Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Loach]

Pass. No picks thrown in to get marginal upgrades on players that aren't even with the main club.

We gotta stop doing this. Adding draft capital to make marginal moves in the bottom 6 or bottom 2 d pairings.

Agreed. We have been conditioned during our captivity that we must add draft picks to everything. A previous post by somebody said we can't trade Chabot because it would mean taking money back. Same thinking. We'd be taking money back in players that address team needs, that make the team better.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Trading Joseph would be beyond moronic, we need to add players like him, not subtract



I don't see it. Anything over 8.0 AAV for Chychrun would be an overpayment. Sure, it's possible that we or another team does it but IMO he should be more around 7.0 AAV

Here is the list of D-men making between 8.0 and 9.5 (next season) :

Zachary Werenski, Seth Jones, Charlie McAvoy, Adam Fox, Darnell Nurse, Roman Josi, Cale Makar, Dougie Hamilton, Alex Pietrangelo, Mikhail Sergachev, Miro Heiskanen, Owen Power, Jake Sanderson, Brent Burns, John Carlson, Jacob Trouba, Thomas Chabot

Here are the guys who will make 7.0 to 8.0 AAV :

Hedman, Q. Hughes, Orlov, Spurgeon, Ekblad, Reilly, Dunn, D. Toews and M.E Vlasic



Scott Laughton is one of the most overrated players I have seen in a while, he's a glorified 3rd liner. The only reason he got 43 pts last season is because he had Brady Tkachuk ice-time and PP opportunity. I was arguing with a Flyers fan last summer who wanted Ottawa's 1st or Ridly Greig to take on Mathieu Joseph BURDEN of a contract AND wanted 1st + 2nd for Laughton

His proposals were like : Laughton for Joseph + 1st + 1st + 2nd

So not only Joseph > Laughton, but SL is nowhere near worth that. If a team wants to pay that, let them do it, hopefully they're from the Atlantic

If Staios pays Boston's 1st + Boucher for Laughton, he'd track to be the new Pierre. I wouldn't pay more than Boucher + Sens 2nd in 2025 (and that's because I give Boucher a lower value than most)

Agree with pretty much everything here.

 

[Micklebot]

If this is true, I could see this being our change of scenery move with Sokolov.

Sokolov and a pick for Berggren.

Berggren might be done in Detroit. If they keep him, he will cost 1.5M-2.0M on a 1 year deal next season because of his leverage with arbitration. He also won't be waiver exempt again next season.

Both Sokolov and Berggren are the same age, both have produced in the AHL but failed to stick in the NHL. Both are likely not going to be qualified by their respective teams. Berggren should be worth more, because he had that one big season so the Sens probably kick in a pick.

How is he worth trading Sokolov and a pick for if he can't stick in the NHL and he's going to leverage arbitration into a 1.5-2 mil deal, while not being waiver exempt?

 

[thinkwild]

I think the idea that if we traded Soks for Berggren that we should add a pick because we are getting the better player is based on the idea that trade values are based on a players worth instead of team leverages. The team leverages here are identical. Shouldnt need any picks added i wouldnt think

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Should have been in the DBC trade rather than Kubalik.

All part of Yzerman bending Dorion over and fish hooking him.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Per David Pagnotta, Sens interested in Jonathan Berggren

I could see their interest being greater around the Cat trade than now. He certainly has some of the attributes we'd want in the bottom 6 wrt his motor and style of play. I could see it being part of a bigger trade but when you look at the AHL rosters or prospects who is Yzerman going to want ?

I don't see Sokolov on that list. Probably looking at a list including Ostapchuk, Kleven, not sure who else

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Per David Pagnotta, Sens interested in Jonathan Berggren

I call massiv BS here lol. We’re after vets. But we will stray from that plan for Berggren?

 

[Crosside]

I have the impression that Staois try to fix what Bowness would have want over Dorion

Berggren for Kubalik retain + pick or prospect

I think Bowness want Marino , but Dorion have just Chychrun in head. So he gonna trade Chychrun for a rd

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I have the impression that Staois try to fix what Bowness would have want over Dorion

Berggren for Kubalik retain + pick or prospect

I think Bowness want Marino , but Dorion have just Chychrun in head. So he gonna trade Chychrun for a rd

Dorion did try and get Weegar

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

If I were to guess why we didn't get Marino, the price on dumping Zaitsev was likely higher in the summer than it was at the trade deadline. The rumored cost to dump JVR that offseason was a first round pick. JVR was owed a similar amount of cap, but over 1 year.

I'm sure Chychrun being available may have factored in as well, but it seems like it was a money thing. We were still a budget team. We only got Chychrun by dumping Zaitsev.

