Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Burrowsaurus]

I remember hearing that when Muckler traded Hossa for Heatley, Chara was so upset at the sneaky way it was done (after arbitration, signing Hossa to a multiple year contract then promptly trading him), he wouldn't sign with Ottawa so that only left Redden. Trading Hossa was the reason I hated Muckler as the GM. I know a lot of fans liked Heatley, me, not as much as Hossa. Hossa was a power forward, Chara was a beast. Ironically, both Hossa and Chara won Stanley Cups with their new teams. Imagine that 2007 run if it had included them both.

Muckler was given a core of alfie hossa and chara. And he thought to himself….nah

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I remember hearing that when Muckler traded Hossa for Heatley, Chara was so upset at the sneaky way it was done (after arbitration, signing Hossa to a multiple year contract then promptly trading him), he wouldn't sign with Ottawa so that only left Redden. Trading Hossa was the reason I hated Muckler as the GM. I know a lot of fans liked Heatley, me, not as much as Hossa. Hossa was a power forward, Chara was a beast. Ironically, both Hossa and Chara won Stanley Cups with their new teams. Imagine that 2007 run if it had included them both.

Ya I remember that implication as well and I was also disappointed they swapped him for Heatley. Heater had some undeniable success, but Hossa was a better player imo. I have to wear the egg on the face for Chara though. We were fresh off him getting played out and sent home by the small Buffalo players, so I thought his size and mobility was being exposed, while Redden theoretically had that, so I voted Redden. Boy was I wrong. Yeesh.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

To clear cap space, the primary options are to move at least one of Joseph, Kubalik or Brannstrom right?

It seems like the hesitation around moving Joseph is the fact that up to this point it has been speculated that a significant asset would need to be added to move him. Is that the main reason why people would want to trade Kubalik instead of him?

If that is the case, then what about this hypothetical? If Joseph continues to play the way he has to start the season then maybe that added asset is starting to become less and less. At what point is the add small enough, where you would choose to trade Joseph instead of Kubalik?

It seems like the challenge with Joseph is trying to determine what you can reasonably expect from him. He performed above expectations when we traded for him, then he was pretty bad last season, and now he is looking decent.

Some people don't want to trade him because of his recent performance, but is that sustainable or reflective of what we can reasonably expect from him? If the answer to that question is no then he needs to be moved while he is performing well to capture the spike in trade value.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Moving Joseph is only worth doing if they are set on the idea that they need to clear his cap long term, and his current level of play creates an opportunity to do that at a discount, like for a 2nd round pick instead of a 1st or equivalent prospect.

Kubalik and Brannstrom are likely cheaper to move than Joseph, but we're still probably losing a 2nd round pick to trade either of them right now.

 

[OttawaSenators11]

Moving Joseph is only worth doing if they are set on the idea that they need to clear his cap long term, and his current level of play creates an opportunity to do that at a discount, like for a 2nd round pick instead of a 1st or equivalent prospect.

Kubalik and Brannstrom are likely cheaper to move than Joseph, but we're still probably losing a 2nd round pick to trade either of them right now.

I’m fine moving a 2nd with one Kubalik or Erik if that’s the “ best “ we could do.
I’d rather Pinto in the lineup over either of em personally.

After that trade is made, I’d fire Dorion for awful mismanagement of the cap.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I’m fine moving a 2nd with one Kubalik or Erik if that’s the “ best “ we could do.
I’d rather Pinto in the lineup over either of em personally.

There's no way we'd have to attach a 2nd to either of those players imo.

 

[bert]

I’m fine moving a 2nd with one Kubalik or Erik if that’s the “ best “ we could do.
I’d rather Pinto in the lineup over either of em personally.

After that trade is made, I’d fire Dorion for awful mismanagement of the cap.

A second? No. These players at worst have a minor amount of value. Can't keep burning assets like they have. There's nothing in the pipeline.

 

[Bileur]

There's no way we'd have to attach a 2nd to either of those players imo.

If teams are holding firm on that kind of return just waive them. Some other team will definitely pick them up.

 

[GCK]

A second? No. These players at worst have a minor amount of value. Can't keep burning assets like they have. There's nothing in the pipeline.

If either Brannstrom or Kubalik could be moved for anything don’t you think they’d be gone ?

If teams are holding firm on that kind of return just waive them. Some other team will definitely pick them up.

I think Kubalik would clear and it wouldnt surprise me if Brannstrom cleared.

 

[TheNewEra]

If either Brannstrom or Kubalik could be moved for anything don’t you think they’d be gone ?


I think Kubalik would clear and it wouldnt surprise me if Brannstrom cleared.

Both players especially kubalik due to it being recent are tied with evaluating dorion. And dorion is under an extreme microscope. I'm guessing dorion is hoping he can at least get an average sellable asset in return

 

[DueDiligence]

I remember hearing that when Muckler traded Hossa for Heatley, Chara was so upset at the sneaky way it was done (after arbitration, signing Hossa to a multiple year contract then promptly trading him), he wouldn't sign with Ottawa so that only left Redden. Trading Hossa was the reason I hated Muckler as the GM. I know a lot of fans liked Heatley, me, not as much as Hossa. Hossa was a power forward, Chara was a beast. Ironically, both Hossa and Chara won Stanley Cups with their new teams. Imagine that 2007 run if it had included them both.

