
We have maximum 1 year of that, the only reason they were able to do it was because Sergachev was signed at 4.5 million, and they had to trade away McD at only 6.7 a year before Sergachev's 8.5 even kicked in because they can't have that much money tied up on the left side.
 
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We have maximum 1 year of that, the only reason they were able to do it was because Sergachev was signed at 4.5 million, and they had to trade away McD at only 6.7 a year before Sergachev's 8.5 even kicked in because they can't have that much money tied up on the left side.
Dude I don’t get your posts or those like it. It’s not the “left side” it’s our top 4. He’s playing the right side. Stop with this “left side” it’s LHDs. One of which will play the right side.

It’s a commitment of 30M on our top 4. It’s not bad.
 
Dude I don’t get your posts or those like it. It’s not the “left side” it’s our top 4. He’s playing the right side. Stop with this “left side” it’s LHDs. One of which will play the right side.

It’s a commitment of 30M on our top 4. It’s not bad.
30 would be very bad, it would be more than every team in the league

Seeing it was specifically stated "embrace the LD" and compared to Tampa who won the cup with a strong left side D of
Hedman7.8 mil - xxx
Sergachev 4.8 mil - xxx
McD 6.7 mil - xxx

It makes sense it was meant to copy what Tampa did, not what the Sens have already tried to do.

And paying Chychrun big money to play on the right side would be a terrible decision, which I think would be pretty universally agreed upon
 
It is bad, it's more than every team in the league....and seeing it was specifically stated "embrace the LD" and compared to Tampa who won the cup with a strong left side D of Hedman
7.8 mil - xxx
Sergachev 4.8 mil - xxx
McD 6.7 mil - xxx

And paying Chychrun to play on the right side would be a terrible decision
It’s a terrible decision bc we failed to develop and identify young defenceman and we are choosing for better or worse to buy our way out of our failure. Make no mistake, shipping a LHD would not solve our problem. We would still need to buy another D or two.

It is more. Yes. So the expectation is for the core 4 on D to be one of the top units. Which I think can happen.
 
Dude I don’t get your posts or those like it. It’s not the “left side” it’s our top 4. He’s playing the right side. Stop with this “left side” it’s LHDs. One of which will play the right side.

It’s a commitment of 30M on our top 4. It’s not bad.
You want a good top 4 right?
 
It’s a terrible decision bc we failed to develop and identify young defenceman and we are choosing for better or worse to buy our way out of our failure. Make no mistake, shipping a LHD would not solve our problem. We would still need to buy another D or two.

It is more. Yes. So the expectation is for the core 4 on D to be one of the top units. Which I think can happen.
We have watched Chychrun struggle all season on the right side, signing him longterm on what will need to be a large contract makes very little sense. We don't need Chabot and Chychrun, they play the role, and both cost a ton. One of them needs to go, and everything we are seeing points to it being Chcyhrun as the guy that is/should likely to be on the move

We absolutely need to pickup a RD top play on the 2nd pair, that's for the draft/UFA period
 
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30 would be very bad, it would be more than every team in the league

Seeing it was specifically stated "embrace the LD" and compared to Tampa who won the cup with a strong left side D of
Hedman7.8 mil - xxx
Sergachev 4.8 mil - xxx
McD 6.7 mil - xxx

It makes sense it was meant to copy what Tampa did, not what the Sens have already tried to do.

And paying Chychrun big money to play on the right side would be a terrible decision, which I think would be pretty universally agreed upon

Those 3 cost 19.3M when the cap was 81.5M, which is 24% of the cap

If we were to re-sign Chychrun for 8M and spend 24M on our 3 LD in 2025/26 when the cap will probably be around 90M, that's 27% of the cap.

And that's with them bridging Sergachev instead of locking him up long-term like we did with Sanderson, which led to them having to overpay him on his second deal. Had we bridged Sanderson the % would be about the same.

I don't think money is the reason why we should trade Chychrun, it's more about the fact that he's a OFD prone to brainfarts that is somewhat redundant with Chabot already occupying that role, and may be blocking Kleven who I'm hopeful will be able to lock down the 3rd pairing LD spot long-term.
 
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Build from the goal out. We need to get a stable top 6 D core and then worry about adding F depth at deadlines.
 
