Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Burrowsaurus]

When chabot brough that backhand back I KNew it wasn’t leaving the zone

 

[Ouroboros]

Somebody in Ottawa's pro scouting department must think Matt Dumba is an amazing player or something. They've been obsessed with this guy for years now.

 

[DrEasy]

Somebody in Ottawa's pro scouting department must think Matt Dumba is an amazing player or something. They've been obsessed with this guy for years now.

Our scouts are dumba.

 

[HSF]

i really hope we keep chychrun

 

[Masked]

Somebody in Ottawa's pro scouting department must think Matt Dumba is an amazing player or something. They've been obsessed with this guy for years now.

Or Garrioch is speculating instead of being passed information.

 

[Bileur]

Dumba isn’t bad in his own end. He just isn’t physical or offensive anymore. He’s just like a dimelo. But can log big minutes and who knows maybe sometimes he can be meaner. I’d take him in a heartbeat. Don’t believe the narrative. He is good. Give him a watch.

Card matches the eye test for me



I’d take Demelo over him easily.

 

[TheNewEra]

Somebody in Ottawa's pro scouting department must think Matt Dumba is an amazing player or something. They've been obsessed with this guy for years now.

This is where Sean Tierney needs to punch these scouts

 

[DJB]

Or Garrioch is speculating instead of being passed information.

I do think it’s the former.

Now that Dorion is gone Bruce isn’t being gifted information anymore.

 

[BondraTime]

Dumba may be the last thing we want on the right side.

Makes very, very little sense.

I guess you could pair him with Sanderson and let him take the offensive role, but he's definitely not helping Chabot/Chychrun.

Even then, he's not great offensively, nor defensively...makes zero sense

 

[Big Muddy]

I do think it’s the former.

Now that Dorion is gone Bruce isn’t being gifted information anymore.

I'm hoping it's just Bruce guessing and hoping to stay relevant. I'd prefer something better than Dumba.

 

[BrawlFan]

Card matches the eye test for me



I’d take Demelo over him easily.

Then take Dimelo. But point is both are basically the same. Dimelo wouldn’t be putting up amazing stars in Arizona. And Dumba would have better figured in Peg.

Here Dumba would be a 4/5. That’s perfect for his stage. He’s not a bad defensive player. He’s just one dimensional. And eats more minutes than Dimelo with a mean streak we can try and ignite.

Easily take him.

 

[Big Muddy]

How's this for a deal between now and the deadline?

To Columbus:
Kubalik
Brannstrom

To Ottawa:
Peeke
Texier

The main motivation for CBJ here would be to get out of Peeke's final two years by taking on Kubalik's expiring contract. We would be taking a bit of a risk with 2 more years of Peeke at $2.75M but the hope would be that his simple more defensive-leaning/stay at home style can stabilize a pairing with either Chabot or Chychrun. Ultimately, it would bring balance to our pairings by moving LD Brannstrom out for RD Peeke in without it costing an arm and a leg in assets or cap space.

Brannstrom and Texier are included so that forwards and defenseman stay balanced before and after the trade (Columbus doesn't really have room for more forwards otherwise). Both guys are in a similar situation being on expiring RFA contracts and having their development stall a little bit after being hyped/having some pedigree as a prospect. I could see both players possibly benefit from a change of scenery. Texier could play center or wing and plays a complimentary game that can slot in anywhere from the 2nd to 4th line. Columbus also has the opposite problem than we do in that they have more RD on their roster than LD, so they also create more balance by moving out a RD to bring in a LD.

Lastly, cap hits are almost equal, we would shed $225k in the deal for this year. However, the biggest cap implication as mentioned (and likely most important to consider) is Peeke's 2 remaining years after this one at $2.75M.

I'd think the Jackets would just move Texier in a separate deal if they had some reason to want to move him. The trade as you proposed is good for Ottawa. But, I don't see CBJ particularly motivated by Brannstrom & Kubalik.

 

[BondraTime]

Wouldn't take Dumba for a short, cheap UFA deal.

Guy is no good, at any aspect of the game.

