Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Boud]

Seems like a lot of people are down on Norris. He's pacing at almost 50 points coming off of major surgery where the focus would have been rehab not strength training. At 8M AAV and with projected cap growth, his contract isn't outrageous. The center position is a huge strength for us. No need to move any of them.

What we need to sort out is the LD position and how we get a decent RD out of the LD strength

I think a lot of people were skeptical about Norris sustaining a 8M$ level of play from the get go. He's got an amazing shot and he plays center but I think a lot of people were debating whether he would be worth that price tag even before the injury. He's always been a softer player and he doesn't really play like a center. He's not the type of center that makes players around him better, he needs guys that complement him on his line for him to be productive and he won't be the guy to make his linemates better. I think it's a shame that him, Tkachuk and Batherson can't find a groove because they were a great fit a few seasons ago. I think all 3 have been struggling this season actually. Batherson had his moments and so does Tkachuk but they've been really bad for chunk of games.

Add the multiple shoulder injuries on top of that, the team being one of the worst in the NHL, Norris not playing well at all, and it's not all that surprising that some people are down on him.

The real issue is that the team is not playing well and Norris has not played well at any point this season really. This team needs Norris to play at a 8M$ level to even sniff the playoffs so naturally people are (probably unreasonably) frustrated.

I'm anxious to see what he'll look like next year with a full offseason to get stronger, faster and reinforce that shoulder.

Besides, there's no point in discussing trading Norris right now we would get nothing valuable for a guy on that type of contract who still hasn't proven he can play longer periods of time without his shoulder giving up. He's never really proved he's worth that contract either and certainly the last 2 years haven't helped.

 

[OgieO]

Riiight. Thank you guys/gals. I totally forgot about Mando going down to offset some. No need for a move other than a simple waiver of a 4th liner or another LTIR move.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

An intriguing bridge option on RD - Radko Gudas. Playoff warrior coming off of a finals appearance last year who brings exactly what our back end lacks - grit.

Signed for two more years in Anaheim, who won’t be contenders. He’s somehow a +17 there on a terrible team - that would put him ahead of everyone on Ottawa.

He could make an impact here, as he currently has more goals than all of our blue liners but Chychrun and Sanderson, and would definitely give Brady some relief in the toughness department.

Guess has always been good. Waaaaaaay better than Branny and jbd and hamonic

 

[Micklebot]

Guess has always been good. Waaaaaaay better than Branny and jbd and hamonic

Gudas is a good 4/5 option, while Hamonic and JBD battle it out for the 7 spot...

problem with Gudas is he has a full NTC this year, 16 team next year, and just signed a multi year deal in Anaheim after leaving Florida. I get the feeling the weather is important to him...

 

[JD1]

I think a lot of people were skeptical about Norris sustaining a 8M$ level of play from the get go. He's got an amazing shot and he plays center but I think a lot of people were debating whether he would be worth that price tag even before the injury. He's always been a softer player and he doesn't really play like a center. He's not the type of center that makes players around him better, he needs guys that complement him on his line for him to be productive and he won't be the guy to make his linemates better. I think it's a shame that him, Tkachuk and Batherson can't find a groove because they were a great fit a few seasons ago. I think all 3 have been struggling this season actually. Batherson had his moments and so does Tkachuk but they've been really bad for chunk of games.

Add the multiple shoulder injuries on top of that, the team being one of the worst in the NHL, Norris not playing well at all, and it's not all that surprising that some people are down on him.

The real issue is that the team is not playing well and Norris has not played well at any point this season really. This team needs Norris to play at a 8M$ level to even sniff the playoffs so naturally people are (probably unreasonably) frustrated.

I'm anxious to see what he'll look like next year with a full offseason to get stronger, faster and reinforce that shoulder.

Besides, there's no point in discussing trading Norris right now we would get nothing valuable for a guy on that type of contract who still hasn't proven he can play longer periods of time without his shoulder giving up. He's never really proved he's worth that contract either and certainly the last 2 years haven't helped.

his numbers are down this year no doubt and coming off a year of injury is a large part of why. But even with the down numbers, he's paced at 30+ goals a year and 55+ points. It's very comfortably 2nd line production and his 8M salary as a mid tier 2nd line center isn't out of whack for the duration of the contract which I think is his floor.

 

[Loach]

I think a lot of people were skeptical about Norris sustaining a 8M$ level of play from the get go. He's got an amazing shot and he plays center but I think a lot of people were debating whether he would be worth that price tag even before the injury. He's always been a softer player and he doesn't really play like a center. He's not the type of center that makes players around him better, he needs guys that complement him on his line for him to be productive and he won't be the guy to make his linemates better. I think it's a shame that him, Tkachuk and Batherson can't find a groove because they were a great fit a few seasons ago. I think all 3 have been struggling this season actually. Batherson had his moments and so does Tkachuk but they've been really bad for chunk of games.