The optics of it would have been much worse but in the long-run, they would have been better paying a 1st to dump Zaitsev, and then getting Marino for a 2nd and a prospect (Brannstrom?). Marino would have been a better fit. He is cost controlled at a great cap hit. RHD are more difficult to find. Chychrun may not stay here anyways. We also might have made the playoffs with Marino on our team the entire year instead of Chychrun as a deadline addition.

I call massiv BS here lol. We’re after vets. But we will stray from that plan for Berggren?

I don't think his value is very high, and his current cap hit is in the six figures. It's not an either/or proposition.

It'd be like saying why is a team trading for Sokolov instead of a rental. The two aren't related.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Not surprised he was claimed.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Trading Joseph would be beyond moronic, we need to add players like him, not subtract



I don't see it. Anything over 8.0 AAV for Chychrun would be an overpayment. Sure, it's possible that we or another team does it but IMO he should be more around 7.0 AAV

Here is the list of D-men making between 8.0 and 9.5 (next season) :

Zachary Werenski, Seth Jones, Charlie McAvoy, Adam Fox, Darnell Nurse, Roman Josi, Cale Makar, Dougie Hamilton, Alex Pietrangelo, Mikhail Sergachev, Miro Heiskanen, Owen Power, Jake Sanderson, Brent Burns, John Carlson, Jacob Trouba, Thomas Chabot

Here are the guys who will make 7.0 to 8.0 AAV :

Hedman, Q. Hughes, Orlov, Spurgeon, Ekblad, Reilly, Dunn, D. Toews and M.E Vlasic



Scott Laughton is one of the most overrated players I have seen in a while, he's a glorified 3rd liner. The only reason he got 43 pts last season is because he had Brady Tkachuk ice-time and PP opportunity. I was arguing with a Flyers fan last summer who wanted Ottawa's 1st or Ridly Greig to take on Mathieu Joseph BURDEN of a contract AND wanted 1st + 2nd for Laughton

His proposals were like : Laughton for Joseph + 1st + 1st + 2nd

So not only Joseph > Laughton, but SL is nowhere near worth that. If a team wants to pay that, let them do it, hopefully they're from the Atlantic

If Staios pays Boston's 1st + Boucher for Laughton, he'd track to be the new Pierre. I wouldn't pay more than Boucher + Sens 2nd in 2025 (and that's because I give Boucher a lower value than most)

Is anyone talking about trading Joseph anymore? I think in the 2023 offseason there was lots of talk that was arguably justified from his 2022-23 season.. but Joseph has silenced all of that with his play this year. If we look at the trade proposals on here through any time period they are often quite unrealistic. So let's say we forget about Joseph trade talk for now and look at Laughton while removing the Joseph lens.

Laughton pretty much is at the caliber and has the veteran attributes that Staios is looking for. He has some term so he is not bundled in with the UFAs at the TDL. I would definitely do Boucher and a 2025 2nd.

 

[bert]

Braden Schneider is a third pairing dman at the moment. He may become more than that but it's highly unlikely that he will ever be as good as Chychrun.

He's 21 and playing behind Fox and Trouba. Pretty hard to play top 4 when that's the case. No he will never be a point producer like Chychrun but I think he's trending towards a zub like shut down rd who compliments an offensive lefty. He's big and he can skate and make a first pass. I could see him being A methot like d man and big D typically take longer to develop. Ottawa doesn't need 3 offensive ld men. Either chychrun or Chabot is going to go if they fill the hole on RD with it then so be it. He's exactly the type of player they should be targeting. Big physical d cores win games.

 

[Cosmix]

All part of Yzerman bending Dorion over and fish hooking him.

Dorion did not need any help to hoist himself on his own petard!

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Or maybe his trade value just keeps going down from here, and now is the exact right time to move him.

This aint a science.

But you're selling the expectation on the player, not the current production. If GMs think like you do, and believe they'd be buying low because he's going to bounce back to an $8M calibre player, all that gets priced in on the trade.

My concern is he bounces back to consistently play like a $4M player. Then that expectation is gone, along with any ability to trade him.

Point taken, but I wouldn't gauge Norris' ability based of this season alone.
If you look at his progression, it has been linear minus the year prior when he got injured.
I think it's a fair bet to see him solidifying himself as a 30-30 guy.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Point taken, but I wouldn't gauge Norris' ability based of this season alone.
If you look at his progression, it has been linear minus the year prior when he got injured.
I think it's a fair bet to see him solidifying himself as a 30-30 guy.

Blame Pinto. He's gonna either force Norris to the wing or one of them will have to be dealt eventually. Having Norris as a goal scoring winger may not be so bad if he starts to shoot the puck again.

