Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Bruce Garrioch, who writes the most read Sunday column in all of sports reported on one of his many TSN appearances that Chabot was untrade-able without the Sens taking back money. This was sometime around when the Chychrun stuff first came out via Pagnotta and people started having to come to terms with the idea that we'd likely trade one of them.

It isn't exactly hard to believe that Chabot would not have had a market in the summer. It doesn't mean he is David Clarkson bad, it's just the nature of the current salary cap and the lack of flexibility teams have. Chabot is way overpaid in real dollars, and maybe 25 percent overpaid in cap. He is coming off of a few subpar seasons and has never played on a winning team. He's owed an average of 9.5M in real dollars going forward, and he is tied for the 14th largest cap hit amongst all D (6th amongst LHD).

Is he anywhere near the top 20 D in the league, or top 6-10 LHD? Maybe if he puts it all together again, but as of now, he's not there to the point where another GM is going to give up multiple 1st round assets (like with Chychrun) and take on the liability of his contract.

 

[BondraTime]

Chabot is impossible to trade
No team will take sleep country at 8 Avv and 10 in real dollars so they have no choice to trade the 4.6 top 4 D

Chabot absolutely has a contract that isn’t ideal moving forward. They’re stopping themselves from signing a worse player to a comparable contract.

The Sens like one player more than the other, and prefer to play one guy more than the other. They prefer to keep one.

There’s a reason Edmonton pulled out of the Chychrun sweepstakes, and it wasn’t because of his cost.

 

[JD1]

Neither player should play on his wrong side. Why we brought in an LD when our need was for an RD is a question to ask Morion.


There is nothing heavy in the way he plays. Even Brannstrom engages more physically than Chychrun does.

Chychrun does have a great shot; it's not like he's useless, but I'm sure there's a better fit for him somewhere else, on a team with an embarrassment of playmaking forwards and stabilizing defensemen.

Morion. New word. I like it

 

[Alex1234]

Chabot absolutely has a contract that isn’t ideal moving forward. They’re stopping themselves from signing a worse player to a comparable contract.

The Sens like one player more than the other, and prefer to play one guy more than the other. They prefer to keep one.

There’s a reason Edmonton pulled out of the Chychrun sweepstakes, and it wasn’t because of his cost.

A 7th rounder would be a steal at this point

 

[JD1]

Chychrun hits stats

Arizona 485 hits in 373 games

Ottawa 50 hits in 62 games

When we got him, I hadn't seen that much of him. Big strong guy that hit a lot, put up points and was on Team Canada's radar for best on best. That's what I understood

I wonder if he's completely toned it down to stay healthy. Seems like it

 

[BondraTime]

A 7th rounder would be a steal at this point

Hyperbole, but point taken. One of the may reason they are looking to move Chychrun. Would absolutely have to take a contract back for Chabot.

- They like Chabot a lot more, he’s more valuable to the team than Chychrun in the eyes of new management and staff

- They are not huge fans of Chychrun, Staios wasn’t when in Edmonton and he advised not to trade for him

- They get more for the player they like less, because he has a year left before his 8 million contract and is a much more movable asset around the league.

- Speculation on my part, but I highly doubt Chychrun is pleased being the #3 option on the left side. Greener pastures on the horizon with regards to role.

 

[Icelevel]

Apparently forsberg played that last game because someone wanted to see him. Mentioned on 1200 pregame show today.

 

[Matsens15]

I don't like Thomas Chabot's play for multiple reason and I think that if the club wants to move forward, they need to trade him. What value does Chabot have around the league and do you believe it is easier to trade him at the trade deadline or during the summer?

 

[Icelevel]

I don't like Thomas Chabot's play for multiple reason and I think that if the club wants to move forward, they need to trade him. What value does Chabot have around the league and do you believe it is easier to trade him at the trade deadline or during the summer?

Almost doesn’t matter much. If we can get the money off the books and use that to replace him with a solid RD then we win.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

This is being discussed in the trade thread

 

[K1900L]

He certainly isn't worth the money he is making, and any trade partner will know so.

Either trade him just to save the money in order to sign both Chychrun and a solid get-the-job-done-defenseman* for $3-5M in Free Agency.
Or directly trade him for a get-the-job-done-defenseman and use the remaining money on Chychrun.

