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Tuna99 said:
Just don’t think Sogaard has it in him. He’s not a starter no way you can trust him to get you trophies.
Young goalies need time but your fundamental makeup and competative soiriti count for 90% and to me Sogaard doesn’t have the competitive soirit
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He has incredible numbers in Belleville this year. He’s still very young (only just turned 23). Give him some time - this is a normal development path for a goalie.
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The Devilish Buffoon said:
As I said, he's extremely fast. His breakaway speed is up there with the best. Strong systems play and he works and forechecks like his job depends on it (it does). Strong PK ability.

On the other hand, there's not much offensive upside. He can play the cycle and create opportunities with his speed and compete, but he's not an NHL quality finisher or playmaker.

He's kinda like Chartier but with blazing speed instead of being a C. Another way to put it is a smaller, less physical, less offensively inclined, but more energetic, consistent, detail-oriented Formenton (with no known charges laid or pending).

He is the perfect 9th or 10th winger in a good teams depth chart, and we are not good nor perfect.
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Sounds like Joseph too.
 
Sens of Anarchy said:
The reality is Dorion should not have been in the position to trade away the picks he gave up for either DeBrincat or Chychrun. He was in self / job preservation mode trying to add to a roster not ready to compete in the playoffs and giving up quality future assets to do it. The team/org would be in much better shape right now if he didn't do either of the moves. This is amplified by having to give up DeBrincat after a year and now possibly even likely having to move Chychrun to acquire team needs.

Neither Chychrun nor DeBrincat are bad players ... they are good players .. they barely help move the team up in the standings and they are not really what the team needed.
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100%. Neither are bad players. Neither are what we should have or needed to do.

It's criminal. We'd have two ELC contracts (likely forward and d) playing with the team right now.

Whatever - what's done is done.

As for what to do now? Idk. It's tough. Getting rid of Senko, Kubalik, Hamonic and Branny nets us ~ 7.5M in cap if we replace them with ELC/League min contracts. So off they go.

Norris to wing - he 'replaces' Senko. Pinto moves up the line-up to 2C. Mix up the top 6 however you want. Greig slots into 3C with Joseph and probably a league min vet.

Keep Chych through this trade deadline. acquire 1-2 RD using the 7.5M in savings above, plus dead money coming off the books. go into next year running each LD on their own pairing. Nuts to forcing one of them to move over. I have no idea if this works with Sandy's next deal but I'm too lazy to run all the numbers and factor in dead money coming off the books.

Otherwise, do all the above but trade Chych for ideally an RD or futures you can use to flip for one.

Between Dorion's inability to identify what was needed to complete this roster, his absolute stupidity costing us draft capital, and the league and board dragging ass in completing the sale pushing everyone's timeline back... many possibilities have been narrowed down to few options to sort this out.

Also, Dorion was a f*cking idiot for giving Norris a full 8 yr contract. If he was on a 4-5 year deal, it would line up with good ELC rotation and we could ship him out knowing his replacement was already here. SIGH.

The one saving grace is we likely have a top 10 pick this year. Here's hoping whoever they nab can slot in immediately next year. We're gonna need around 3 years of this, and a fanbase and ownership group who has the stomach to move out players when they need to be moved.
 
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I have a spreadsheet that I am using to track past, current & projected salaries for our players, some of whom will undoubtedly be replaced by UFAs or prospects/picks.

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The Devilish Buffoon said:
A little bit, I think Jo has much better offensive skill and vision while also being much stronger. But there are similarities in their bread and butter for sure
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Formenton scored 18 goals one season. Joseph's top season he had 13 goals. He seems to be more like Joseph than Formenton offensively.

I like both of them as 3rd or 4th line wingers.
 
Sens of Anarchy said:
The reality is Dorion should not have been in the position to trade away the picks he gave up for either DeBrincat or Chychrun. He was in self / job preservation mode trying to add to a roster not ready to compete in the playoffs and giving up quality future assets to do it. The team/org would be in much better shape right now if he didn't do either of the moves. This is amplified by having to give up DeBrincat after a year and now possibly even likely having to move Chychrun to acquire team needs.

Neither Chychrun nor DeBrincat are bad players ... they are good players .. they barely help move the team up in the standings and they are not really what the team needed.
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The other issue was that Dorion kept the same coach through all this and he used those players poorly. I think last year's roster was good enough to squeak in to the playoffs.

I think the current roster is a playoff team, if coached properly for 82 games. But Dorion added these players (at the expense of huge draft capital) knowing that "be harder on pucks" was the extent of the coaching they were going to get.

It was the epitome of the cart before the horse.
 
BigRig4 said:
He has incredible numbers in Belleville this year. He’s still very young (only just turned 23). Give him some time - this is a normal development path for a goalie.
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There is a free solution, search 2Chains posts

(Or pay 6$ per year for AdGuard for iPhone, works like a charm, no ads)

I think if you sponsor here it’s the same result, not sure the minimum annual commitment
 
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Alf Silfversson said:
The other issue was that Dorion kept the same coach through all this and he used those players poorly. I think last year's roster was good enough to squeak in to the playoffs.

I think the current roster is a playoff team, if coached properly for 82 games. But Dorion added these players (at the expense of huge draft capital) knowing that "be harder on pucks" was the extent of the coaching they were going to get.

