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The Devilish Buffoon
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Maybe but its hard for me to see a world where what's best for Vladdy is also what's best for us
GARRIOCH: Senators returning to work as clock ticks towards NHL trade deadline
It's exactly one month to the National Hockey League trade deadline and Steve Staios has been doing a lot of talking.
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The number was slightly facetious knowing there is no way he would ever come close to accepting that.
I don’t think he’s the best fit for this team. If he isn’t scoring he isn’t doing much to help out. Doesn’t pk, is not considered a two way player and isn’t physical
I’d rather use his money on a RD or another middle 6 Connor Brown type defensive player.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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If he wants multi year at 5 or 4.5 it may not be best for anyone else either.
Sounds like Nic Dowd with retention could return a late 1st. Nothing special as a player. Decent bottom 6 center, but he's signed for an extra year and has a lot more value than people think because of that.
Same people doubting that thought Goodrow could never get a 1st and the amounts paid for Coleman and Hagel were insane.
When you're getting a player on a great value contract for not only the rest of the year and for the playoffs but another year and playoff run, you're willing to pay more. Tampa extended their window of contention by trading for those guys instead of pure rentals and they ended up winning two cups.
Staios should be talking to teams about what they would give up for Chychrun with 50% retention. You think Nic Dowd at 775K is a great deal? Chychrun at 2.3M is a massive steal in comparison. Teams would probably be willing to trade a boatload of assets to add a top 4 D for two years for pennies on the dollar.
We need to replenish the pipeline in a bad way. We also need currency to potentially trade for players in the off-season to put ourselves in the position to make the playoffs for next season and beyond. Retaining on Chychrun would go a long way to accomplishing this.
Same people doubting that thought Goodrow could never get a 1st and the amounts paid for Coleman and Hagel were insane.
When you're getting a player on a great value contract for not only the rest of the year and for the playoffs but another year and playoff run, you're willing to pay more. Tampa extended their window of contention by trading for those guys instead of pure rentals and they ended up winning two cups.
Staios should be talking to teams about what they would give up for Chychrun with 50% retention. You think Nic Dowd at 775K is a great deal? Chychrun at 2.3M is a massive steal in comparison. Teams would probably be willing to trade a boatload of assets to add a top 4 D for two years for pennies on the dollar.
We need to replenish the pipeline in a bad way. We also need currency to potentially trade for players in the off-season to put ourselves in the position to make the playoffs for next season and beyond. Retaining on Chychrun would go a long way to accomplishing this.
frightenedinmatenum2
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I don't disagree with you, but I think the optics of strategically retreating in a way that cap space is blatantly sacrificed for assets won't be good with the players.
Taking a useful play back who has a bad contract might be different because it is more obfuscated. For example. if we send Chychrun to the Islanders for picks+prospects but take back Pageau to make it cap neutral for NYI.
You have to consider that we have been rebuilding for 7 seasons now. Giroux is a UFA after next season. Tkachuk's NMC kicks in after next season. If we're going to prioritize fixing a bad foundation here and go with more of an approach to maximize assets instead of winning now, that's fine - but I can't see either of those guys wanting to stay for that approach. It's the same reason we're hearing about the team acquiring Tanev, when in reality we're not a Tanev away from doing anything, and we have so few assets to burn. The next year is an audition to keep Brady and Giroux, even if the fans don't realize it yet.
Even if they trade Chychrun or whoever for futures, it's all going to come down to using those or using equivalent pieces in other trades to blatantly maximize the roster for next year. Their job isn't to fix the foundation of the team, it's to find a way to quickly re-tool and guarantee a competitive playoff run next season.
Retaining on. Chychrun would definitely increase any return but it would also handcuff our team next year.
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No it wouldn't, we'll have a good amount of cap space even after retaining on Chychrun.
Not really unless we aren’t planning on shopping for a RD and winger in the summer.
Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
Greig - Norris - Batherson
Joseph - Pinto - ????????
