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BonHoonLayneCornell said:
I'd rather keep Chychrun on the right than go after Dumba.
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Overall Chychrun is much better than Dumba. Chychrun is a legit top 4 D.. even with some short comings defensively.
I think Dumba is a bottom pair D at this point and he's paid too much for that.
Same money I would take him over Hamonic. I would not trade JBD for Dumba because JBD is trending up and Dumba is trending down. We need to do better than Dumba. We need someone that can play in the top 4 and be reliable.

Pro scouting needs to be addressed in Ottawa imo. If these guys are scanning the league and coming up with Dumba.. true he is an option out there but not a good one. Maybe Bruce is just full of it anyway on this.
 
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BondraTime said:
Dumba is a bad, bad D who is getting worse quickly.

Would legit rather sign a bottom of the barrel UFA for a year for cheap.

Chych at 8 on the Right can’t be a thing. Doesn’t need to be one or the other. Just do neither.

Putting that slot and 4 million into Dumba would be horrible for the Sens as a team.
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Admittedly I haven't watched aritthis year, shocker I know.

Point was more about it not being just Dumba but him plus opportunity to add elsewhere

So, he's another Hamonic at this point, pass.
 
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2 people that really needs to be off this Team are Kubalik (asap) and Chychrun (or just make him a forward)
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Pretty sure Kubalik would be gone if we could give him away. Likely we have to pay teams to take him now and at that point we may as well keep him. Maybe someone has some injuries before the deadline, or we can include him as a dump in a bigger deal.
 
ottawagm said:
Pretty sure Kubalik would be gone if we could give him away. Likely we have to pay teams to take him now and at that point we may as well keep him. Maybe someone has some injuries before the deadline, or we can include him as a dump in a bigger deal.
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He should not be dressed anymore. He will bring more value to us sitting on the sidelines
 
I don’t think many of you watched Dumba play last year and this one. I’m a fan so I watch him. He’s severely slept on.

And to those who write up how much better demo is I look forward to seeing his caphit this summer when he hits free agency. The guy is good. But he’s a 4/5 on a deeper defensive team. Not the 2/3 on Arizona.

Dumba is severely slept on. And whomever signs him if they have a strong cast to support will reap many rewards.

I’d still rather keep chych

Micklebot said:
What would Dumba cost to extend, maybe 4 mil, possibly less if we give him some term?

If Chychrun is going to cost 8 or something close to it, and you can have Dumba at 4 along with someone else at 4, does than change things?
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I think 3x3 is a good deal for Dumba and allows you to keep chych at 7.5 for 8.

Those are the correct moves here.

Move Branny and hammer and you can make it work.
 
Micklebot said:
What would Dumba cost to extend, maybe 4 mil, possibly less if we give him some term?

If Chychrun is going to cost 8 or something close to it, and you can have Dumba at 4 along with someone else at 4, does than change things?
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Not for me, personally, but certainly cost is a factor. I don't want to nickel and dime it expecting similar results though. If we're being realistic, even with Chychrun out of position, it would be downgrading the player significantly.
Sens of Anarchy said:
Overall Chychrun is much better than Dumba. Chychrun is a legit top 4 D.. even with some short comings defensively.
I think Dumba is a bottom pair D at this point and he's paid too much for that.
Same money I would take him over Hamonic. I would not trade JBD for Dumba because JBD is trending up and Dumba is trending down. We need to do better than Dumba. We need someone that can play in the top 4 and be reliable.

Pro scouting needs to be addressed in Ottawa imo. If these guys are scanning the league and coming up with Dumba.. true he is an option out there but not a good one. Maybe Bruce is just full of it anyway on this.
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I agree. Chychrun or no Chychrun, Dumba is not the answer. He's the PD bargain bin type solution, not something this team should be expected to thrive with, imo.

I 100% re-sign Chychrun, even at 8x8, before I go down the road of what I would consider a non solution and significant quality of player downgrade.
 
Staois is gonna f*** ip a good thing bc of his own ego. But the correct move is keeping chych. 3 LDs give you flexibility.

You can make your move for a RD when the time is right. You can have a top 4 d with a discount at 7.5 and he plays his offside. Like many do.

I have to say staois’s obsession with moving a D is already making me dislike him.
 
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BrawlFan said:
Staois is gonna f*** ip a good thing bc of his own ego. But the correct move is keeping chych. 3 LDs give you flexibility.

You can make your move for a RD when the time is right. You can have a top 4 d with a discount at 7.5 and he plays his offside. Like many do.

I have to say staois’s obsession with moving a D is already making me dislike him.
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I don't see it as ego .. you may not agree with his ideas of roster construction. If the intent is to move on from Chychrun and in the same or a corresponding to improve the Right side D to run a solid top 4 on both sides I have zero issue with that concept.
The Sens are missing 1 legit top 4 RD. They'll have to pay for that player. The money allocation changes from paying 3 LD and 1 RD to paying 2 LD and 2 RD.
 
