Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[BigRig4]

Any interest in bringing back zaitsev? He’s an elite defender with elite footwork.

I know this is a joke but it triggered a fight or flight response in me.

 

[BUCKLE UP]

It's weird, but I've got a feeling that both Korpi and Forsberg won't be here next season. I also feel a huge trade coming and I'm scared for it.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Zaitsev and Ceci and bring back Guy Boucher.

Also, Tom Pyatt.

You sound like me sitting at the sports bar reminiscing about our glory days.

It's weird, but I've got a feeling that both Korpi and Forsberg won't be here next season. I also feel a huge trade coming and I'm scared for it.

Forsberg will be bought out, buried, or swapped for another contract.

I can't see how we move Korpisalo, unless it's a swap for another misfit goalie who has money and term remaining (Campbell, Grubauer, etc).

I think they try to bring in another goalie and go with a tandem next year. Korpisalo or Forsberg will be the #2 goalie.

Sogaard hasn't shown anything in the NHL, but he will still be waiver exempt next season so they can send him down to the AHL again.

 

[GCK]

It's weird, but I've got a feeling that both Korpi and Forsberg won't be here next season. I also feel a huge trade coming and I'm scared for it.

I’m of the opinion they are both back next year.

 

[Cosmix]

You sound like me sitting at the sports bar reminiscing about our glory days.



Forsberg will be bought out, buried, or swapped for another contract.

I can't see how we move Korpisalo, unless it's a swap for another misfit goalie who has money and term remaining (Campbell, Grubauer, etc).

I think they try to bring in another goalie and go with a tandem next year. Korpisalo or Forsberg will be the #2 goalie.

Sogaard hasn't shown anything in the NHL, but he will still be waiver exempt next season so they can send him down to the AHL again.

Korpisalo at $4M per AAV is not affordable as a backup goaltender. I agree Forsberg is on shaky ground with his injuries.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Korpisalo at $4M per AAV is not affordable as a backup goaltender. I agree Forsberg is on shaky ground with his injuries.

The 4M is a sunk cost.

With that said, by #2 goalie, I don't mean backup in the traditional sense. The league is moving more towards teams using tandems where both goalies play 30+ games.

What I think will happen is that they will identify a goalie and acquire them. They will pair that goalie with Korpisalo, and hope that Korpisalo can bounce back.

I doubt they trust either Korpisalo or Forsberg at this point, but the difference between the two is they have more realistic options to move on from Forsberg because he will only have 1 year left at 2.75M. They could buy him out, trade him for an underperforming skater with a similar cap hit, or possibly trade him with retention. They can technically do all of the above for Korpisalo, but it's a lot less likely that they will find a fit due to his term/money being much higher.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

The FA market is bad for goalies but I mean can they be worse than korpisalo has been? Maybe. And maybe not. But they will definitely be cheaper. Korpisalo buy out plus their contract we probably still save money

 

[Micklebot]

The FA market is bad for goalies but I mean can they be worse than korpisalo has been? Maybe. And maybe not. But they will definitely be cheaper. Korpisalo buy out plus their contract we probably still save money

I kind of wonder if goalies are going to start avoiding signing here until we right the ship, Murray went from multiple time Stanley Cup winner to cap dump requiring retention plus to move, Talbot from all star to having to accept a 1 year, 1 mil contract, Korpisalo from the top goalie UFA on the market to a potential buyout candidate.

Right now, I wouldn't blame goalies for seeing the sens as the team where goalie careers go to die. That's not to absolve these guys of their part in their performance while here, but from an outside perspective not looking closely it's probably in the back of their heads.

 

[Big Muddy]

Trade BOS 1st for Tanev signed 3x5
Keep Chychrun - re-sign next summer at 8 or below.
Dump JBD
Dump Forsberg - bring up Sogaard

I want a deep high end D that can withstand injuries.


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Yes I don't know if Tanev would get $6.5 m either and would likely get paid less than that.

