Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Burrowsaurus]

The goal is to get a RD not another LD (i.e., Chychrun). We've been forcing LDs to play RD because we don't have a good, top 4 RD option. And, there are 2 paths to acquiring a player: trade & UFA. You seem to be assuming that a trade is the only path.

Im Not. My way is keeping chychrun and getting UFAs. This years list is great. And I think chychrun would sign for something reasonable. And lots of #4 and 6 options in UFA for the right side that I think could be had for under 3.

 

[TheNewEra]

I’ll bet Forsberg gets traded - decent salary and term for a guy who can help a team make the playoffs

This is interesting to say the least. Issue is thst you can't trust soogard. So we will need a 1b goalie. Most 1b ufas will probably end up costing more in cap hit than Forsberg (brossoit/nedeljkovic/dreidger/kahkonen/de Smith).

I would still make the move but it most likely forces our hand to spend more on a backup goalie which takes away money from rest of the roster

 

[BondraTime]

Playoff teams aren’t going to be trading for an oft injured career backup/1b with another year.

 

[Big Muddy]

Im Not. My way is keeping chychrun and getting UFAs. This years list is great. And I think chychrun would sign for something reasonable. And lots of #4 and 6 options in UFA for the right side that I think could be had for under 3.

Not sure about a good 4D at under $3 m. I'd like the RD to be as good as Zub for reference.

That would be below the #26 on this list. Some of those on the list below are bound to get raises. At least there are fair amount available this summer though.

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[TonySoprano11]

Terrible post.

I guess you can call that an opinion.

 

[bicboi64]

The following summer, the cap is expected to hit $92M from $87.5M. That gives you another $4.5M on top of the $8M you should still have. $12.5M in cap to replace Giroux, potentially, and to add another piece to the bottom 6 again.

How much cap and draft capital does a team need when they're entering a competitive window? This is worrying about tomorrow when you should be worried about today.

They have a ton of cap space. Draft capital should be used to augment the core that will remain, rather than to create a constant stream of inexperienced players who can't fill veteran roles. 3-4 years is not a realistic timeline to competitiveness. Honestly, that seems like the absolute worst case scenario.

We don't know exactly how much the cap is going to jump up. Plus, we'll need to extend Giroux and find a replacement for him in the top 6.

Having cap space + cheap ELC talent is very useful to have when going FA hunting or needing to trade assets for a vet or two.

Pinto and Greig will need contracts as well. $18 million will get eaten up quite fast. Let's assume both of them cost $8 million.

Having $10 million for another RD, and 2-3 solid middle 6 players isn't ideal.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

They don't play until Saturday. Feels like an optimal time to get something done if there is any traction.

 

[Cosmix]

I understand first round picks are sexy but like why do we need 15 of them this year.

Budget?

I certainly hope that the owner has not set a low budget for the next few years to help pay off his debt on the purchase of the team.

 

[Big Muddy]

We don't know exactly how much the cap is going to jump up. Plus, we'll need to extend Giroux and find a replacement for him in the top 6.

Having cap space + cheap ELC talent is very useful to have when going FA hunting or needing to trade assets for a vet or two.

Pinto and Greig will need contracts as well. $18 million will get eaten up quite fast. Let's assume both of them cost $8 million.

Having $10 million for another RD, and 2-3 solid middle 6 players isn't ideal.

I've seen people mention we have a lot of cap space. That depends on what we want to do with the "available" space, and there may not be as much as some people seem to be thinking either depending on how grandiose the plan that is envisioned.

Pinto will need a new contract, and either Tarasenko will be re-signed, or replaced.

Then folks are talking about adding a RD.

Maybe some feel one of Chabot or Chychrun will go which will help, while others think we'll keep both. If we keep Chabot and spend $7 m on a RD (plus the 2nd line winger and Pinto's new contract), we will have less than $500k of cap space next year.

If we keep Chychrun and move Chabot (plus the 2nd line winger & new Pinto contract), then yes there's a good amount of cap space (just under $4 m).

If we keep both Chychrun and Chabot, then something else will need to give and get dialed back in a rather large way.

 

[bicboi64]

I've seen people mention we have a lot of cap space. That depends on what we want to do with the "available" space, and there may not be as much as some people seem to be thinking either depending on how grandiose the plan that is envisioned.

Pinto will need a new contract, and either Tarasenko will be re-signed, or replaced.