Add the multiple shoulder injuries on top of that, the team being one of the worst in the NHL, Norris not playing well at all, and it's not all that surprising that some people are down on him.

The real issue is that the team is not playing well and Norris has not played well at any point this season really. This team needs Norris to play at a 8M$ level to even sniff the playoffs so naturally people are (probably unreasonably) frustrated.

I'm anxious to see what he'll look like next year with a full offseason to get stronger, faster and reinforce that shoulder.

Besides, there's no point in discussing trading Norris right now we would get nothing valuable for a guy on that type of contract who still hasn't proven he can play longer periods of time without his shoulder giving up. He's never really proved he's worth that contract either and certainly the last 2 years haven't helped.

I want to see all the guys after an off season with things set up by the new strength and health guy.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I do think the Norris stuff is within reason. Almost anyone discussing it was looking at it as a way to potentially re-shape the team and hopefully receive quality in return. Those that think we should just give him away to get out from under the contract are few.

It will be interesting to see where Pinto's extension lands. A bridge deal over a big term contract could buy some time before any decisions need to be made about moving someone to wing or dealing someone.

 

[Boud]

I feel like John Marino could be a good pick-up in the offseason. He's signed at a decent AAV and is having a down year like the rest of the Devils ( he's also playing with Bahl who's not very good).

Devils have Hamilton and Nemec on the right side. I feel like he could be available and had at a decent price relative to other RHD.

Getting a RHD who can play 2nd pair minutes without completely breaking the bank. He also has 3 years left on his deal so gives us a bit of security.

If he goes back to his regular play like the last 2 years it could be a savvy move.

 

[TheNewEra]

With Florida looking for a more offensive option on their 3rd line I wonder if we could move kubalik for cousins

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I do think the Norris stuff is within reason. Almost anyone discussing it was looking at it as a way to potentially re-shape the team and hopefully receive quality in return. Those that think we should just give him away to get out from under the contract are few.

It will be interesting to see where Pinto's extension lands. A bridge deal over a big term contract could buy some time before any decisions need to be made about moving someone to wing or dealing someone.

That's the way I see it. It comes down to projection of Pinto and Greig as 2/3 Cs as well. No rush to trade Norris that's for sure.. Its just spit balling in an effort to make a hockey trade to fill in the roster and add a missing piece (top 4 defensively sound RD) .. Centers are coveted. Monahan just returned a 1st. Sens certainly currently project to have strength down the middle. Norris can represent $ out vs $ in when looking at it in this scenario as well.

 

[bicboi64]

I feel like John Marino could be a good pick-up in the offseason. He's signed at a decent AAV and is having a down year like the rest of the Devils ( he's also playing with Bahl who's not very good).

Devils have Hamilton and Nemec on the right side. I feel like he could be available and had at a decent price relative to other RHD.

Getting a RHD who can play 2nd pair minutes without completely breaking the bank. He also has 3 years left on his deal so gives us a bit of security.

If he goes back to his regular play like the last 2 years it could be a savvy move.

I'd love Marino, he's one of the perfect fits for us but NJD has been screwed by injuries this season and might not want to mess with good D depth.

 

[bicboi64]

Would you guys trade Dougie Hamilton for chychrun? Would they?

Nope, Hamilton is a bonafide #1 defender. We'd have to add to that.

 

[BrawlFan]

Nope, Hamilton is a bonafide #1 defender. We'd have to add to that.

Bonafide in 2021 hence the contract.

Devils fans openly question his defensive commitment and they have Nemec waiting for a spot.

If we retain both years they get a top 4 LHD for 2.25 saving them almost 7M in cap space for two years at which point they either reup with chych or let him walk or trade or or or.

Wouldn’t be the craziest thing. He doesn’t play D. Check their board.

 

[BrawlFan]

It’s stupid to trade chych regardless. I don’t get it.

What you need is a top 4 D. And the cap is going up. So you’re looking at what as a caphit?

Let’s just go with Weager as a RHD top 4 with a caphit of 7. He’s also older than chych. So that saves you 1M but you get an older player who plays right.

Let’s assume you get Tanev at 4. Won’t happen but let’s play it out. You’d have to find another D since he’s 35 and can you find another solid D for 4? Or are you now flooding closer to 9-10M on 2 players?