 

[dumbdick]

Point taken, but I wouldn't gauge Norris' ability based of this season alone.
If you look at his progression, it has been linear minus the year prior when he got injured.
I think it's a fair bet to see him solidifying himself as a 30-30 guy.

I hope so. I've complained in the past about the occasional invisible stretch from him, even pre injury.

Guys like this i want to see a good motor and engagement level every night. That's when he's effective and thats why he's got this big contract. We all know he can do it, i just want to see it all the time.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Blame Pinto. He's gonna either force Norris to the wing or one of them will have to be dealt eventually. Having Norris as a goal scoring winger may not be so bad if he starts to shoot the puck again.

Shane Pinto's highest point total is 35. He's looked very good since joining the team but I'd wait before jumping the gun on him. Depending on what contract he gets this summer, he can either play 2nd line center shifting either Stutzle or Norris to the wing or if he gets a smaller contract can just slot in the 3rd line center position. No need to make move right now.

Actually, in the long run having all 3 centers playing in the top-6 wouldn't be a bad idea. Stutzle looks more like hybrid to me anyway.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Shane Pinto's highest point total is 35. He's looked very good since joining the team but I'd wait before jumping the gun on him. Depending on what contract he gets this summer, he can either play 2nd line center shifting either Stutzle or Norris to the wing or if he gets a smaller contract can just slot in the 3rd line center position. No need to make move right now.

Actually, in the long run having all 3 centers playing in the top-6 wouldn't be a bad idea. Stutzle looks more like hybrid to me anyway.

I totally agree, no rush, but I'm sold on Pinto proving out as a 2nd line center in this league here or elsewhere and will imo price himself out of the 3rd line role very quickly. If I had a gun to my head and had to choose out of the 2 today, I'd have to push my chips on Pinto. With Stutzle being the clear number 1, I think it's fair to at least question whether 8+ mil on your 2nd line center could be better used, but I think I'm on your side that we should wait to see if he can get back to shooting the puck more effectively and stacking points again. Greig's emergence is promising too.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

It looks like the market for centers is strong, but Norris will be difficult to move in anything but a hockey trade because of his cap hit.

If they move Norris, I wonder if his shoulder worries them. I would also wonder if it counts as a pre-existing condition for his contract. That would mean that he is not covered by insurance if he is out again with another shoulder injury. I get we're not a budget team, but most owners still would consider a player owed 52M to be a major liability in that scenario.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

It looks like the market for centers is strong, but Norris will be difficult to move in anything but a hockey trade because of his cap hit.

If they move Norris, I wonder if his shoulder worries them. I would also wonder if it counts as a pre-existing condition for his contract. That would mean that he is not covered by insurance if he is out again with another shoulder injury. I get we're not a budget team, but most owners still would consider a player owed 52M to be a major liability in that scenario.

Ya it is a ton of cash. I wouldn't be surprised if the potential reward overrides the concern for at least a few teams though. A team like say Calgary trying to retool on the fly should be all over it imo.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Ya it is a ton of cash. I wouldn't be surprised if the potential reward overrides the concern for at least a few teams though. A team like say Calgary trying to retool on the fly should be all over it imo.

Norris for Weegar with an expiring contract in if needed for cap implications.

(Assuming Weegar waives his NTC for Ottawa).

Calgary then keeps Tanev, as they have been rumoured to consider doing.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Norris for Weegar with an expiring contract in if needed for cap implications.

(Assuming Weegar waives his NTC for Ottawa).

Calgary then keeps Tanev, as they have been rumoured to consider doing.

I would do that yesterday. I'd be surprised at that for Norris though. Maybe I'm off base, but Weegar is a stud, currently carrying peak value I would think. Maybe they'd see something in Brannstrom and another piece to balance it out though.

Norris+Brannstrom+2nd for Weegar?

 

[Loach]

I would do that yesterday. I'd be surprised at that for Norris though. Maybe I'm off base, but Weegar is a stud, currently carrying peak value I would think. Maybe they'd see something in Brannstrom and another piece to balance it out though.

Norris+Brannstrom+2nd for Weegar?

They just traded Lindholm. Your trade should be the other way around. Weegar + 2nd + for Norris.

It looks like the market for centers is strong, but Norris will be difficult to move in anything but a hockey trade because of his cap hit.

If they move Norris, I wonder if his shoulder worries them. I would also wonder if it counts as a pre-existing condition for his contract. That would mean that he is not covered by insurance if he is out again with another shoulder injury. I get we're not a budget team, but most owners still would consider a player owed 52M to be a major liability in that scenario.

A hockey trade is exactly what we should be doing.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Norris+Brannstrom+2nd for Weegar?

Pierre is that you.