Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I don't think they'd move Laf, but they might move Kakko who's been ass this year and can be cheap to extend. Then again, depending on what we trade Laf might be available (even if it looks like he's broken out).

Chychrun at half retained with Kubalik might get us Laf, but even if they just give us Goodrow and a draft pick for Kubalik and Hamonic, I'm down for that. Goodrow is just what we need in our bottom 6.

Dumping Goodrow brings them more value than us retaining on Chychrun for 1.5 years.

 

[ottawagm]

Wouldn't worry about spending assets to dump our G until we fix our D. Need two solid experienced RHD. Maybe we move Forsberg if another team will give us something of value, or break even at least. But no point paying a 1st +++ to dump Korpi at this point.

Even Saros would look bad until the team has the right players up front.

Dumping Goodrow brings them more value than us retaining on Chychrun for 1.5 years.

I'd take Goodrow if they pay us a 1st or one of their young players.

 

[dumbdick]

Anybody see any value in nick robertson from the leafs?

After tank is gone, move Greig up into the top six and slip robertson into the 3rd line?


not sure what the leafs would expect back here.

 

[GCK]

Anybody see any value in nick robertson from the leafs?

After tank is gone, move Greig up into the top six and slip robertson into the 3rd line?


not sure what the leafs would expect back here.

No interest in the slightest.

 

[dumbdick]

No interest in the slightest.

Can i ask why?

He's roughly a ppg in the AHL and 0.5 ppg in the NHL this year averaging less than 11 mins of ice time.

Full disclosure, I'm no expert on his game so I don't fully undertand the knocks on his game (other than the fact that he's a super small dude and has some injury history).

I'm just targeting guys that might be jammed down roster with more to offer.

 

[BondraTime]

Sens should be offering Hakanpaa a 3 year 12-14 million dollar deal, get him and Chabot together, and then roll with:

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Hakanpaa
Kleven-JBD/UFA

You've got a lot of size, defensive ability, physicality, and offense together as a unit. 4 guys who can play 20+ minutes any given night, guys that compliment each other, and defined roles for every single guy

Dallas is going to have a tough time signing him, with 18 million to sign 5 forwards, 3 D and a goalie, including Duchene and Pavelski who are playing this year on team contracts of 3 mill each, and both Harley who will be due for a bigger contract, as well as Hakanpaa due for a bigger contract.

 

[SanderSen]

At least most of the dead cap ($4m+) and buyout funds are off the books this year. hmmm, maybe leaves room to perhaps deal Korpisalo and retain salary.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Can i ask why?

He's roughly a ppg in the AHL and 0.5 ppg in the NHL this year averaging less than 11 mins of ice time.

Full disclosure, I'm no expert on his game so I don't fully undertand the knocks on his game (other than the fact that he's a super small dude and has some injury history).

I'm just targeting guys that might be jammed down roster with more to offer.

He’s just not that good at the moment imo. He will carve out something for himself I just going think this is the place for him and not the style of guy we need

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

At least most of the dead cap ($4m+) and buyout funds are off the books this year. hmmm, maybe leaves room to perhaps deal Korpisalo and retain salary.

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Or start a new dead cap group by buying out Korpi.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Assuming Anton Forsberg will be on LTIR for the rest of the regular season, would you do Forsberg (LTIR) for Ryan Reaves?

They are already in LTI so adding another LTIR contract will not affect them at all this season, so long as Forsberg will not return until the playoffs. It will increase their pool of available cap relief since they will move an active player off of the books. This could help them leading into the trade deadline.

The situation that the Leafs are in with Reaves is that due to 35+ contract rules, they only get 200k in cap relief if they bury him. A buyout this offseason would cost them 1.8M (450k x 4 years). A Forsberg buyout would cost them almost the exact same amount 1.833M, but it would be spread over 2 years at 916k per season. So the buyouts would be similar, just structured differently, but it would get them cap space this season by dumping Reaves.

With that said, they do not have to buyout Forsberg to realize value. The cap hit of Forsberg next year is 1.6M if he is buried in the AHL. The cap hit of Reaves if he is buried for the next two seasons is 1.15M per season (2.3M total). That means that if the Leafs opt to not do the buyout, they would increase their cap in the 2024-25 season by 450k but they would gain 1.15M for the 2025-26 season.