Chych is still the most fiscally wise decision. Even if you give him 8 and he underperforms he’s young enough to move if you retain. Karlsson got traded for god sakes and he was older, injury prone, and larger cap hit.

There are no comparable players you’re going to get for 8M without giving up a lot.

Now if you’re going to convince me that we can distribute that money my question is why? Why would we not take that 8M on a rising cap and invest it into a guy who is not too bad defensively.

Chabot has gotten better under Martin.

I would love to have Roy or Weager but both those players don’t offer Thé versatility that chych has. Injuries arise: chych is available.

The only guy I’m looking at is either Jiricek or Clarke. And we’d have to add to get them. But I’d gladly do it. Clarke is a local boy. I’d love to bring him home. Jiricek is solid too.

Those guys make more sense because you have short term cap savings that are substantial enough to get a forward and a Tanev and you have a long term piece available.

Trade the tank. Throw that first and bostons along with chych at an LA. That’s essentially 3 1sts. I’m sure they love Clarke but every player has a price.

 

[Xspyrit]

This is kind of what worries me though.

I feel like Norris is the type of player that has to score to be an effective top 6 player, and he mostly scores in one fashion.

Change the system, or find a guy who is more effective as the PP1 shooter option, and he could really really struggle to ever live up to that contract.

2020-21 : 56 GP 17 G 35 Pts (6 PPG, 14 PPP)
2021-22 : 66 GP 35 G 55 Pts (16 PPG, 23 PPP)
2023-24 : 40 GP 12 G 24 Pts (5 PPG, 10 PPP)

2020-21 : 35% of his goals and 40% of his points on the PP
2021-22 : 46% of his goals and 42% of his points on the PP
2023-24 : 32% of his goals and 42% of his points on the PP

It's not that he scores in one fashion but he's a guy who depends largely on the PP for having good numbers, probably that he is more focused defensively at ES but yeah, he needs to be on an efficient PP and need to be able to drop bombs

All players need to score to be effective top 6 forwards, you can't just be good defensively and Norris is also paid to score. We'll have to wait and see, 40 games is way too soon to draw conclusions.

Is anyone talking about trading Joseph anymore? I think in the 2023 offseason there was lots of talk that was arguably justified from his 2022-23 season.. but Joseph has silenced all of that with his play this year. If we look at the trade proposals on here through any time period they are often quite unrealistic. So let's say we forget about Joseph trade talk for now and look at Laughton while removing the Joseph lens.

Laughton pretty much is at the caliber and has the veteran attributes that Staios is looking for. He has some term so he is not bundled in with the UFAs at the TDL. I would definitely do Boucher and a 2025 2nd.

I don't know but I have seen it suggested a few times. Joseph should be "untouchable" for now. I mean, he makes less than 3.0 AAV and can play anywhere and be a spark plug, plus providing offense. He's also a top skater and great on the PK. No team is going to give you a Brandon Carlo for him so might as well keep him, you're not going to get back something you need/want more.

I'm not totally against having Laughton but I think there's better choices and there will be better opportunities. I really don't think we should BUY anything now at the deadline, it's the time of year with the highest buying prices.

We're just not in a position to buy, have to be ready game #1 and not game #37 lol. At least Staios and Andlauer should be very aware of this now.

 

[Keli]

How do we get Matt Roy with an extension.

 

[Loach]

2020-21 : 56 GP 17 G 35 Pts (6 PPG, 14 PPP)
2021-22 : 66 GP 35 G 55 Pts (16 PPG, 23 PPP)
2023-24 : 40 GP 12 G 24 Pts (5 PPG, 10 PPP)

2020-21 : 35% of his goals and 40% of his points on the PP
2021-22 : 46% of his goals and 42% of his points on the PP
2023-24 : 32% of his goals and 42% of his points on the PP

It's not that he scores in one fashion but he's a guy who depends largely on the PP for having good numbers, probably that he is more focused defensively at ES but yeah, he needs to be on an efficient PP and need to be able to drop bombs

All players need to score to be effective top 6 forwards, you can't just be good defensively and Norris is also paid to score. We'll have to wait and see, 40 games is way too soon to draw conclusions.



I don't know but I have seen it suggested a few times. Joseph should be "untouchable" for now. I mean, he makes less than 3.0 AAV and can play anywhere and be a spark plug, plus providing offense. He's also a top skater and great on the PK. No team is going to give you a Brandon Carlo for him so might as well keep him, you're not going to get back something you need/want more.

I'm not totally against having Laughton but I think there's better choices and there will be better opportunities. I really don't think we should BUY anything now at the deadline, it's the time of year with the highest buying prices.

We're just not in a position to buy, have to be ready game #1 and not game #37 lol. At least Staios and Andlauer should be very aware of this now.

