Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[The Devilish Buffoon]

He sounds a lot like Chabot.

Player Discussion: - Noah Dobson

We tried this with Romanov: it was horrible Emphasis on "good". Romanov was trash up until 20 games ago.

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Which means getting Pageau for Pinto.

Difference being that Dobson does that while playing 6-7mins less than Chabot, and that Chabot only started making those mistakes when he was playing 6-7mins more (year after year after year)

 

[NyQuil]

Difference being that Dobson does that while playing 6-7mins less than Chabot, and that Chabot didn't make those mistakes when he was playing 6-7mins less.

I get that Dobson is younger, but I'd heard middling reviews of his defence even before this season.

Pageau is an expiring quantity so I'm not seeing enough upside of this deal.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I get that Dobson is younger, but I'd heard middling reviews of his defence even before this season.

My point being that Dobson struggles with far less responsibility.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I'd rather keep the devil we know and not re-visit an aging Pageau at the expense of Pinto.

 

[GCK]

Pinto + Chabot for Dobson + Pageau could be a deal that works great for both teams

Doesn’t work at all for the Sens.

 

[GCK]

Dobson is about the same level. 50-60P offensive D that struggles defensively at times.

He is 3 years younger though and I have more faith he'll improve his defensive game than Chabot.

Plus he isn't signed for 8M x 5YRs (9.2M average in real salary) to play his off-side.

Dobson’s contract is up at the end of next year. Pageau is an anchor.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Friedman regarding Pinto “I think that one is gonna sort itself out over the next few days.”

Then Marek goes “Spidey senses are tingling on that one”

It sounded weird during their radio show. I wonder if they know of the trade that supposedly already agreed to clear cap space or if they are hinting at maybe Pinto asking for a trade or something.

 

[aragorn]

This is interesting:

Flyers Interested in Boucher if They Were to Acquire Joseph - Flyers Nation

With the regular season only a few weeks away, the Philadelphia Flyers are remaining busy on the trade market as they continue to engage in conversations with the Ottawa Senators. Just over a week ago it seemed that the Flyers were trying to make a move for pending RFA, Shane Pinto, however the...

www.flyersnation.com

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

This is interesting:

Flyers Interested in Boucher if They Were to Acquire Joseph - Flyers Nation

With the regular season only a few weeks away, the Philadelphia Flyers are remaining busy on the trade market as they continue to engage in conversations with the Ottawa Senators. Just over a week ago it seemed that the Flyers were trying to make a move for pending RFA, Shane Pinto, however the...

www.flyersnation.com

That was from a while ago on September 30th.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

The Sens should consider offering a 1 year 2 way contract to Nick Ritchie. He was released from his PTO in St Louis a while back and hasn't signed anywhere since. If he wants to stay in North America he might need to be open to signing a 2 way contract. If he is open, it could be a smart move for the Sens as it would give them a bit more proven depth in case they lose a forward clearing cap space to get Pinto signed.

 

[Micklebot]

This is interesting:

Flyers Interested in Boucher if They Were to Acquire Joseph - Flyers Nation

With the regular season only a few weeks away, the Philadelphia Flyers are remaining busy on the trade market as they continue to engage in conversations with the Ottawa Senators. Just over a week ago it seemed that the Flyers were trying to make a move for pending RFA, Shane Pinto, however the...

www.flyersnation.com

More recently one of the talking heads said they wanted Greig,

 

[aragorn]

More recently one of the talking heads said they wanted Greig,

Yes I remember, could just be another rumour.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Dobson’s contract is up at the end of next year. Pageau is an anchor.

Dobson is an RFA, not a UFA, so it wouldn't be difficult to re-sign him.

Pageau probably doesn't have any value but I wouldn't consider him an anchor. Still a great 3rd line C.

Doesn’t work at all for the Sens.

There's a number of reasons why it makes sense.

Biggest one by far is that we get a cheaper RD to play beside Chychrun that is half as expensive as Chabot over the next 2 seasons and can then be re-signed long-term to occupy the top RD spot for the foreseeable future.

Balances the D pairs and gets us out of Chabot's contract, which may severly limit his trade value, especially if he spends most of this year on PP2. No one will want to trade much for an 8M offensive defenseman (9.2M average real salary, mind you) that isn't putting up big numbers.

A side benefit is that the trade would actually allow us to have a complete lineup and still remain under the cap. Wouldn't have to dump Kubalik, Brannstrom or Joseph.

Losing Pinto would suck but Pageau should be able to hold down the 3C spot for the next 3 years and do a good job. Obviously we lose on that swap but there has to be a reason for the Isles to make the deal. Getting a young 2nd/3rd line C from Long Island would probably entice them.

