The only thing worse than giving up a quality pick to dump Joseph would be giving up a quality pick to dump an expiring contract.
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The only thing worse than giving up a quality pick to dump Joseph would be giving up a quality pick to dump an expiring contract.
JackieDaytona
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Greig Pinto Joseph
Smejkal Kastelic Chartier
Kelly
That’s what the bottom 6 plus extra skater should look like IMO.
And I think Kelly and Chartier have both played better than Kastelic so far.
Get rid of kubalik, why’d Dorion sign MacEwen?
Smejkal Kastelic Chartier
Kelly
That’s what the bottom 6 plus extra skater should look like IMO.
And I think Kelly and Chartier have both played better than Kastelic so far.
Get rid of kubalik, why’d Dorion sign MacEwen?
Seattle seem to be having trouble scoring and have 3M space and Nashville have 8M of cap space and may want to bolster their team for this year. I wonder if either of them would want to add Kubalik.
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frightenedinmatenum2
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That trade makes sense, but the 3rd should go to Philadelphia for taking on Brannstrom. I doubt anybody in the league would give up assets for him or take him for free. Cap is too valuable right now.
I don't think CBJ would want to retain on Peeke because he has 2 years left after this season. With that said, they would still be getting a very good deal by getting out of 75 percent of the last 2 years of the contract at the expense of taking on an extra 500k this season via Kubalik.
A possible variation might be something like....
OUT:
-Kubalik (2.5M x 1Y)
-Brannstrom (2.0M x 1Y)
-2024 OTT 4th Round Pick
IN:
-Peeke (2.0M x 3Y)
OUT:
-F/C or AHL bodies
IN:
-Brannstrom (2.0M x 1Y)
-Retention On Peeke (750k x 3Y)
-2024 CBJ 2nd Round Pick
-2024 OTT 4th Round Pick
OUT:
-2024 CBJ 2nd
-Peeke (2.75M x 3Y)
IN:
-Kubalik (2.5M x 1Y)
CBJ pays a 2nd to dump the final 2 years of the Peeke contract. They get back Kubalik, who they may be able to flip with retention at the deadline for a 3rd-7th pick depending on his performance.
Philadelphia gets a 2nd+4th to take on Brannstrom and 3 years of retention. Retention spots are typically worth a 4th-5th at each deadline. So the 2nd is a bit high for taking on Brannstrom, but it's meant to compensate them for both aspects. Obviously, Brannstrom could have value in the long run as he is still a good player. The cap dump is more situational.
Ottawa frees up 2.5M, which is enough to get them Pinto on a 2 year deal. They also get a bottom pairing D who fits their needs more (right hand, physical) than Brannstrom.
Seattle could indeed bite, as Kubalik is the type of player who might perform well (at least statistically speaking) with increased ice time and opportunities.
No but there should be better options.
It's possible Kubalik could be picked up on waivers, dealt for a non-fully-insured LTIR contract (eg. Voracek/Little), traded for a one-way contract playing in the AHL (eg. Robinson) or packaged with a mid-late pick.
Absolutely shouldn't cost anywhere close to a 2nd to dump his contract.
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This Pinto thing may be the most frustrating personnel thing I've ever endured as a fan of this team. There are no good solutions and I don't even want to partake in the conversation anymore. I don't think I've ever not had something to say about a Sens related topic. But this whole thing has me disgusted.
dumbdick
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I really like the idea of balancing something around Kubalik for Peeke if we can do it.
Sens are in a tough spot because we've got very few guys in that 'tradeable' 2-4M salary range.
We're basically all core and a few league minimum guys. When the cap goes up and some buyouts come off the books we're going to be laughing, but this year is going to be a bit tight.
We just don't have a lot of non-core options to offer right now.
Sens are in a tough spot because we've got very few guys in that 'tradeable' 2-4M salary range.
We're basically all core and a few league minimum guys. When the cap goes up and some buyouts come off the books we're going to be laughing, but this year is going to be a bit tight.
We just don't have a lot of non-core options to offer right now.
frightenedinmatenum2
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As a formality, they would almost certainly waive Kubalik and Brannstrom before attaching a pick to them. I think outside of a lucky situation where a team loses an NHL defenseman to injury, both of them would clear.
A 2nd to dump about 3M (both contracts buried) of cap x 1 year is fair. Closer to the deadline, it would probably be cheaper. Seeler, is probably worth a 6th or 7th round pick since he can play NHL minutes as a defenseman. That's usually the market for those guys.