I believe the four we have now can be a top unit in the league with adequate coaching. Which we are seeing now. This is my rationale for my thoughts.
A player doesn't have to make 8m to be a top 4. It's 3 pairs. They have to play well as a pair. There is only so much space on the pp and pk too. If we're bringing in an 8m rd, then we don't need Chabot OR Chychrun. We got Sanderson and Zub that work. Keep Chabot/Chychrun, I don't care which they're the same player, and get a guy that compliments them. If you want an 8m rd, ship them both out and get a whole new second pair. This fixation on needing to have four d at 8m or they aren't top four d is insane. Many people are going on about this. It's about proper balance and slotting. Forcing something that doesn't fit is what has been going on with this team for years. The same with trading picks. People are try to solve problems the way PD did. It's not anyones fault. Just been exposed to bad descions for so long people forget what good ones are. Break the chains!
 
Those 3 cost 19.3M when the cap was 81.5M, which is 24% of the cap

If we were to re-sign Chychrun for 8M and spend 24M on our 3 LD in 2025/26 when the cap will probably be around 90M, that's 27% of the cap.

And that's with them bridging Sergachev instead of locking him up long-term like we did with Sanderson, which led to them having to overpay him on his second deal. Had we bridged Sanderson the % would be about the same.

I don't think money is the reason why we should trade Chychrun, it's more about the fact that he's a OFD prone to brainfarts that is somewhat redundant with Chabot already occupying that role, and may be blocking Kleven who I'm hopeful will be able to lock down the 3rd pairing LD spot long-term.
If we're able to use millions on LTIR to help us stack our lineups, that would be a huge boon as well, but the playoff lineups the Lightning used were well above the cap. 9.5 for Kucherov for free one year. They were playing well over the salary cap, 90+ million one year, that were only able to be built because of their manipulation of the LTIP with Kucherov and a few others

The year they won without the additional 10 million Sergachev was only 800k, were spending ~14 million on LD. The year they made 19.3 their playoff lineup was 91+ million, and was only able to be formed because Kucherov missed the entire season and the played the LTIR system.

Absolutely, there is no need for both guys in the lineup, they both occupy the same role, and become redundant on the same team
 
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A player doesn't have to make 8m to be a top 4. It's 3 pairs. They have to play well as a pair. There is only so much space on the pp and pk too. If we're bringing in an 8m rd, then we don't need Chabot OR Chychrun. We got Sanderson and Zub that work. Keep Chabot/Chychrun, I don't care which they're the same player, and get a guy that compliments them. If you want an 8m rd, ship them both out and get a whole new second pair. This fixation on needing to have four d at 8m or they aren't top four d is insane. Many people are going on about this. It's about proper balance and slotting. Forcing something that doesn't fit is what has been going on with this team for years. The same with trading picks. People are try to solve problems the way PD did. It's not anyones fault. Just been exposed to bad descions for so long people forget what good ones are. Break the chains!
Well, to be fair, this became a hotter topic because of Bruce's piece on Dumba last night.

I doubt anyone is excited about that as our top 4 addition, especially, if a far superior player in Chychrun is out as part of it, and that's even accounting for him being on his off side. If Dumba is the top 4 piece, talk about striking out.
 
Well, to be fair, this became a hotter topic because of Bruce's piece on Dumba last night.

I doubt anyone is excited about that as our top 4 addition, especially, if a far superior player in Chychrun is out as part of it, and that's even accounting for him being on his off side. If Dumba is the top 4 piece, talk about striking out.
I don't mean dumba. Cheaper doesn't mean bad.
 
I agree, but I think it got everyone on edge. I just hope it's Bruce speculating only.
True. It's just the general talk that we must spend 8m or whatever on a rd. Whatever happens with Chabot/Chychrun, we will have two 8m D in Sanderson and one of the others. We need support players. Not another number 1 D. Know what I mean?
 
We have maximum 1 year of that, the only reason they were able to do it was because Sergachev was signed at 4.5 million, and they had to trade away McD at only 6.7 a year before Sergachev's 8.5 even kicked in because they can't have that much money tied up on the left side.

