Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Bileur]

I don't think they will trade Chabot unless it is reactionary to something, like missing the playoffs multiple times, or somehow lucking into another #1 defenseman. They have a legitimate top 4 for the first time in over a decade. Whether Chabot's play has been completely consistent or not, if they trade him they aren't going to have a replacement. Kleven will be a valuable piece, but he won't be that guy.

They have enough long term cap flexibility to keep everybody, although they may have to bridge Greig, Pinto, Kleven, etc.

I don’t see them trading Chabot unless they need to purposely shake up the core.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Chabot is playing on the right side for the first time in his career. He’s not going to adapt overnight.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Chabot is playing on the right side for the first time in his career. He’s not going to adapt overnight.

It's the second time. Guy Boucher played him on the right side during his rookie year because the system Boucher created was built around the LD being a physical D who could step up and forcing turnovers/dump ins for the RD to retrieve.

He did not do well at it, but he was also a rookie, and the system Boucher ran thin.

 

[SensHulk]

An important distinction is that we can’t afford to sign him for what he’s asking, rather than what we’re offering.

There is money available, and arguably fair money on a one year deal for him, he just wants more so here we are.

That’s true, any player can be had for an insulting contract offer and if they don’t sign it, it’s their own fault

 

[dumbdick]

While everyone freaks out, try to remember what an awesome problem to have this is.

We went from a team that was icing trash near the floor to one of the most buzz-worthy teams in the NHL.

We're in cap trouble because we have too many good players. That's it. That's the reason. They're not overpaid, there's just too many of them.

What an awesome place to be. That's a contender's problem.

 

[BondraTime]

While everyone freaks out, try to remember what an awesome problem to have this is.

We went from a team that was icing trash near the floor to one of the most buzz-worthy teams in the NHL.

We're in cap trouble because we have too many good players. That's it. That's the reason. They're not overpaid, there's just too many of them.

What an awesome place to be. That's a contender's problem.

They're in cap trouble because they are paying over 5 million for guys not to play for them

 

[Micklebot]

They're in cap trouble because they are paying over 5 million for guys not to play for them

They knew going into the offseason they'd have that dead cap hit, they're in trouble because in spite of knowing that, they signed Tarasenko.

That issue only lasts this season, next year, it will be the extentions that start pinching us.

 

[BondraTime]

They knew going into the offseason they'd have that dead cap hit, their in trouble because in spite of knowing that, they signed Tarasenko.

That issue only lasts this season, next year, it will be the extentions that start pinching us.

Well having a bird brain GM also played a significant role.

I was just responding to the thought that the team just has too many good players on it as the reason they're against the cap, when they have 5 million counting that's not even a part of the team.

 

[SensFactor]

Heard on tsn radio this morning Norris is back Wednesday vs Capitals. Who comes out?

 

[Micklebot]

Heard on tsn radio this morning Norris is back Wednesday vs Capitals. Who comes out?

I would think Chartier, despite him doing pretty well, but there's a chance it'll be Kastelic. I suppose long shot MacEwen, particularly if he's still nursing whatever he hurt in preseason.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Heard on tsn radio this morning Norris is back Wednesday vs Capitals. Who comes out?

Don’t think so

 

[BankStreetParade]

While everyone freaks out, try to remember what an awesome problem to have this is.

We went from a team that was icing trash near the floor to one of the most buzz-worthy teams in the NHL.

We're in cap trouble because we have too many good players. That's it. That's the reason. They're not overpaid, there's just too many of them.

What an awesome place to be. That's a contender's problem.

They're in cap trouble because they are paying over 5 million for guys not to play for them

No, they're in cap trouble because the cap's only gone up 5% over the last 5 years. No one anticipated almost 5 years of nearly stagnant cap, which is why so many teams are up against it. All the other stuff is inconsequential to the argument.

 

[Icelevel]

Heard on tsn radio this morning Norris is back Wednesday vs Capitals. Who comes out?

We’ve heard every week for the past couple months that he is ready to go. So let’s maybe wait and see on that.

 

[BondraTime]

No, they're in cap trouble because the cap's only gone up 5% over the last 5 years. No one anticipated almost 5 years of nearly stagnant cap, which is why so many teams are up against it. All the other stuff is inconsequential to the argument.

They were ~6 million below the cap with a an extra D and F at less than 1 million each and Pinto left to sign no less than 2.5 months ago.

This cap number isn't surprising, and it's not even close to an excuse for where the Sens are right now. They knew what their cap ceiling was prior to UFA, knew what positions needed to be filled, and they overshot their spending this summer without signing Pinto.

We had about 14 million at the start of the summer to sign a top 6 winger, Pinto, goalie, and bottom pair of D. We spent 7.5 million of that on the top 6 winger spot with 2 guys rather than 1.

 

[OgieO]

If Norris comes back I bet its Greig that comes out. Not saying it is what I want to happen (I think it would be stupid) but that's my prediction. It also feels like the easy way out of the Pinto situation for PD.

Norris comes back, send Greig down. Send Chartier down. Leaves you ~1,700,000 in cap room.

Trade Brannstrom for a mid pick. Call up Kleven/Matinpalo/Guenette. Gives you ~2,800,000.