Would not help the Sens whatsoever

And Demelo is playing 2 more minutes a game than him

 

[Big Muddy]

To Cal: Chychrun LD (25 yrs old, 2 yrs @ $4.6)
To Ott: Andersson RD (27 yrs old, 3 yrs at $4.55)

To NYR: Tarasenko RW ($3 mil out) (Ott retains $2 mil)
To Ott: NYR 1st rd pick

To Jackets: Kubalik LW & Brannstrom LD ($4.5 out)
To Ottawa: Roslovic RW ($4 in)

Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Joseph - Stutzle - Giroux
Greig - Pinto - Roslovic
Kelly - Kastelic - MacEwan

Chabot - Zub
Sanderson - Andersson
Kleven - JBD/Hamonic

I'm not sure the Flames are moving Andersson. He seems like a player they'd want to keep.

 

[Big Muddy]

Keep all 4 of our main dmen and fill out the two RD spots

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-X
Chychrun-X

Getting Demelo and trading for someone competent like a Tvr solves the problem too while making sure we have someone elite on the ice always. That being said I would consider trading Chychrun if he wants a stupid number for his extension

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Demelo
Chychrun-TVR

Maybe this info would be useful? You'd probably have around $40k of cap wiggle room with that roster. Demelo was given a small 5% raise. Pinto would need a new contract and they'd need to sign a 2nd/3rd line winger (Joseph's contract was used as the contract comparable). It would be pretty tight no matter how you play around with numbers, etc. I'd think.

 

[Bileur]

Then take Dimelo. But point is both are basically the same. Dimelo wouldn’t be putting up amazing stars in Arizona. And Dumba would have better figured in Peg.

Here Dumba would be a 4/5. That’s perfect for his stage. He’s not a bad defensive player. He’s just one dimensional. And eats more minutes than Dimelo with a mean streak we can try and ignite.

Easily take him.

They’re not at all the same though.

Demelo is consistently one of the highest rated players in his own end in the league. He does his job with good IQ and getting in the way and throwing a wet blanket on offensive chances. He’s also an expert at playing a support role to a high skill partner like Chabot or Sanderson. That’s his role right now paired with Morrissey. Heck we even know he’s got good chemistry playing that role with Chabot. He plays top pair and is playing more than Dumba this season. +/- is what it is but he’s been good compared to his teammates his whole career. He’s also got about 1 inch and 15 lbs on Dumba (roughly the same size advantage Norris has on Greig).

Dumba is a high risk defender who makes bad decisions. He relied on skating and agression earlier in his career which covered up his lack of size. Now he’s a Greig sized defender guy who has lost a step and still makes poor decisions. There’s a reason he’s consistently rated extremely poorly in his own end. He does have a physical instincts but earlier in his career they depended a lot on converting speed to power to make big hits, he’s going to lose that moving forward. From a standstill he isn’t bullying anyone. +/- is what it is but he’s been bad compared to his teammates the last two years. He’s fit and can play a lot but so was and could Zaitsev, you need good results in your minutes.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Then take Dimelo. But point is both are basically the same. Dimelo wouldn’t be putting up amazing stars in Arizona. And Dumba would have better figured in Peg.

Here Dumba would be a 4/5. That’s perfect for his stage. He’s not a bad defensive player. He’s just one dimensional. And eats more minutes than Dimelo with a mean streak we can try and ignite.

Easily take him.

No that’s the not point. That’s exactly what people are trying to tell you. One is clearly better than the other and they are not the same!

 

[TheNewEra]

Maybe this info would be useful? You'd probably have around $40k of cap wiggle room with that roster. Demelo was given a small 5% raise. Pinto would need a new contract and they'd need to sign a 2nd/3rd line winger (Joseph's contract was used as the contract comparable). It would be pretty tight no matter how you play around with numbers, etc. I'd think.

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That is very helpful thanks. I am generally very happy with the makeup of the team above. I wouldn't worry about carrying the extra forward because with the forward group essentially being locked up it's going to be the same guys minus an injury. So based off the chart I would send Crookshank and Macewen down and sign a 4th liner for 1 million. Should give us 600k more in cap roughly.