Kelly - Kastelic - MacEwen
Crookshank
Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - ????????
Kleven - JBD/Hamonic
Hamonic/JBD
Korpisalo
Forsberg/Sogaard
If Pinto gets 2.5M, Kelly gets 1.2M, Crookshank gets 0.8M and we retain 2.3M on Chychrun's deal, that leaves us with about 10.5M for a good middle 6 winger and a 2nd pairing RD.
No cap crunch there.
Pinto will likely come in higher. Add 4-5 for a winger and 5-7 for a D.
We may also have a bonus overage this year if we can’t clear some cap space.
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GARRIOCH: Senators returning to work as clock ticks towards NHL trade deadline
It's exactly one month to the National Hockey League trade deadline and Steve Staios has been doing a lot of talking.
I continue to be baffled as to why a man who can barely write at high school level has had a job in journalism for over 30 years.
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not everyone survives injury.
Take a look at San Fran and Chase Young.. Drafted 2nd overall by Washington.. great Rookie year.. Tears up his knee.. Now everyone is wondering what happened.. Even with San Fran in the Superbowl, he has been largely ineffective. A star in the making will most likely be gone in a year or two.
nothing is deadlier on an athlete like an injury. Some survive (Crosby concussion, McDavid knee), others do not.
ACL/MCL/etc... are brutal..
Kyle Connor in Winnipeg was terrific until his injury. The last 5-6 games, invisible. Winnipeg is slowly falling. 5-4-1 in their last 10. Offense that dried up.
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frightenedinmatenum2
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Seattle might be a good target for Tarasenko.
They are 2 points out of the playoffs. They have a negative goal differential. Daccord's performance so far has kept them in the race. They need more scoring.
They have 27M of cap flexibility next season with Tolvanen, Eberle, and Wennberg as the only significant free agents. They could swing a Tarasenko extension.
We could take Driedger and retain on Tarasenko to make it close to cap in/cap out. Driedger would be a good buy-low candidate for an audition in net here. He isn't going to get playing time in Seattle because they are trying to make the playoffs. Daccord isn't losing the net.
They are 2 points out of the playoffs. They have a negative goal differential. Daccord's performance so far has kept them in the race. They need more scoring.
They have 27M of cap flexibility next season with Tolvanen, Eberle, and Wennberg as the only significant free agents. They could swing a Tarasenko extension.
We could take Driedger and retain on Tarasenko to make it close to cap in/cap out. Driedger would be a good buy-low candidate for an audition in net here. He isn't going to get playing time in Seattle because they are trying to make the playoffs. Daccord isn't losing the net.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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For sure, long list of cautionary tales. Especially some of these guys that walk a thin line on what they can contribute offensively. Guys like Connor Brown don't have a lot of buffer before they go from strong middle 6 to 4th liner or unable to get a contract.
HoweHullOrr
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I agree with this assessment and think its pretty accurate.
Pinto needs a new contract, and it's possible that the Senators intend on re-signing Tarasenko or replace him with a player at his level. Then there's the cap hit of the RD that people are talking about.
There's always lots of options and possibilities to meet cap of course. For example, if they move Chabot and free that money to spend on a RD (probably 7 m or so is the ceiling on the RD though). And, of course, that isn't the only option. It's just an example.
It boils down to the details and talking about buyout/retained money coming off the books is not a deep enough dive. It's all kind of conceptual until you put a roster (e.g., 22 players) with cap hits and all other necessary detail.
AchtzehnBaby
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You are easily baffled, i am sure. You do have to remember, it is a small town and getting quality writers must be hard.
His time as the Post Media sports guys is winding down. I hear he is going to have a big retirement party with all his detractors.
He think brannstrom could be traded!? And kastelic?! And Kubalik!?????
BonHoonLayneCornell
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Do you know how old Bruce is?You are easily baffled, i am sure. You do have to remember, it is a small town and getting quality writers must be hard.
His time as the Post Media sports guys is winding down. I hear he is going to have a big retirement party with all his detractors.