Then folks are talking about adding a RD.

Maybe some feel one of Chabot or Chychrun will go which will help, while others think we'll keep both. If we keep Chabot and spend $7 m on a RD (plus the 2nd line winger and Pinto's new contract), we will have less than $500k of cap space next year.

If we keep Chychrun and move Chabot (plus the 2nd line winger & new Pinto contract), then yes there's a good amount of cap space (just under $4 m).

If we keep both Chychrun and Chabot, then something else will need to give and get dialed back in a rather large way.

I couldn't agree more. I'm fine with moving on from both Chychrun and Chabot, but am good with keeping one of either (but refuse to pay Chychrun a penny more than $8 million).

Plus we don't know how much Pinto and Greig will eat up, so I don't think management should operate with the assumption that cap raises will let us have more room to play around.

 

[Cosmix]

I agree with a lot of this but I don't think spending 24M on three D (even LD) is a problem.

Tampa won two cups with Hedman, McDonagh and Sergachev all spending most of their time at LD at even strength.

They didn't make 24M, but were close to 20M combined when the cap was lower, and that's with Sergachev on a bridge deal, whereas we smartly locked up Sanderson long-term.

If we had a couple good defensive RD prospects coming through the pipeline to round out the D, I would gladly re-sign Chychrun.

Problem is we have Kleven who projects as the perfect 3rd pairing LD and big holes at RD, so moving Chychrun or Chabot makes sense.

We just need 1 very good RD to play in the top 4. We could pay Chychrun $8M and keep the top D we have now (i.e., Chabot, Chychrun, Sanderson & Zub). However, if we pay that RD $4M, we would have to reduce costs elsewhere such as the Bottom 6 F, the Goaltenders (dump Forsberg for a $1M G), and the 6th D (might be Kleven but we could trade Kleven+ to get a better RD).

 

[Tuna99]

This is interesting to say the least. Issue is thst you can't trust soogard. So we will need a 1b goalie. Most 1b ufas will probably end up costing more in cap hit than Forsberg (brossoit/nedeljkovic/dreidger/kahkonen/de Smith).

I would still make the move but it most likely forces our hand to spend more on a backup goalie which takes away money from rest of the roster

TBH i think Ottawa needs to replace all 3 of their goalies at the top of their lineup card. Just start over because these guys aren’t getting this team anywhere, Forsberg IMO the best of the 3 but also the easiest to trade

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

TBH i think Ottawa needs to replace all 3 of their goalies at the top of their lineup card. Just start over because these guys aren’t getting this team anywhere, Forsberg IMO the best of the 3 but also the easiest to trade

it will be interesting to see how Forsberg plays in front of this “new” team

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I'd like Jonsson-Fjallby as LW4 in the place of Kubalik

I like the idea of having him at camp next year, even if he just gets claimed on waivers before the season

Fast, hardworking, well-liked, and willing to accept whatever role is asked of him (his many limitation notwithstanding)

 

[Duncstar]

We don't need draft capital! We need to be winning NOW. We need to be trading draft picks for players to help this team win. Do you want to sit around for four years why these 4 mid to late first round picks MAYBE mature into something decent. Or watch them become Lassi Thompson, JBD, and Brannstrom?

We're done building. Enough waiting around. It's go time.

Bro, not draft them, use the draft capital to TRADE for them. Like we do need to rebuild our pipeline, but if you got 4 1sts you figure a way to I dunno get one of Markstrom or Pesce, Parayko (buyer beware), Tanev, Roy, etc etc.

I hope that clears up the confusion of when I said, go get a goalie and rhd. With all those 1sts I got from turning Chabot and Pageau into multiple picks.

 

[Cosmix]

Not sure about a good 4D at under $3 m. I'd like the RD to be as good as Zub for reference.

That would be below the #26 on this list. Some of those on the list below are bound to get raises. At least there are fair amount available this summer though.

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As good as Zub would probably cost at least what Zub is being paid: $4.6M per for a 4 or 5 year term.

I'd like Jonsson-Fjallby as LW4 in the place of Kubalik

I like the idea of having him at camp next year, even if he just gets claimed on waivers before the season

Fast, hardworking, well-liked, and willing to accept whatever role is asked of him (his many limitation notwithstanding)

Why? What are his strengths and weaknesses?

it will be interesting to see how Forsberg plays in front of this “new” team

Not only "how he plays" but also "if he can play a full season without getting injured"!

