Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[bicboi64]

Chychrun for Karlsson in the off-season: which side says no?

Chychrun, Korpi would be in the deal, but we'd have to add another player to make the salary work.

Maybe Dubas helps us out and retains EK lol

 

[Hale The Villain]

Chychrun for Karlsson in the off-season: which side says no?

Sens

Karlsson had the value of an expected mid-late 1st coming off of a 100 point Norris winning season.

He's not going to be worth more this off-season should the Pens decide to rebuild, while Chychrun should easily return a mid-late 1st + more.

I'm open to the idea of adding Karlsson, but Chabot would need to be the guy going the other way, not Chychrun.

If we're adding EK there's no spot for Chabot on either PP, let alone the top unit, and that's the only way he can put up big numbers and possibly justify his 8M cap hit and 9.2M average salary.

If the Pens want to get younger, I'd look at something based around Chabot for EK + Joseph.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Not popular opinion but Chabot is the dman I would trade. He's still below avg defensively, doesn't even shoot anymore with his muffin shot and tell me the last time he won a board battle? I don't see him getting better. He's a great puck transporter and passer. That is not worth 8 mil a season. Try and sign Chychrun long term and move Chabot.

Chabby is better than Chychurn, he’s Chychurn is -12 and Chabby a +6 on the same team. Chychurn has a better shot that’s about it.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Not popular opinion but Chabot is the dman I would trade. He's still below avg defensively, doesn't even shoot anymore with his muffin shot and tell me the last time he won a board battle? I don't see him getting better. He's a great puck transporter and passer. That is not worth 8 mil a season. Try and sign Chychrun long term and move Chabot.

He's been this player for several seasons now.

Without getting fed top PP time alongside great offensive players he's a lazy 30-40P defenseman that is below average defensively.

With Chychrun I at least have some hope that he could defend well once the team gets a solid defensive system in place, but I have no hope that Chabot can do the same. Just too lazy and inattentive.

 

[SensFactor]

Chabby is better than Chychurn, he’s Chychurn is -12 and Chabby a +6 on the same team. Chychurn has a better shot that’s about it.

Plus, minus isn't everything. Chychrun can put up better points and although not perfect at least has a higher compete level than Chabot. Chabot is soft, and plays soft. He doesn't use his frame to protect the puck and a team with a solid forecheck will make him cough up the puck 80% of the time. To me, Chychrun has much higher value than Chabot. Only thing we have with Chabot is term on his contract. If the rumblings of shaking up the core this summer are true, i'd be fixated on Chabot as a prime candidate.

 

[BondraTime]

The team gets much worse if we replace Chabot with Chychrun.

Don’t think there’s a team in the league, including Ottawa, that would rather Chychrun over Chabot at the same price give or take.

 

[GCK]

So what you're saying is we're keeping his next contract team friendly by playing him on the right side.

Lol

 

[Micklebot]

Plus, minus isn't everything. Chychrun can put up better points and although not perfect at least has a higher compete level than Chabot. Chabot is soft, and plays soft. He doesn't use his frame to protect the puck and a team with a solid forecheck will make him cough up the puck 80% of the time. To me, Chychrun has much higher value than Chabot. Only thing we have with Chabot is term on his contract. If the rumblings of shaking up the core this summer are true, i'd be fixated on Chabot as a prime candidate.

So, at 5v5 this year

Chabot has better:
CF%
GF%
xGF%
Penalties drawn/60
Hits/60
Giveaways/60
Takeaways/60
Blocks/60

Now, maybe part of that is Chychrun playing his off side more than Chabot has, or who they've played with while apart, I don't feel like doing a deep dive, or think it would make much of a difference in peoples opinions,

I have no issue with the concept of trading Chabot, I just think Chychrun will very quickly replace him as whipping boy,

 

[DrEasy]

So, at 5v5 this year

Chabot has better:
CF%
GF%
xGF%
Penalties drawn/60
Hits/60
Giveaways/60
Takeaways/60
Blocks/60

Now, maybe part of that is Chychrun playing his off side more than Chabot has, or who they've played with while apart, I don't feel like doing a deep dive, or think it would make much of a difference in peoples opinions,

I have no issue with the concept of trading Chabot, I just think Chychrun will very quickly replace him as whipping boy,

Chychrun is already my whipping boy. Just last night on the same PP he had two dangerous giveaways that could have led to shorties. He looks awkward with the puck and without the puck.