Sign Pinto for $2,000,000. Roll short roster (12-6-2) for a while and call up people as needed and play the up-down-up-down game when injuries hit.

I don't like giving up Brannstrom and I think Greig has looked great but I think that's PDs easiest path out of the stupid mess he created.

 

[Sens Vader]

If Norris comes back I bet its Greig that comes out. Not saying it is what I want to happen (I think it would be stupid) but that's my prediction. It also feels like the easy way out of the Pinto situation for PD.

Norris comes back, send Greig down. Send Chartier down. Leaves you ~1,700,000 in cap room.

Trade Brannstrom for a mid pick. Call up Kleven/Matinpalo/Guenette. Gives you ~2,800,000.

Sign Pinto for $2,000,000. Roll short roster (12-6-2) for a while and call up people as needed and play the up-down-up-down game when injuries hit.

I don't like giving up Brannstrom and I think Greig has looked great but I think that's PDs easiest path out of the stupid mess he created.

I would prefer to trade Joseph and move Grieg to wing.

I don't even like Branny that much but he does provide a lot of insurance if an injury occurs.

However, I didn't realize this scenario would give us this much cap space - it does really seem like the easiest way to go.

Everything hinges on Norris' health imo, as LTIR is still an option. I think they need to see him play a full game healthy to move forward

 

[OgieO]

^^ I think you are right and I tend to think that's what's holding up Pinto situation. Need to see how Norris situation plays out.

 

[SensFactor]

I wouldn't like it , but as others have said Kubalik makes the most sense. He's a UFA that probably has good value in the market. Also if we need a replacement winger you have a pretty good two-way player in Smejkal in the AHL

 

[OgieO]

I wouldn't like it , but as others have said Kubalik makes the most sense. He's a UFA that probably has good value in the market. Also if we need a replacement winger you have a pretty good two-way player in Smejkal in the AHL

While Kubalik may make the most sense.. do any of us think PD will actually move on from his return on the Debrincat trade so soon? Hubris.. Dorion.

 

[TeamRenzo]

While everyone freaks out, try to remember what an awesome problem to have this is.

We went from a team that was icing trash near the floor to one of the most buzz-worthy teams in the NHL.

We're in cap trouble because we have too many good players. That's it. That's the reason. They're not overpaid, there's just too many of them.

What an awesome place to be. That's a contender's problem.

Another way to look at it is we have yet to make the playoffs, let alone be a contender and have almost zero cap space. We're in cap trouble due to inept management.

 

[bert]

Chabot is playing on the right side for the first time in his career. He’s not going to adapt overnight.

He has been getting better, he is also playing with a partner that likes to jump as well. Its going to be a learning curve but if/when they figure it out they are going to be wildly dynamic.

While Kubalik may make the most sense.. do any of us think PD will actually move on from his return on the Debrincat trade so soon? Hubris.. Dorion.

Luckily his ego doesnt matter anymore because he has a boss. But really all three players he hypothetically needs to deal were for important players in this franchise.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

While Kubalik may make the most sense.. do any of us think PD will actually move on from his return on the Debrincat trade so soon? Hubris.. Dorion.

The Optics are not good no matter what he does to fix this. The reason a move has not been done is that he is trying to soften the loss he has to take to make a trade. He is in a bind .. he is passing that on to Pinto which seems like the stand up thing to do.

 

[Dionysus]

While Kubalik may make the most sense.. do any of us think PD will actually move on from his return on the Debrincat trade so soon? Hubris.. Dorion.

Don't forget, Kubalik only had 7 less goals than Debrincat last year!

 

[armani]

If Norris comes back I bet its Greig that comes out. Not saying it is what I want to happen (I think it would be stupid) but that's my prediction. It also feels like the easy way out of the Pinto situation for PD.

Norris comes back, send Greig down. Send Chartier down. Leaves you ~1,700,000 in cap room.

Trade Brannstrom for a mid pick. Call up Kleven/Matinpalo/Guenette. Gives you ~2,800,000.

Sign Pinto for $2,000,000. Roll short roster (12-6-2) for a while and call up people as needed and play the up-down-up-down game when injuries hit.

I don't like giving up Brannstrom and I think Greig has looked great but I think that's PDs easiest path out of the stupid mess he created.

I think Greig is Pinto's placeholder, until the latter is signed Greig should play centre between MJ and Tarasenko. Greig also deserves to stay up, I am intrigued to see him with Norris and Batherson once Pinto arrives.

Joseph may necessitate giving up high picks and/or prospects because of his $2.9 M cap hit the next three years. He is playing well, so at least he is earning his keeps.

Kubalik should be traded first before breaking down the bottom pairing trading Brannstrom. He has an attractive $2.5M salary and no term as a complementary goal scorer. Kleven is not ready, the rest are inexperienced/waiver fodders.

 

[SpezDispenser]

While Kubalik may make the most sense.. do any of us think PD will actually move on from his return on the Debrincat trade so soon? Hubris.. Dorion.

He made that deal before he signed Tarasenko though. That's easy enough to spin imo.

Sucks though, because people on here seem to think Kubalik is nothing, but when the inevitable cold streaks/injuries hit, he could be a very important player for us, but it is was it is