That's not the reason Chara left. The Senators could only sign one of either Wade Redden or Chara and made the choice to sign Redden. Not signing Chara turned out to be a huge mistake and he became a free agent..

 

[bert]

If either Brannstrom or Kubalik could be moved for anything don’t you think they’d be gone ?

I think the organization values them more than you do for sure.

 

[Bileur]

If either Brannstrom or Kubalik could be moved for anything don’t you think they’d be gone ?


I think Kubalik would clear and it wouldnt surprise me if Brannstrom cleared.

I don’t think a 20 goal scorer for 2.5 would clear.

A team like Chicago, currently running Ryan Donato on PP1, would pick him up to take some weight off Bedard.

Worst case from a team like that you pump his production up a bit, then if injuries hit at the deadline you can trade him for a mid pick.

 

[GCK]

I think the organization values them more than you do for sure.

That’s fine although I’m not sure Staios is a fan of small D but that’s a tangent for another day. A move needs to be made and it needs to be made shortly after Norris returns. I’m sure Dorion values every player on the roster but someone (or more) needs to go.

I don’t think a 20 goal scorer for 2.5 would clear.

A team like Chicago, currently running Ryan Donato on PP1, would pick him up to take some weight off Bedard.

Worst case from a team like that you pump his production up a bit, then if injuries hit at the deadline you can trade him for a mid pick.

It’s still 2.5M in real dollars. Ottawa was not the only budget team.

 

[bert]

That’s fine although I’m not sure Staios is a fan of small D but that’s a tangent for another day. A move needs to be made and it needs to be made shortly after Norris returns. I’m sure Dorion values every player on the roster but someone (or more) needs to go.


It’s still 2.5M in real dollars. Ottawa was not the only budget team.

Kubalik gets picked up for sure. 2.5 on a 1 year deal for a 20 to 25 goal scorer who doesn't hurt you defensively is not worthless.

 

[GCK]

Kubalik gets picked up for sure. 2.5 on a 1 year deal for a 20 to 25 goal scorer who doesn't hurt you defensively is not worthless.

Hopefully we find out soon how the cap clearing happens and we get Pinto back in.

 

[bert]

Hopefully we find out soon how the cap clearing happens and we get Pinto back in.

Agreed.

 

[TheNewEra]

There has do be a market for kubalik if 4 teams are in on Garland. Similar production but Garland costs twice as much and has term. Garland is more valuable but not by so much that it means kubalik has 0 value

 

[Micklebot]

It’s still 2.5M in real dollars. Ottawa was not the only budget team.

Come on now, Kubalik doesn't clear waivers...

Chicago made an estimated 90+ mil last year, I think they are likely more than willing to buy draft picks by taking on Kubalik for a few months from the waiver wire in order to flip him at the deadline to a contender for a 2nd or 3rd.

 

[SpezDispenser]

There has do be a market for kubalik if 4 teams are in on Garland. Similar production but Garland costs twice as much and has term. Garland is more valuable but not by so much that it means kubalik has 0 value

It's really insane to think otherwise. 20 goal scorer, no term, small cap hit. Come on.

 

[HSF]

If either Brannstrom or Kubalik could be moved for anything don’t you think they’d be gone ?


I think Kubalik would clear and it wouldnt surprise me if Brannstrom cleared.

the nhl player coming back in the DBC would clear waivers? sheesh

Can we put Dorion on waivers?

 

[Hale The Villain]

There has do be a market for kubalik if 4 teams are in on Garland. Similar production but Garland costs twice as much and has term. Garland is more valuable but not by so much that it means kubalik has 0 value

There probably is a market for him, but unfortunately there's zero indication it's being explored by the Sens.

For some reason they are intent on dumping Joseph, and if that fails it seems the backup option is trading Brannstrom.

 

[Senator Stanley]

There has do be a market for kubalik if 4 teams are in on Garland. Similar production but Garland costs twice as much and has term. Garland is more valuable but not by so much that it means kubalik has 0 value

They are totally different situations. Vancouver would have to pay a ton to move Garland if they weren't willing to retain salary or take a contract back. In that case, it's a matter of how much Vancouver is willing to retain and/or what bad contract they'll take in return.

For me, Kubalik should have more value than Garland. No term, lower AAV, is a bigger player, and he'll be way easier to move for a pick at the deadline. But Ottawa can't retain any money and can't take a bad contract back, so they're very different trades.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

There probably is a market for him, but unfortunately there's zero indication it's being explored by the Sens.

For some reason they are intent on dumping Joseph, and if that fails it seems the backup option is trading Brannstrom.

It feels like we actually know very little about what the plan is or the options on the board. Maybe the effect of new ownership/management putting clear expectations in place WRT tight lips during negotiations.

 

[TheNewEra]

They are totally different situations. Vancouver would have to pay a ton to move Garland if they weren't willing to retain salary or take a contract back. In that case, it's a matter of how much Vancouver is willing to retain and/or what bad contract they'll take in return.

For me, Kubalik should have more value than Garland. No term, lower AAV, is a bigger player, and he'll be way easier to move for a pick at the deadline. But Ottawa can't retain any money and can't take a bad contract back, so they're very different trades.

By all intents and purposes it seems Vancouver is getting some value back, if it was purely a dump then I doubt multiple teams would be interested. Plus if it was a dump it would only be the bad teams interested but it is rumored that teams that are trying for playoff spots are the ones calling (jackets/predators/capitals and one unknown)