Ideally you find a team that is looking to add some spice on D, so one might even think about including JBD in order to gain another draft pick.

*basically just another Zub to play with Chychrun

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Whatever value you think he has add a 2nd on top of it to move him

I also read but forgot where it came from that there are rumors of Chychrun not getting along with a bunch of the players on the team?

 

[Very Stable Genius]

This team desperately needs a"f*** you losers" shake-up

 

[mysens]

Whatever value you think he has add a 2nd on top of it to move him

I also read but forgot where it came from that there are rumors of Chychrun not getting along with a bunch of the players on the team?

I heard that as well. I can’t remember who said it though. As a company guy and business owner, these types sooner or later disrupt the core of the group. I want to love the guy. I am really torn on who should go between 72 and 6.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

He certainly isn't worth the money he is making, and any trade partner will know so.

Either trade him just to save the money in order to sign both Chychrun and a solid get-the-job-done-defenseman* for $3-5M in Free Agency.
Or directly trade him for a get-the-job-done-defenseman and use the remaining money on Chychrun.

Ideally you find a team that is looking to add some spice on D, so one might even think about including JBD in order to gain another draft pick.

*basically just another Zub to play with Chychrun

… why not trade Chychrun then? He will return more, cost just as much, and be worse.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

This team desperately needs a"f*** you losers" shake-up

If Sens management wants to do a major roster shakeup one or all of Chabot, Chychrun, Norris, Batherson and Joseph would be shipped out.

Tarasenko and Kubalik are likely gone at the deadline anyways. Sens management wouldn't be committed to either goalie. Brannstrom and Hamonic aren't long term pieces but neither would create a major shakeup if traded.

The problem with the five players I listed is that it becomes complicated in moving them. Joseph is the easiest one to figure out. At the moment his play and contract aren't an issue so moving him would solely be based on changing up the locker room. He would probably get moved for a very similar player in a very lateral move.

Batherson is really inconsistent but his contract is pretty appealing. He has the chance to overperform in his contract, unlike the other players listed. His trade value could be higher given his contract but at the same time other teams will not value him too highly because of the faults in his game. A big forward who is isn't consistently physical or intense, who tends to play a bit more on the perimeter, who is on the weaker side defensively, who is not an elite skater and who is streaky offensively and tends to produce more on the powerplay than even strength. There typically isn't a bidding war for players like that.

Norris is not living up to his contract. He has had some major injuries, he isn't overly big or physical. He isn't that dynamic offensively. He is also not elite defensively. He has the speed, skating and shot though. Any team looking to acquire him would need to debate whether he is better suited on the wing or at center. They would also be betting on him regaining the production he showed in the past. Norris would likely be traded for an older forward with not the greatest contract.

Chychrun is young and has a good contract but his contract expires soon. He has one year left after this and then he is a UFA. Any team looking to acquire him would want to know that he is willing to extend with them long term and would need to feel in contract demands were reasonable. Most teams would likely question is Chychrun a number 1 d man and should he be paid like a number 1 d man? There is an abundance of left shot d in the league so it is quite likely that most teams have a number 1 d man that is a left d already. Most teams would have the same issue Ottawa has run into of having too many top pairing left shot d and either try to force them to play on their off side or look to ship one out.

Chabot has the same issue with regards to the d market. Chabot is also overpaid based on his most recent performance. Given the market price to sign top pairing D men he might end up with a lower cap hit than what Chychrun might get. Chabot has his flaws, he lacks intensity, he isn't overly big, he doesn't have an elite shot in power or accuracy, he is prone to defensive gaffs and weak turnovers. Any team looking to acquire him would bet on him regaining form from a few seasons ago, they would also look to manage their cap and look to give a big contract back.

The big problem for the Sens is that most of these players will require big contracts being shipped back in return. Sens management will need to look for other underperforming players around the league, they will also need to look for teams who are looking to do a major shakeup to the roster. If Sens management flips some of these players for older players in their 30s then they change the window under which they expect to compete. So they could reshape the roster with a number of veterans but that would move them towards a win now kind of dynamic and that requires a fair amount of planning to make sure that it results in a successful outcome.