Maybe the value isn't quite right and the Isles should be adding a pick/prospect to make up for a bigger difference in value between Dobson/Chabot and Pageau/Pinto, but I think it does make a sense for a number of reasons.

 

[GCK]

Dobson is an RFA, not a UFA, so it wouldn't be difficult to re-sign him.

Pageau probably doesn't have any value but I wouldn't consider him an anchor. Still a great 3rd line C.



There's a number of reasons why it makes sense.

Biggest one by far is that we get a cheaper RD to play beside Chychrun that is half as expensive as Chabot over the next 2 seasons and can then be re-signed long-term to occupy the top RD spot for the foreseeable future.

Balances the D pairs and gets us out of Chabot's contract, which may severly limit his trade value, especially if he spends most of this year on PP2. No one will want to trade much for an 8M offensive defenseman (9.2M average real salary, mind you) that isn't putting up big numbers.

A side benefit is that the trade would actually allow us to have a complete lineup and still remain under the cap. Wouldn't have to dump Kubalik, Brannstrom or Joseph.

Losing Pinto would suck but Pageau should be able to hold down the 3C spot for the next 3 years and do a good job. Obviously we lose on that swap but there has to be a reason for the Isles to make the deal. Getting a young 2nd/3rd line C from Long Island would probably entice them.

Maybe the value isn't quite right and the Isles should be adding a pick/prospect to make up for a bigger difference in value between Dobson/Chabot and Pageau/Pinto, but I think it does make a sense for a number of reasons.

Pageau’s contract is the big problem. I’d like to avoid any anchors especially 5M on a 4th line centre.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Pageau’s contract is the big problem. I’d like to avoid any anchors especially 5M on a 4th line centre.

He had 40 points in 70 games last year, what makes you think he's a 4th line center?

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

If we're going to move Pinto for a C, going after Laughton makes more sense than Pageau. Not that I am suggesting that.

I get that people are up and down on Chabot, but team chemistry matters, and he is a pillar. Moving him isn't something that should be taken lightly or even done in-season.

Pageau would be fine to acquire in a scenario where bad cap is going the other way, but I wouldn't want to take on his contract without a bad contract going out to subsidize it.

 

[Golden_Jet]

He had 40 points in 70 games last year, what makes you think he's a 4th line center?

Third line centre, that played higher up because of Barzal injuries.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

If we're going to move Pinto for a C, going after Laughton makes more sense than Pageau. Not that I am suggesting that.

I get that people are up and down on Chabot, but team chemistry matters, and he is a pillar. Moving him isn't something that should be taken lightly or even done in-season.

Pageau would be fine to acquire in a scenario where bad cap is going the other way, but I wouldn't want to take on his contract without a bad contract going out to subsidize it.

Ottawa doesn't have bad contracts. Maybe there's a case for Chabot being overpaid but even that's a stretch

 

[GCK]

He had 40 points in 70 games last year, what makes you think he's a 4th line center?

Stu, Norris, Greig.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Can we please just not Deal Pinto for any 30 year old? There must be better targets than 30 Y/O 3rd line centers like Pageau and Laughton.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Can we please just not Deal Pinto for any 30 year old? There must be better targets than 30 Y/O 3rd line centers like Pageau and Laughton.

Trading Pinto should not be the solution to this debacle

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Trading Pinto should not be the solution to this debacle

100%

 

[GCK]

Trading Pinto should not be the solution to this debacle

I think Greig’s play has raised the possibility in the mind of some fans. I have a difficult time believing the org would move a 6’3 200lbs+ centre who scored 20 as a rookie and demonstrated faceoff and defensive acumen in the NCAA.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I think Greig’s play has raised the possibility in the mind of some fans. I have a difficult time believing the org would move a 6’3 200lbs+ centre who scored 20 as a rookie and demonstrated faceoff and defensive acumen in the NCAA.

It it were a consideration, I just hope it would be a player of similar ilk and contract runway in a good hockey deal. The names tossed around are guys that are going to be ineffective and/or gone in probably 3 years max. Feels like something we'd regret quickly.

 

[vandelay]

I think Greig’s play has raised the possibility in the mind of some fans. I have a difficult time believing the org would move a 6’3 200lbs+ centre who scored 20 as a rookie and demonstrated faceoff and defensive acumen in the NCAA.

It's 4 games. Love the kid but he looked good for stretches last year as well. Not saying he doesn't look great now but let's at least give it 10-15 games.