Edit and a Hamonic buyout if done would put us at 1.4 million in cap which would allow us to call up any forward/dman we want if needed for an emergency basis. Saying Hamonic buyout for the same reason that we don't need an extra forward. Those 6 dmen will be locked and it's not like it's jbd or bran where we have to account for youth.

Add in someone like a Duclair for that 3 million forward spot and I'm game with rolling that into next year.

Defense looks solid, forwards look good especially if we get some expected growth.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I'd rather keep Chychrun on the right than go after Dumba.

 

[Big Muddy]

That is very helpful thanks. I am generally very happy with the makeup of the team above. I wouldn't worry about carrying the extra forward because with the forward group essentially being locked up it's going to be the same guys minus an injury. So based off the chart I would send Crookshank and Macewen down and sign a 4th liner for 1 million. Should give us 600k more in cap roughly.

Edit and a Hamonic buyout if done would put us at 1.4 million in cap which would allow us to call up any forward/dman we want if needed for an emergency basis. Saying Hamonic buyout for the same reason that we don't need an extra forward. Those 6 dmen will be locked and it's not like it's jbd or bran where we have to account for youth.

Add in someone like a Duclair for that 3 million forward spot and I'm game with rolling that into next year.

Defense looks solid, forwards look good especially if we get some expected growth.

There's always different ways and adjustments that could be made of course.

The spreadsheet roster I posted was 22 players, whereas what you proposed was 21 players I think. When you run a thinner roster, you just need a little luck with the timing of injuries (hopefully don't occur while the team is on a road trip). Nevertheless, that's the approach we've taken this year (reduced roster size) and we've avoided big problems so far.

Buyout is another option (e.g., Hamonic). I've avoided that in my spreadsheets unless someone is calling for one in their post. There's the residual or downstream issues that I try to avoid if possible (as we have seen this year).

Also, as a footnote, Pinto's bridge was just $2.5 m, so if it comes in higher, that's going to squeeze the cap situation if that were to occur.

It will be interesting one way or another to see how Staois handles the cap & roster.

 

[Micklebot]

I'd rather keep Chychrun on the right than go after Dumba.

What would Dumba cost to extend, maybe 4 mil, possibly less if we give him some term?

If Chychrun is going to cost 8 or something close to it, and you can have Dumba at 4 along with someone else at 4, does than change things?

 

[Stutzlaaaa]

Lol, exactly wtf, if it's really true we have have intrest in Dumba it really doesn't bode well for any trade. If the team really can't keep Chychrun and have to trade him it has to be for an upgrade on RD position means a player similair to the level of Chychrun in RD or at least better then Zub right now to really improve the team overall play.

If you're getting a lesser player then Zub who can be a #4 at his best ,you just dont trade Chychrun at this point and just sign/trade for that #4RD in off season. If Chychrun wanta to be highly paid for next contract you have a year to work on that see where does he fits ( with this team or another).

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Dumba's 5v5 metrics are at 6/7 D level on the Coyotes. We don't have access to the same level of metrics as pro teams but and Dumba does have a high rate of Dzone starts but I would not be making any moves for Dumba. He is not good enough to be part of the solution here. If the bar is replacing Hamonic... that list should be very long.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

What would Dumba cost to extend, maybe 4 mil, possibly less if we give him some term?

If Chychrun is going to cost 8 or something close to it, and you can have Dumba at 4 along with someone else at 4, does than change things?

It doesn't for me. A waste of $4M is still a waste of $4M. Dumba is done, IMO. And not the kind of player we need even if he returns to form.

Problem is that RD are so hard to find that we might not find better (for a reasonable price).

 

[BondraTime]

What would Dumba cost to extend, maybe 4 mil, possibly less if we give him some term?

If Chychrun is going to cost 8 or something close to it, and you can have Dumba at 4 along with someone else at 4, does than change things?

Dumba is a bad, bad D who is getting worse quickly.

Would legit rather sign a bottom of the barrel UFA for a year for cheap.

Chych at 8 on the Right can’t be a thing. Doesn’t need to be one or the other. Just do neither.

Putting that slot and 4 million into Dumba would be horrible for the Sens as a team.