I was just demonstrating what the costs would be for another poster's roster and trying to illustrate where the constraints would be. So, $6.5 m would be the upper limit if the 2nd line winger had a $3 m cap hit. In other words, we have up to $6.5 m to play with for a RD if the 2nd line winger only cost us $3 m.

Soogard would make me a little nervous though. He hasn't exactly been stellar when he's been inserted into the lineup. Hard to say with an improved team D though.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

The FA market is bad for goalies but I mean can they be worse than korpisalo has been? Maybe. And maybe not. But they will definitely be cheaper. Korpisalo buy out plus their contract we probably still save money

There aren't enough goalies to go around at the moment. Most teams have moved more to using tandems, which increased the demand for NHL goalies who can play 30+ games. It is not going to be easy to find a goalie, which is why I think we keep one of Korpisalo and Forsberg. It's not realistic to find two goalies in such a short window.

Korpisalo won't be bought out because they won't want dead money on the books for 8 years. That's a long time.

Going back to my first point, it is why I think there could be a market for Forsberg with cap considerations. Most likely, find a skater who makes 1.5M-2.5M but is not living up to expectations, we trade Forsberg for that skater so it is close to cap neutral for both sides.

A Forsberg buyout is plausible, but it doesn't make a lot of sense. A buyout costs 1.833M over 2 seasons. Burying Forsberg costs 1.6M over 1 season with the upside being the Senators get additional goalie depth, and with Korpisalo being uncertain, it gives them a third goalie in the system who could steal Korpisalo's job.

Merilainen will still be on his ELC next season, so the Senators are entitled to assign him to the ECHL.

NHL
1A (Trade or FA acquisition)
1B (Forsberg or Korpisalo)

AHL
1A (Sogaard)
1B (Forsberg or Korpisalo)

ECHL
Merilainen
Prospect or FA Signing

Not Qualified
Mandolese

Forsberg traded would change that list slightly. Forsberg is more likely to be moved because outside of a very over convoluted trade, I can't see them being able to move Korpisalo.

 

[BrawlFan]

I’d like to keep chych. But here’s my prediction for the deadline.

1) chych goes to blues. We take on Parayko and his 6.5 for 7 years. We get a 1st, 2nd, prospect (B grade)
2) Tanev is interested in ottawa and comes. Ott gives up 2nd, 3rd, Branny
3) tank is traded to Car/Rang/Vegas/Col for a 1st
4) package of firsts are thrown at a young forward

 

[ottawah]

What I think will happen is that they will identify a goalie and acquire them. They will pair that goalie with Korpisalo, and hope that Korpisalo can bounce back.

Yes, well I remember the plan at this time last year ....

"What I think will happen is that they will identify a goalie and acquire them. They will pair that goalie with Forsberg, and hope that Forsberg can bounce back."

OK, a bit tongue in cheek, but that is pretty much what we did last summer and the results are ........

Not that I have an answer mind you, the goaltending market is stretched pretty thin.

 

[BigRig4]

It's weird, but I've got a feeling that both Korpi and Forsberg won't be here next season. I also feel a huge trade coming and I'm scared for it.

I don't know if you can move Korpisalo at this point without massive sweeteners

 

[Wondercarrot]

I’d like to keep chych. But here’s my prediction for the deadline.

1) chych goes to blues. We take on Parayko and his 6.5 for 7 years. We get a 1st, 2nd, prospect (B grade)
2) Tanev is interested in ottawa and comes. Ott gives up 2nd, 3rd, Branny
3) tank is traded to Car/Rang/Vegas/Col for a 1st
4) package of firsts are thrown at a young forward

Sanderson Zub
Chabot Parako
Kleven Tanev

+ An extra 1st and a 2nd.

Ok sign me up. I’m in.

 

[BrawlFan]

Sanderson Zub
Chabot Parako
Kleven Tanev

+ An extra 1st and a 2nd.