One of the only other ways out is for a star player to have a season ending injury so that they can use the LTIR pool to sign Pinto and fill the roster out before they have a more difficult road schedule travel wise starting in December. The problem is that they cannot control that.
There aren't many reasonable alternatives short of a bigger hockey trade with a player people probably don't want traded like Batherson or Zub. Or, attach a 1st to Joseph, which would be considerably worse than attaching a 2nd to Brannstrom/Kubalik.
dumbdick
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If it makes you feel better, we are in this spot specifically because our picks have hit and the team is doing well. We're drowning in positives. Similar to when chicago traded Byfuglien away because they had way too many good players to keep under the cap.
We're in trouble specifically because everything went right with all the other players and acquisitions.
Pinto is one of my favorite players on this team, but we're in trouble because of a bounty of riches.
That's the kind of trouble I can handle.
This is a "contender problem".
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I didn't want Kubalik in that trade and I don't want him now. If somebody gives a 5th for him, that's enough just get rid of him and sign Pinto. Brannstrom is fine, trading him would be a mistake.
Only part I feel bad about is Kubalik getting let go by Chicago, signs 2 yr with Detroit but gets traded half way through, then has a coffee with Ottawa before getting shipped out again. He really needs to be the one to go though, there's enough shooters on this team and they're all much better
Only part I feel bad about is Kubalik getting let go by Chicago, signs 2 yr with Detroit but gets traded half way through, then has a coffee with Ottawa before getting shipped out again. He really needs to be the one to go though, there's enough shooters on this team and they're all much better
Why trade both Brannstrom and Kubalik?
If we trade Kubalik we'll be able to fit in Pinto and still have enough cap for 1 spare forward/defenseman, which isn't ideal but is fine.
It shouldn't cost a 2nd to dump either one of them considering they have expiring contracts and any team who trades for them could get solid NHL quality play from them up until the deadline, at which time they could deal either one for an asset.
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I seem to remember the best player in Sens history and captain of the team who wanted to finish his career in Ottawa getting lowballed by our former owner who refused to pay him the money he deserved so he left for a divisional rival (was Detroit still in the west then?). Also this honestly could be Karlsson or Alfredsson but I think the Alfie situation is easily the most frustrating personnel move in the teams history.
This has potential to be a far second though.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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The Chara/Redden choice could be up there for some as well.
frightenedinmatenum2
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We can trade Kubalik alone and fit in Pinto. I assume trading both is meant to resolve our total cap issue, which is not just that we don't have 2.5M for Pinto, but we cannot ice a 22-23 player roster.
Less than a month ago, Vancouver paid a 3rd round pick to dump 1.45M in cap via swapping two contracts (DeSmith & Pearson) that were likely unmovable on their own. I think it is fair to assume the floor for dumping either Brannstrom or Kubalik individually is a 3rd, and the ceiling is a 2nd.
Trading both Brannstrom and Kubalik gives us enough room to sign Pinto and run with an extra F and extra D.
aragorn
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I think Peake makes too much & is a RD & we have Hamonic in that spot & 3 other RDs fighting for a call up. If Brannstrom is moved we need a LD to replace him for a yr. Ann has three LD (Hagg, White & Carrick) in the minors who make close to league minimum, just not sure how good they are, but a couple of them have NHL experience. Just don't know if they would want Brannstrom, Joseph or Kubalik for any of them or if they would take something other than the Det 1st to take on our players.
Travis Dermott LD in Arz is also at close to league minimum & a UFA & might work for a yr, but not only would they want a sweetner it might cost more than Kubalik. I don't see a way out of this unless it's Kubalik & Brannstrom or Joseph & Brannstrom & which package won't cost us the DEt 1st.
DeSmith is a great backup and Pearson is a worse player at this point than Kubalik or Brannstrom at this point in his career, if he even has one left.
It would be incredibly stupid to pay a 2nd/3rd to dump Brannstrom or Kubalik when both had positive value in the off-season.
Dorion has undoubtedly put us in a bad situation where we have very little leverage, but I don't believe for a second we'd need to pay that kind of ransom to clear cap.
It's not imperative that we have 13F and 7D right now.
We just need an extra F/D that can step up if a player goes down with injury or illness on game day.
Having an extra scratch certainly isn't worth dumping a solid player like Brannstrom in addition to Kubalik.
DJB
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Dump Kubalik and move Chartier to the press box.
Insert Norris and Pinto and this team becomes that much better
Insert Norris and Pinto and this team becomes that much better
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