 

[bert]

Chabot absolutely has a contract that isn’t ideal moving forward. They’re stopping themselves from signing a worse player to a comparable contract.

The Sens like one player more than the other, and prefer to play one guy more than the other. They prefer to keep one.

There’s a reason Edmonton pulled out of the Chychrun sweepstakes, and it wasn’t because of his cost.

Not sure why you like Chabot but he absolutely sucks. You know your hockey this guy may have some talent but his effort levels are beyond pathetic. He does not compete. He shows up to camp every year out of shape, it takes him months to catch up. Or he just gets hurt. It's sad for his talent level. But there's no way they are winning anything with this guy as part of the leadership group.

He's gotta go. They need him out of the room.

 

[not quite yoda]

Would you guys trade the 2024 1st (say 5th overall) nfor 2/3 assets who can help now?

 

[2CHAINZ]

Would you guys trade the 2024 1st (say 5th overall) nfor 2/3 assets who can help now?

I would trade Josh Norris for 2/3 assets who will play in the NHL never.

 

[HSF]

Would you guys trade the 2024 1st (say 5th overall) nfor 2/3 assets who can help now?

no

 

[SensFactor]

Chabot's gotta go

 

[bert]

Would you guys trade the 2024 1st (say 5th overall) nfor 2/3 assets who can help now?

Absolutely not we don't want your trash.

 

[JD1]

What I was saying this year under DJ is no one is winning with that goaltending. 25 games under Jacques and I think that's been proven quite accurate. Things may have tightened up and we may be clogging up the neutral zone when we're up, but we're still not winning enough

There's lots of forwards. The league is about slotting. Put a guy in the right slot, you're gold. Pinto as an example looking to be elite at that 3C level but I'm not sure he could provide elite play at the 2C level. Of all the players we've got, the guy I'm most concerned with in his role is Stuetzle. We're not winning. We're not close to winning and he's the 1C. And he looks like he should be playing in the fairy princess league where touching your opponents is strictly forbidden. Maybe it's an injury driven down season. That's easier to see though on a guy that's in and out like Joseph was last year

On D, there's no way we're going to make Chychrun, Chabot and Sanderson all work financially on the left side and it's not looking good with one of them on the right. The team has to decide on Chabot versus Chychrun. Right now, I'm not huge on either player. Chabot has extreme negative value. That play yesterday on Chicago's winning goal was slap stick comedy. I would trade him for nothing and consider it a steal. I'm not sure Chychrun is a huge upgrade but moving Chychrun would return assets.

Goaltending. Ha. Sogaard hopefully down the line.


Pretty damn discouraging overall

 

[Senovision]

At the trade deadline Steve Staois should just trade our whole team and coaches for the Vancouver Canucks whole team and coaches. And throw in a second round pick!

 

[kilroy]

What I was saying this year under DJ is no one is winning with that goaltending. 25 games under Jacques and I think that's been proven quite accurate. Things may have tightened up and we may be clogging up the neutral zone when we're up, but we're still not winning enough

There's lots of forwards. The league is about slotting. Put a guy in the right slot, you're gold. Pinto as an example looking to be elite at that 3C level but I'm not sure he could provide elite play at the 2C level. Of all the players we've got, the guy I'm most concerned with in his role is Stuetzle. We're not winning. We're not close to winning and he's the 1C. And he looks like he should be playing in the fairy princess league where touching your opponents is strictly forbidden. Maybe it's an injury driven down season. That's easier to see though on a guy that's in and out like Joseph was last year

On D, there's no way we're going to make Chychrun, Chabot and Sanderson all work financially on the left side and it's not looking good with one of them on the right. The team has to decide on Chabot versus Chychrun. Right now, I'm not huge on either player. Chabot has extreme negative value. That play yesterday on Chicago's winning goal was slap stick comedy. I would trade him for nothing and consider it a steal. I'm not sure Chychrun is a huge upgrade but moving Chychrun would return assets.

Goaltending. Ha. Sogaard hopefully down the line.


Pretty damn discouraging overall

You're not wrong, however I just don't see Chych being traded for much value. He has a modified NTC and that will significantly restrict his market and return.