It was the epitome of the cart before the horse.
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Not to mention that the players he acquired weren't the ones who were going to "be harder on the puck".
 
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PlayersLtd said:
With all our luck with goalies over the years and no fall back plan, giving up on our top prospect because of one tough stint when the only cost is the minutes he's taking up in the AHL seems like very bad asset management to me.
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I want Sogaard to make it and be Ben Bishop but I don’t see that- but happy to be wrong
 
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armani said:
Craig Oster aka Pierre Dorion's daddy. Oster milked Dorion like old school dairy farmers milk their cows in the morning.
Dorion has committed $134,374,961 on 7 of Oster's clients.
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Holy shit
 
If he's switching agents, he's serious about his next contract. If he's serious about his next contract, he's most likely interested in being moved.

Nothing brings in the money like a good playoff performance going into UFA status.
 
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Maybe he will sign an extension at the deadline with the team that acquires him.

Washington might be a good destination. Lots of Craig Oster clients, so there is a connection there. They just lost Kuznetsov. They are a few points out of a Wild Card spot. They may not want to give up assets for a rental, but if Tarasenko extends he is a long-term piece.

If there aren't teams open to giving up a 1st for Tarasenko, maybe it could be a scenario where Ottawa can get a 1st from Washington for him with an extension, but they need to take back a roster player with term to subsidize Tarasenko's extension.

As in, Washington is fine with meeting Tarasenko's ask (let's say 5M-6M over 3-4 years) if Ottawa takes TVR off their books (3M AAV for 2 more years after this season). Then from Washington's POV, Tarasenko would really be costing them 3M the next 2 seasons since they dumped cap.

Washington is also a team that could give Tarasenko term without worrying because in 2-3 years after a Tarasenko contract might be bad, they are likely to start a long rebuild where it won't matter if Tarasenko is ineffective. All that matters is trying to squeeze something out of the next 2-3 seasons when Ovechkin is still in the league.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
Maybe he will sign an extension at the deadline with the team that acquires him.

Washington might be a good destination. Lots of Craig Oster clients, so there is a connection there. They just lost Kuznetsov. They are a few points out of a Wild Card spot. They may not want to give up assets for a rental, but if Tarasenko extends he is a long-term piece.

If there aren't teams open to giving up a 1st for Tarasenko, maybe it could be a scenario where Ottawa can get a 1st from Washington for him with an extension, but they need to take back a roster player with term to subsidize Tarasenko's extension.

As in, Washington is fine with meeting Tarasenko's ask (let's say 5M-6M over 3-4 years) if Ottawa takes TVR off their books (3M AAV for 2 more years after this season). Then from Washington's POV, Tarasenko would really be costing them 3M the next 2 seasons since they dumped cap.

Washington is also a team that could give Tarasenko term without worrying because in 2-3 years after a Tarasenko contract might be bad, they are likely to start a long rebuild where it won't matter if Tarasenko is ineffective. All that matters is trying to squeeze something out of the next 2-3 seasons when Ovechkin is still in the league.
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I'd do Tarasenko for TVR. Heck I'd take Mantha off their books this year as well if they throw in a 2nd rounder. We can just let Mantha go in UFA and get a 2nd for free (Caps have 3 second-rounders in 2025).

I'd prefer to get Jensen off them cuz he's better than TVR, but TVR would be a decent dept RD.
 
bicboi64 said:
I'd do Tarasenko for TVR. Heck I'd take Mantha off their books this year as well if they throw in a 2nd rounder. We can just let Mantha go in UFA and get a 2nd for free (Caps have 3 second-rounders in 2025).

I'd prefer to get Jensen off them cuz he's better than TVR, but TVR would be a decent dept RD.
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I don't think TVR has much value league wide but I could be wrong. If he does, then he is a bad example for what I meant. Maybe Sonny Milano is a better example.

The basic premise being, Washington could check a lot of boxes by trading for Tarasenko now vs waiting to see if he will sign in the off season. Ottawa could take back a bad contract to get an inflated return, and Washington gets both a long-term piece and a rental. They may not want to give up assets strictly for a rental given their position in the standings.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
Ceci plays a similar role to Zub for a similar cap hit, but we're not getting him. He is playing extremely well in Edmonton and is very important for them. He has one of the best value contracts in the league right now.

Zub is more than a #4D. We lucked out with him, especially that we still got him for cheap after Dorion only bridged him to make room for JBD and Thomson!

There aren't going to be many examples of RHDs who can be had for 4.6M or less, play 20+ minutes a night in a matchup role with incredibly difficult deployment, and are actually available with term, or if they are a pending UFA want to extend here here. It's likely why we're tied to Tanev, despite the risks that come with his age. Even with Tanev I assume he wouldn't sign here unless we overpay in AAV or term.
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Not that I'm at all interested in adding him, but I'm curious, is there a good advanced stats argument for Ceci's play?

Just asking because it came up at hockey last night and about half my team are Oilers fans. They were unanimous that they want Holland to upgrade on Ceci as the main priority at the deadline.

They all acknowledged liking him earlier in his time in Edmonton, but argued he has tailed off and hasn't been very good and should be playing lower in the lineup if they want to seriously contend.

I argued they just reeled of 16 in a row, but they still focused on hammering him being the weak link if he stays where he is in the lineup.
 
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