I don't think he's a bad player obviously, but he's not a good fit on this team.

 

[DrEasy]

Sens

Karlsson had the value of an expected mid-late 1st coming off of a 100 point Norris winning season.

He's not going to be worth more this off-season should the Pens decide to rebuild, while Chychrun should easily return a mid-late 1st + more.

I'm open to the idea of adding Karlsson, but Chabot would need to be the guy going the other way, not Chychrun.

If we're adding EK there's no spot for Chabot on either PP, let alone the top unit, and that's the only way he can put up big numbers and possibly justify his 8M cap hit and 9.2M average salary.

If the Pens want to get younger, I'd look at something based around Chabot for EK + Joseph.

You might be correct in terms of value that would need to be equalized to make the trade work.

But with the following pairings:

Sanderson - Karlsson
Chabot - Zub
Brannstrom/Kleven - JBD/Hamonic

We could run the top two pairings for most of the game, and our puck possession and transition game would be among the best in the league.

Maybe in a year or so we could even pair Kleven with Karlsson and run three great pairings.

 

[bert]

Chychrun, Korpi would be in the deal, but we'd have to add another player to make the salary work.

Maybe Dubas helps us out and retains EK lol

Chychrun for Karlsson would be one of the worst trades in the history of hockey. Karlsson has negative value with his contract.

Whats with this fanbase and Karlsson is 8 years older than Chychrun he turns 34 this year.... Chychrun is 25.

 

[Alex1234]

Chychrun is already my whipping boy. Just last night on the same PP he had two dangerous giveaways that could have led to shorties. He looks awkward with the puck and without the puck.

I don't think he's a bad player obviously, but he's not a good fit on this team.

Of course he is asked to play his wrong side
Switch Chychrun on his natural side and put Chabot on the right for a year
You will witness the catastrophe on the right side of this blue line since 1907

 

[bert]

I really want them to trade Chabot. Would be massive for the culture in the room and ultimately Chychrun come playoff time will be a better player there is no doubt in my mind. When bigger heavier players get into playoff series and everyone simplifies their games, his simple game is very condusive to elite playoff play. Plus he has a bomb, this team hasnt had a guy with a bomb since Chara.

 

[DrEasy]

Of course he is asked to play his wrong side
Switch Chychrun on his natural side and put Chabot on the right for a year
You will witness the catastrophe on the right side of this blue line since 1907

Neither player should play on his wrong side. Why we brought in an LD when our need was for an RD is a question to ask Morion.

I really want them to trade Chabot. Would be massive for the culture in the room and ultimately Chychrun come playoff time will be a better player there is no doubt in my mind. When bigger heavier players get into playoff series and everyone simplifies their games, his simple game is very condusive to elite playoff play. Plus he has a bomb, this team hasnt had a guy with a bomb since Chara.

There is nothing heavy in the way he plays. Even Brannstrom engages more physically than Chychrun does.

Chychrun does have a great shot; it's not like he's useless, but I'm sure there's a better fit for him somewhere else, on a team with an embarrassment of playmaking forwards and stabilizing defensemen.

 

[BondraTime]

Of course he is asked to play his wrong side
Switch Chychrun on his natural side and put Chabot on the right for a year
You will witness the catastrophe on the right side of this blue line since 1907

You’d get a worse D on the right side and a worse D on the left side. Would be a lose lose.

Only makes sense to have the better left d on the left and the guy with multiple seasons on the right on the right, if you’re forced to put one there.

 

[mysens]

I would rather keep Chabot. He is proving to be a bit more reliable and seems more likable on the team. Chychrun seems unhappy. You can completely see it with his body language. It is so obvious he is not happy not being on the number one PP or pairing. I love the guys shot, his local flavor but I think he does not want to be here unless he is the number one guy. I just can’t get past the idea this guy was the same guy who was a big big problem with his other team before he came to Ottawa. That to me is and was a huge red flag. I say trade the guy.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I am on team Keep Chabot, but no matter where you fall on the debate, it seems fruitless to hope for him to be the one. It is obvious that it will be Chychrun that is getting moved.