Chabot $8,000,000 x 4 years
Sanderson $8,050,000 x 8 years
Chychrun $4,600,000 x 1 year
Zub $4,600,000 x 3 years

Total : $25,250,000

I don't see the big deal. Chychrun should get a 2.5 raise at most. If he wants more than 7.1, trade him, as simple as that

Like you say on your next post, it's very possible that he gets traded anyway and then they have to find another Zub to finally balance out that LHD vs RHD thing. Not really sure what was Dorion's plan anyway (assuming he had one)

Ridtolaijen???????

He’s f***ing brutal man. Like truly brutal

Rasmus Ristolainen has been trending in the right direction since last season but that Ristolainen + Laughton for Chabot proposal is God awful for Ottawa

Chabot is quickly becoming one of the most under-appreciated players in the league

Chabot. He’s part of the culture here.he’s our Kyle Lowry.

Trade Chychryn to Winnipeg for 2 x 1st round picks and use those picks and smart space to acquire a top pairing RD for Sandy - Chabot plays with Zub and sort out that bottom positing with 2 legit NHL Dman

Chabot is clearly better offensively and defensively at ES. Chychrun is one of the best goal scoring D-men in the league which might skew people's views.
 
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True. It's just the general talk that we must spend 8m or whatever on a rd. Whatever happens with Chabot/Chychrun, we will have two 8m D in Sanderson and one of the others. We need support players. Not another number 1 D. Know what I mean?
I do know what you mean, yes. I just want competency first and foremost, and in the context of Bruce's piece, I'd rather take my lumps with an 8 mil Chychrun on the right over a 4 mil Dumba. But neither is ideal if they can find a better solution. I'd be fine with bringing in Dumba for the bottom pairing, but he'll be paid way too much for that.

I'd prefer something in the mold of Weegar. Paid well, more than just a support player, but not on an 8-10 mil contract. Probably too lofty expectations.
 
The main thing with dumba is he’s not supposed to be the best guy on his pairing. He’s been playing with Dermott. And Dermott is not an nhl caliber player. He’s really really bad at the nhl level. Dumba was really good when paired with Brodin. His game is terribly suited to carrying dead weight. He needs a partner who can actually move the puck and make decisions at nhl pace and be in the right spot on the ice.

I don’t want to add a player who needs Chabot or Sanderson to elevate him to be passable. I want someone who can be the puzzle piece they need to reach another level. Dumba has been declining for a while and was never a great decision maker to begin with. We just need a simple meat a potatoes player to pair with these guys.

I’ll be happy to let another team experiment and see whether they can rekindle Dumba.
 
I do know what you mean, yes. I just want competency first and foremost, and in the context of Bruce's piece, I'd rather take my lumps with an 8 mil Chychrun on the right over a 4 mil Dumba. But neither is ideal if they can find a better solution. I'd be fine with bringing in Dumba for the bottom pairing, but he'll be paid way too much for that.

I'd prefer something in the mold of Weegar. Paid well, more than just a support player, but not on an 8-10 mil contract. Probably too lofty expectations.
Yes. We need to find it. End of season/playoffs more staff from other teams will be available. I'm interested to see what happens with the scouting department.
 
I agree, but I think it got everyone on edge. I just hope it's Bruce speculating only.

Nobody told Bruce that his rumour buddy now works as a sous-chef at Gabriel’s pizza, still circulating old rumour.

Dumba is a dumbass move before TDL. If he comes cheaper as a UFA, then it’s something to look into. Prefer Roy type RDs though.
 
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Yes. We need to find it. End of season/playoffs more staff from other teams will be available. I'm interested to see what happens with the scouting department.
Yes, hopefully major gains are made in the pro scouting department.
Nobody told Bruce that his rumour buddy now works as a sous-chef at Gabriel’s pizza, still circulating old rumour.

Dumba is a dumbass move before TDL. If he comes cheaper as a UFA, then it’s something to look into. Prefer Roy type RDs though.
Lol, hopefully that's it, he's just out of the loop now, but it did concern me a little that Dumba may be on their radar. 2 mil for bottom pairing is my offer. More money and it's too much for the bottom pairing, and I don't want him in the top 4 no matter what he makes.
 
Yes, hopefully major gains are made in the pro scouting department.

Lol, hopefully that's it, he's just out of the loop now, but it did concern me a little that Dumba may be on their radar. 2 mil for bottom pairing is my offer. More money and it's too much for the bottom pairing, and I don't want him in the top 4 no matter what he makes.
I don't want him at all. Lol
 

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