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Sens of Anarchy said:
I don't see it as ego .. you may not agree with his ideas of roster construction. If the intent is to move on from Chychrun and in the same or a corresponding to improve the Right side D to run a solid top 4 on both sides I have zero issue with that concept.
The Sens are missing 1 legit top 4 RD. They'll have to pay for that player. The money allocation changes from paying 3 LD and 1 RD to paying 2 LD and 2 RD.
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It's not ego, it's being smart
 
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BrawlFan said:
Dumba isn’t bad in his own end. He just isn’t physical or offensive anymore. He’s just like a dimelo. But can log big minutes and who knows maybe sometimes he can be meaner. I’d take him in a heartbeat. Don’t believe the narrative. He is good. Give him a watch.
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Dumba has been extremely physical lately. He had a slow start to the season and Yotes fans were frustrated for the first couple of months. Since then, he’s been good. And has been a menace physically. His hit volume isn’t that high, but he’s been throwing monster hits and getting opposing teams rattled and off their games. He still gets booed every time he touches the puck in Dallas. That’s the kind of impact he had in the playoffs. They still haven’t forgotten.
 
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Dumba is bad, the thought of adding him, at term no less, is nauseating

For a team that needs a steady defensive, no mistake presence on the 2nd pairing, Dumba is literally one of the last D they should be looking at
 
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Bileur said:
Card matches the eye test for me



I’d take Demelo over him easily.
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The main thing with dumba is he’s not supposed to be the best guy on his pairing. He’s been playing with Dermott. And Dermott is not an nhl caliber player. He’s really really bad at the nhl level. Dumba was really good when paired with Brodin. His game is terribly suited to carrying dead weight. He needs a partner who can actually move the puck and make decisions at nhl pace and be in the right spot on the ice.
 
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We also need to replace Kubalik and Kastelic with players that can PK so Giroux doesn't have to play so much.
 
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Sens of Anarchy said:
I don't see it as ego .. you may not agree with his ideas of roster construction. If the intent is to move on from Chychrun and in the same or a corresponding to improve the Right side D to run a solid top 4 on both sides I have zero issue with that concept.
The Sens are missing 1 legit top 4 RD. They'll have to pay for that player. The money allocation changes from paying 3 LD and 1 RD to paying 2 LD and 2 RD.
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Yes that is ultimately it and that is the function of the board obviously as well. I get that.

And if a player thst is better than chych that we acquire then I would not be so hesitant. I just believe that will not happen. The reasons being:
1) chychs age being 26
2) he likely will take a more team friendly deal
3) that he has a physical edge that either a player has or doesn’t. Cannot be trained.

Do I see a comparable RHD player coming back? Unlikely. Meaning we are going to come out lesser on the exchange. When we have a LHD who can play right just fine and the team is winning.

I see it as a luxury. That staois seems unwilling or unable to even consider other than shopping him quite hard.

Like how have you not even engaged in a convo with tank about extending? What else are you doing? Not a single trade has happened. Why wouldn’t even a convo have been had yet? We crown this guy but he has already been questionable IMO

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Dumba has been extremely physical lately. He had a slow start to the season and Yotes fans were frustrated for the first couple of months. Since then, he’s been good. And has been a menace physically. His hit volume isn’t that high, but he’s been throwing monster hits and getting opposing teams rattled and off their games. He still gets booed every time he touches the puck in Dallas. That’s the kind of impact he had in the playoffs. They still haven’t forgotten.
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Exactly. Whoever gets him as a 4/5 is gonna be happy. He’s the guy we need. We keep chych and sign him. You have a solid solid D corps that has depth.
 
I like Dumba but I don’t think he has much value. Maybe a 3rd round pick? Arizona is honestly swimming in picks and can’t possibly sign all of them. So I don’t know what a good fit would be? Is there a player swap to be had? I get the impression you’re all sick of Kastelic. Does that make sense?
 
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I like Dumba but I don’t think he has much value. Maybe a 3rd round pick? Arizona is honestly swimming in picks and can’t possibly sign all of them. So I don’t know what a good fit would be? Is there a player swap to be had? I get the impression you’re all sick of Kastelic. Does that make sense?
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Dumba 3.9M for Brannstrom+Kubalik 4.5M.

That is close to cap and salary neutral when you factor in that it is 2 bodies for 1, and Arizona would send a 2-way contract down to make room for Kubalik. Sending down a 2 way contract bridges the 600k gap.

Gives Arizona a chance to test drive Brannstrom and either qualify him or let him walk. The same with Ottawa and Dumba.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
Dumba 3.9M for Brannstrom+Kubalik 4.5M.

That is close to cap and salary neutral when you factor in that it is 2 bodies for 1, and Arizona would send a 2-way contract down to make room for Kubalik. Sending down a 2 way contract bridges the 600k gap.

Gives Arizona a chance to test drive Brannstrom and either qualify him or let him walk. The same with Ottawa and Dumba.
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Excuse me, why are we divesting assets at the deadline for a UFA?
 
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rt said:
I like Dumba but I don’t think he has much value. Maybe a 3rd round pick? Arizona is honestly swimming in picks and can’t possibly sign all of them. So I don’t know what a good fit would be? Is there a player swap to be had? I get the impression you’re all sick of Kastelic. Does that make sense?
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I think he will likely be dealt to the leafs with no help and will be in the same UFA spot he was last year.

Hence why I think the sens should trade for him. 3x3-3.5 is a good deal for both parties. Chych for 7.5 and you have a really good defensive corps.

Sandy (8) - Zub (4.6)
Chabby(8) - Chych (7.5)
Kleven (1) - Dumba (3.5)
JBD (1)

It can withstand injuries and you have flexibility along with a deep deep D. Plus it’s much meaner.

It’ll cost you a tank but that’s okay. He can sign for a cup and come back if he wants to win some lol
 
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