We need pro scouts. Are we not due for a couple diamond in the rough trades?

 

[Keli]

Sign Chychrun 7x7, trade for Matt Roy and extend 4.6x4 (zub contract).

Sandy Zub
Chabot Roy
Chychrun JBD/Hamonic

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

How do we get Matt Roy with an extension.

The Los Angeles Kings currently hold his rights because he is under contract to him.

Because the NHL trade deadlines has not passed, the Ottawa Senators would be permitted to acquire Matt Roy in a trade. The Ottawa Senators would have to offer a trade proposal that is sufficiently enticing to the Los Angeles Kings. Numerous trades are proposed every day by sports franchises to other sports franchises in the same competing leagues, but the opposing team does not always find the trade proposal to be sufficiently enticing.

If the Ottawa Senators convince the Los Angeles Kings to make the trade, the Ottawa Senators would have to ensure that their roster is compliant with the upper limits of the National Hockey League salary cap.

Lastly, Matt Roy is on the final year of his National Hockey League standard players contract. He will be an unrestricted free agent. That means that Matt Roy can choose to sign with any of the 32 National Hockey League squads. Or, he can choose to sign with a competing like such as the Kontinental Hockey League that is located in Russia. The Ottawa Senators would have to offer Matt Roy a sufficiently enticing contract proposal to ensure that they would not risk losing him to free agency.

Your idea is a good one. I hope I have helped clarify the hurdles that Ottawa Senators General Manager Pierre Dorion would have to overcome to acquire Matt Roy in a trade with the Los Angeles Kings and sign him to an extension.

 

[Loach]

Sign Chychrun 7x7, trade for Matt Roy and extend 4.6x4 (zub contract).

Sandy Zub
Chabot Roy
Chychrun JBD/Hamonic

No

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

The floor for Chychrun is 8M. The ceiling is 9.5M. He is not signing for less than Chabot and Sanderson.

We have some cap flexibility going forward, but we are asset poor. We need a solid goalie, a top 4 RHD, and a top 6 scoring winger to replace Tarasenko.

Our two positions of strength are center and LD. We have a legit offensive 1C in Stutzle, and then three possibly 2Cs or strong middle 6Cs in Norris, Greig, and Pinto.

If we were loaded with assets, we could consider keeping all 3 LD and going after a Tanev type who might cost us a 1st and a 5M or so extension. The problem with that is it doesn't leave much to work with cap and asset wise to fill out other positions of need, and there are diminishing returns to having 5 top 4 defensemen, and 2 or those who would cost 8M+ each long term (Chabot and Chychrun) playing similar roles.

Then figure in that there is supposedly no real market for Chabot. It makes too much sense to expect them to trade Chychrun. It's just a matter of whether they can parlay the assets from the return into the right roster pieces.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Sign Chychrun 7x7, trade for Matt Roy and extend 4.6x4 (zub contract).

Sandy Zub
Chabot Roy
Chychrun JBD/Hamonic

We could certainly do worse. I think that contract is close to what Chychrun gets. A lot of money on that D in general though and think we're better off shifting some to F.

 

[TheNewEra]

No trades with LA until the offseason.

They just hired DJ Smith. By the offseason players values will be down since they won't know how to play defense

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

If any fake insiders want a solid Twitter rumor to use, float out Norris for Dubois but Ottawa wants LAK to take Korpisalo.

Then throw in a player on LA's side in a position that makes no sense for us to acquire like an offense oriented undersized left hand D.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

The floor for Chychrun is 8M. The ceiling is 9.5M. He is not signing for less than Chabot and Sanderson.

We have some cap flexibility going forward, but we are asset poor. We need a solid goalie, a top 4 RHD, and a top 6 scoring winger to replace Tarasenko.

Our two positions of strength are center and LD. We have a legit offensive 1C in Stutzle, and then three possibly 2Cs or strong middle 6Cs in Norris, Greig, and Pinto.

If we were loaded with assets, we could consider keeping all 3 LD and going after a Tanev type who might cost us a 1st and a 5M or so extension. The problem with that is it doesn't leave much to work with cap and asset wise to fill out other positions of need, and there are diminishing returns to having 5 top 4 defensemen, and 2 or those who would cost 8M+ each long term (Chabot and Chychrun) playing similar roles.

Then figure in that there is supposedly no real market for Chabot. It makes too much sense to expect them to trade Chychrun. It's just a matter of whether they can parlay the assets from the return into the right roster pieces.

.... why? He's clearly not as good as either one.

And, unlike when the other two signed, we have better, more important, more relied-on DMen under team control.