 

[Relapsing]

The reality is that you need cheap elc talent to rotate into your lineup to make a go of it in a cap world.

If you draft well, those elc players are good players that deserve big raises and push out guys running out their contract so we can get draft capital or fill holes and keep the elc rotating ferris wheel of awesome going.

Think Tampa for like, a decade. That's what we should want to be.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Ceci plays a similar role to Zub for a similar cap hit, but we're not getting him. He is playing extremely well in Edmonton and is very important for them. He has one of the best value contracts in the league right now.

Zub is more than a #4D. We lucked out with him, especially that we still got him for cheap after Dorion only bridged him to make room for JBD and Thomson!

There aren't going to be many examples of RHDs who can be had for 4.6M or less, play 20+ minutes a night in a matchup role with incredibly difficult deployment, and are actually available with term, or if they are a pending UFA want to extend here here. It's likely why we're tied to Tanev, despite the risks that come with his age. Even with Tanev I assume he wouldn't sign here unless we overpay in AAV or term.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Why? What are his strengths and weaknesses?

As I said, he's extremely fast. His breakaway speed is up there with the best. Strong systems play and he works and forechecks like his job depends on it (it does). Strong PK ability.

On the other hand, there's not much offensive upside. He can play the cycle and create opportunities with his speed and compete, but he's not an NHL quality finisher or playmaker.

He's kinda like Chartier but with blazing speed instead of being a C. Another way to put it is a smaller, less physical, less offensively inclined, but more energetic, consistent, detail-oriented Formenton (with no known charges laid or pending).

He is the perfect 9th or 10th winger in a good teams depth chart, and we are not good nor perfect.

 

[HSF]

If we keep Chychrun then I wouldnt mind just going after a more bigger 3rd pair. Maybe a Savard retained

 

[PlayersLtd]

TBH i think Ottawa needs to replace all 3 of their goalies at the top of their lineup card. Just start over because these guys aren’t getting this team anywhere, Forsberg IMO the best of the 3 but also the easiest to trade

You want to replace Sogaard? What is the point of that? Are you concerned about Leevi's ice time in Belleville?

 

[Tuna99]

You want to replace Sogaard? What is the point of that? Are you concerned about Leevi's ice time in Belleville?

Just don’t think Sogaard has it in him. He’s not a starter no way you can trust him to get you trophies.
Young goalies need time but your fundamental makeup and competative soiriti count for 90% and to me Sogaard doesn’t have the competitive soirit

 

[PlayersLtd]

Just don’t think Sogaard has it in him. He’s not a starter no way you can trust him to get you trophies.
Young goalies need time but your fundamental makeup and competative soiriti count for 90% and to me Sogaard doesn’t have the competitive soirit

With all our luck with goalies over the years and no fall back plan, giving up on our top prospect because of one tough stint when the only cost is the minutes he's taking up in the AHL seems like very bad asset management to me.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The reality is that you need cheap elc talent to rotate into your lineup to make a go of it in a cap world.

If you draft well, those elc players are good players that deserve big raises and push out guys running out their contract so we can get draft capital or fill holes and keep the elc rotating ferris wheel of awesome going.

Think Tampa for like, a decade. That's what we should want to be.

The reality is Dorion should not have been in the position to trade away the picks he gave up for either DeBrincat or Chychrun. He was in self / job preservation mode trying to add to a roster not ready to compete in the playoffs and giving up quality future assets to do it. The team/org would be in much better shape right now if he didn't do either of the moves. This is amplified by having to give up DeBrincat after a year and now possibly even likely having to move Chychrun to acquire team needs.

Neither Chychrun nor DeBrincat are bad players ... they are good players .. they barely help move the team up in the standings and they are not really what the team needed.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

The reality is Dorion should not have been in the position to trade away the picks he gave up for either DeBrincat or Chychrun. He was in self / job preservation mode trying to add to a roster not ready to compete in the playoffs and giving up quality future assets to do it. The team/org would be in much better shape right now if he didn't do either of the moves. This is amplified by having to give up DeBrincat after a year and now possibly even likely having to move Chychrun to acquire team needs.

Neither Chychrun nor DeBrincat are bad players ... they are good players .. they barely help move the team up in the standings and they are not really what the team needed.

You just know we'd be offering our unprotected 1st this year for Zegras or something like that if Dorion was still around.