Ok sign me up. I’m in.

Well again I think we have to compare what we could have in both scenarios. Also I don’t think you’d want to have both your anchors on D playing together. That pairing would be hella slow. Plus parayako is a semi cap dump for St. Louis so it’s a good moment to snag a guy we can LTIR in the future. Although he has a NMC

But here’s my two scenarios.

Trade Chych

Norris-Pinto-Batherson
Chucky-Stu-G
Joseph-Greig-young forward (2 1sts)
Kelly-Kasty-AHLer

Sanderson-Parayko
Chabot-Zub
Kleven-Tanev

Net in: 2 firsts (we have 2, 2 additional come in, 2 latest picks traded for a forward with upside and cheap salary). (2nd in and 2nd out for chych and Tanev)

Net out: 3rd, Tank, Chych, Branny.

Keep Chych

Chucky-Norris-Batherson
Joseph-Stu-G
Greig-Pinto-UFA
Kelly-Kasty-AHLer

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Chych
Kleven-Tanev

Net in: 3 firsts (2 plus tank)
Net out: 2nd, 3rd, Branny, Tank


Parayko and Chabot become your two anchors for cap.

How does the cap shake down? Well let’s see.

4.5M out for next year

In:
Parayko 6.5M
Tanev approx 3M?
Young forward approx 4.5M

So your cap for next year rises by 9.5M. Without Pinto signed. Cap is tight but team is set. Likely have to move Hammer, JBD, and Kasty but those are all negligible.

 

[BrawlFan]

When I make my proposal I’m thinking a guy like Konecny

 

[Golden_Jet]

Well again I think we have to compare what we could have in both scenarios. Also I don’t think you’d want to have both your anchors on D playing together. That pairing would be hella slow. Plus parayako is a semi cap dump for St. Louis so it’s a good moment to snag a guy we can LTIR in the future. Although he has a NMC

But here’s my two scenarios.

Trade Chych

Norris-Pinto-Batherson
Chucky-Stu-G
Joseph-Greig-young forward (2 1sts)
Kelly-Kasty-AHLer

Sanderson-Parayko
Chabot-Zub
Kleven-Tanev

Net in: 2 firsts (we have 2, 2 additional come in, 2 latest picks traded for a forward with upside and cheap salary). (2nd in and 2nd out for chych and Tanev)

Net out: 3rd, Tank, Chych, Branny.

Keep Chych

Chucky-Norris-Batherson
Joseph-Stu-G
Greig-Pinto-UFA
Kelly-Kasty-AHLer

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Chych
Kleven-Tanev

Net in: 3 firsts (2 plus tank)
Net out: 2nd, 3rd, Branny, Tank


Parayko and Chabot become your two anchors for cap.

How does the cap shake down? Well let’s see.

4.5M out for next year

In:
Parayko 6.5M
Tanev approx 3M?
Young forward approx 4.5M

So your cap for next year rises by 9.5M. Without Pinto signed. Cap is tight but team is set. Likely have to move Hammer, JBD, and Kasty but those are all negligible.

How did you get these 2 or 3 extra firsts.

 

[BrawlFan]

How did you get these 2 or 3 extra firsts.

It was my original post.

1st for chych
1st for Tank
2 1sts already.

Scenario 1 we trade the latest two for a forward

Scenario 2 we don’t trade chych and trade tank and don’t trade for a forward.

 

[JackieDaytona]

Parayko plus 1st and 2nd for Chychrun is not realistic imo. I imagine blues fans/mgmt would push back on that. Parayko is their 1D. Chychrun has a bit better offense, and a much better contract for a year and change, but Parayko is locked in at a decent salary for what he brings, is better defensively and is a leader on that team. Not sure they would consider letting him go let alone add a lot to land Chychrun?