 

[Cosmix]

I would keep both Chychrun and Chabot to have the following D:

Chabot - Zub
Chychrun - UFA/Trade
Sanderson - Brannstrom/Big RD

I would spin the RDs to find the best chemistry with the LDs. Give each of the 3 D pairs equal ES ice time, and then use our better Ds for the PP and PK.

The higher cost of the D core would have to come from lower cost 3rd and 4th liners and the backup Goaltender.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Unless there is retention, Karlsson has negative value.

It took one of the best seasons of his career to get him out of San Jose. They had to retain, and they had to take back multiple bad contracts. They got a 1st for and had to give up a 3rd. While that 1st is looking to be a strong pick now, at the time Pittsburgh was expected to be a playoff team.

Chychrun for Karlsson makes zero sense. It would make more sense to trade Chychrun for assets and then do a different trade for Karlsson. Something like Korpisalo (cap dump) and Boston 1st for Karlsson. That would be comparable to the trade they made to acquire him.

I want to see us turn the corner and win, but this season has been the last straw in terms of me having any belief in the way this core was constructed. I think that based on the timing of some of our key players contracts and how long they have had to suffer through this, we're a year away from a major re-tool or rebuild with many players walking or asking out.

It's not what I want, but I think it has a good chance of happening. So with that in mind, I would be all in on bringing Karlsson back just to poison the well and create the most chaos possible, because at least if we're not going to compete and win, we can be an entertaining soap opera off the ice. Like sand in an hour glass, etc.

It's never going to happen. This management is not that stupid. They don't want Brady out. It would be a good way to completely undermine the new leadership core and bring back a ton of baggage.

This isn't a "Karlsson is a monster!" take that we sometimes see on here. It's just common sense. Imagine if your wife tells you that her ex is going to live with you guys from now on, and he had all these rules and rituals that you guys should probably follow. I just don't see it going smoothly, the idea of bringing back the ex-captain with the idea that he is supposed to play nice and let it be someone else's team.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I would rather keep Chabot. He is proving to be a bit more reliable and seems more likable on the team. Chychrun seems unhappy. You can completely see it with his body language. It is so obvious he is not happy not being on the number one PP or pairing. I love the guys shot, his local flavor but I think he does not want to be here unless he is the number one guy. I just can’t get past the idea this guy was the same guy who was a big big problem with his other team before he came to Ottawa. That to me is and was a huge red flag. I say trade the guy.

Chychrun isn’t the number 1 guy anywhere except maybe on…Arizona?

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Chychrun isn’t the number 1 guy anywhere except maybe on…Arizona?

Judging by the amount of interest there was in him last time he was available, I think a lot of teams see him as a very important piece. He might not be a #1 D in the Doughty, Weber, etc type sense, but he is a top pairing D who can QB the top PP unit. He's still playing 22 minutes a night on a team where there isn't a clear path for him to play top pairing minutes or QB a top PP due to LHD being such a position of strength.

The package we gave up for him was not full value. The rumor was that teams were willing to give up more for him but Arizona couldn't maximize the return due to their restrictive budget. They couldn't take back contracts or money.

When you consider the cost to facilitate the trade via dumping Zaitsev to Chicago, Ottawa gave up a 1st, three 2nds, and a 6th round pick. So you have to imagine that the market for Chychrun was reasonably strong and that teams view him as a top pairing defender.

 

[Alex1234]

You’d get a worse D on the right side and a worse D on the left side. Would be a lose lose.

Only makes sense to have the better left d on the left and the guy with multiple seasons on the right on the right, if you’re forced to put one there.

Chabot is impossible to trade
No team will take sleep country at 8 Avv and 10 in real dollars so they have no choice to trade the 4.6 top 4 D

 

[bert]

Chabot is impossible to trade
No team will take sleep country at 8 Avv and 10 in real dollars so they have no choice to trade the 4.6 top 4 D

This is unfortunately the situation. I think they tried trading him this summer and no one would take him. He's done nothing since to improve his trade value.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

This is unfortunately the situation. I think they tried trading him this summer and no one would take him. He's done nothing since to improve his trade value.

We heard absolutely nothing about chabot trying to be traded and Dorion didn’t exactly run a tight ship

 

[bert]

We heard absolutely nothing about chabot trying to be traded and Dorion didn’t exactly run a tight ship

Well some people hear different things I guess.