 

[BrawlFan]

Parayko plus 1st and 2nd for Chychrun is not realistic imo. I imagine blues fans/mgmt would push back on that. Parayko is their 1D. Chychrun has a bit better offense, and a much better contract for a year and change, but Parayko is locked in at a decent salary for what he brings, is better defensively and is a leader on that team. Not sure they would consider letting him go let alone add a lot to land Chychrun?

They were shopping him last year and are heavily wanting to move Krug/Faulk/Parayko to open up salary. 30 year old defenceman with 6.5M and a NMC for 7 more years would be someone they’d want to move IMO.

 

[aragorn]

Here's a free wallet if the Sens could get this guy to sign here? Maxim Tsyplakov is having a pretty good yr in Russia, he's 6'3" left shot RW free agent. Apparently a few teams are chasing him.

Maxim Tsyplakov LW/RW​

MSN

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[JackieDaytona]

They were shopping him last year and are heavily wanting to move Krug/Faulk/Parayko to open up salary. 30 year old defenceman with 6.5M and a NMC for 7 more years would be someone they’d want to move IMO.

Didn’t know they were shopping him. Would be great to get him.

 

[aragorn]

Trade Deadline:
To anyone: Tarasenko, Kubalik & Brannstrom ($9.5 mil out)
To Ott: picks/prospects

Summer Deal:
To Philly: Chabot LD ($8 mil out)
To Ott: Ristolainen RD & Laughton LW ($8.1 mil in)

- Ristolainen fills a top 4 RD spot
- Laughton fills a bottom six LW spot
- Sens likely need to decide between Chabot & Chychrun

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux $23
Norris - Pinto - Batherson $16
Laughton - Greig - Joseph $7
Kelly - Kastelic - MacEwan $4 = $50

Sanderson - Ristolainen $13
Chychrun - Zub $9
Kleven - JBD/Hamonic $ 3 =$25

Korpisalo - Forsberg $7
($50+$25+$7= $82 mil - includes dead cap)

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I kind of wonder if goalies are going to start avoiding signing here until we right the ship, Murray went from multiple time Stanley Cup winner to cap dump requiring retention plus to move, Talbot from all star to having to accept a 1 year, 1 mil contract, Korpisalo from the top goalie UFA on the market to a potential buyout candidate.

Right now, I wouldn't blame goalies for seeing the sens as the team where goalie careers go to die. That's not to absolve these guys of their part in their performance while here, but from an outside perspective not looking closely it's probably in the back of their heads.

I think goalies know they can cash in on a good year.

Murray was bad before we acquired him. That contract was something his agent pulled out of his bass.

Talbot has always been all over the place. Korpisalo the same.

Also there aren’t many goalie positions available. Sooner or later that have to take the job offered to them. Can we pay a guy 2 mil to play .905 hockey? I think so.

Trade Deadline:
To anyone: Tarasenko, Kubalik & Brannstrom ($9.5 mil out)
To Ott: picks/prospects

Summer Deal:
To Philly: Chabot LD ($8 mil out)
To Ott: Ristolainen RD & Laughton LW ($8.1 mil in)

- Ristolainen fills a top 4 RD spot
- Laughton fills a bottom six LW spot
- Sens likely need to decide between Chabot & Chychrun

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux $23
Norris - Pinto - Batherson $16
Laughton - Greig - Joseph $7
Kelly - Kastelic - MacEwan $4 = $50

Sanderson - Ristolainen $13
Chychrun - Zub $9
Kleven - JBD/Hamonic $ 3 =$25

Korpisalo - Forsberg $7
($50+$25+$7= $82 mil - includes dead cap)

Ridtolaijen???????

He’s f***ing brutal man. Like truly brutal

 

[Burrowsaurus]

It was my original post.

1st for chych
1st for Tank
2 1sts already.

Scenario 1 we trade the latest two for a forward

Scenario 2 we don’t trade chych and trade tank and don’t trade for a forward.

I don’t think boys are giving you parayko and a first for chych