Why does Ottawa do it? They already said they are having a difficult time finding veterans in trades. Forsberg seems to be a sunk cost. I don't think he will be here next season, and they might have to buy him out or swap him for another bad contract. While Reaves is no longer an everyday NHLer, having a pugilist would be very valuable down the stretch as games become more meaningless for a basement team and prone to utter BS from other teams. If we manage our cap properly next season and have room for a 23 player roster, Reaves would be a perfectly fine 13th or 14th forward, who could only come in when needed for contentious games. Would I sign Reaves to a 2 year 1.35M contract that cannot be buried? Probably not, but when you move out a sunk cost in Forsberg, it subsidizes the actual cost in cap to bring in Reaves.

 

[PlayersLtd]

Dakota Joshua is someone SS should be reaching out to in the offseason.

 

[Cosmix]

The problem was never DJ. Dorion never surrounded the kids with quality veterans to show them how to be professionals and leaders.

It was the three stooges: Melnyk, Dorion and Smith.

Smith was not a very good coach.

 

[scout20]

My prediction is Brady will get a Gordie Howe Hat Trick tonight!

 

[ottawagm]

Or start a new dead cap group by buying out Korpi.

Won't need to buyout Korpi for 2-3 years at least. Even if he plays as a backup. If Sogaard is ready he will have a <1M contract for a couple years.

 

[scout20]

Assuming Anton Forsberg will be on LTIR for the rest of the regular season, would you do Forsberg (LTIR) for Ryan Reaves?

They are already in LTI so adding another LTIR contract will not affect them at all this season, so long as Forsberg will not return until the playoffs. It will increase their pool of available cap relief since they will move an active player off of the books. This could help them leading into the trade deadline.

The situation that the Leafs are in with Reaves is that due to 35+ contract rules, they only get 200k in cap relief if they bury him. A buyout this offseason would cost them 1.8M (450k x 4 years). A Forsberg buyout would cost them almost the exact same amount 1.833M, but it would be spread over 2 years at 916k per season. So the buyouts would be similar, just structured differently, but it would get them cap space this season by dumping Reaves.

With that said, they do not have to buyout Forsberg to realize value. The cap hit of Forsberg next year is 1.6M if he is buried in the AHL. The cap hit of Reaves if he is buried for the next two seasons is 1.15M per season (2.3M total). That means that if the Leafs opt to not do the buyout, they would increase their cap in the 2024-25 season by 450k but they would gain 1.15M for the 2025-26 season.

Why does Ottawa do it? They already said they are having a difficult time finding veterans in trades. Forsberg seems to be a sunk cost. I don't think he will be here next season, and they might have to buy him out or swap him for another bad contract. While Reaves is no longer an everyday NHLer, having a pugilist would be very valuable down the stretch as games become more meaningless for a basement team and prone to utter BS from other teams. If we manage our cap properly next season and have room for a 23 player roster, Reaves would be a perfectly fine 13th or 14th forward, who could only come in when needed for contentious games. Would I sign Reaves to a 2 year 1.35M contract that cannot be buried? Probably not, but when you move out a sunk cost in Forsberg, it subsidizes the actual cost in cap to bring in Reaves.

Reaves is not a perfect 13th or 14th forward as he is a huge liability to his team every time he is on the ice!

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Assuming Anton Forsberg will be on LTIR for the rest of the regular season, would you do Forsberg (LTIR) for Ryan Reaves?

They are already in LTI so adding another LTIR contract will not affect them at all this season, so long as Forsberg will not return until the playoffs. It will increase their pool of available cap relief since they will move an active player off of the books. This could help them leading into the trade deadline.

The situation that the Leafs are in with Reaves is that due to 35+ contract rules, they only get 200k in cap relief if they bury him. A buyout this offseason would cost them 1.8M (450k x 4 years). A Forsberg buyout would cost them almost the exact same amount 1.833M, but it would be spread over 2 years at 916k per season. So the buyouts would be similar, just structured differently, but it would get them cap space this season by dumping Reaves.

With that said, they do not have to buyout Forsberg to realize value. The cap hit of Forsberg next year is 1.6M if he is buried in the AHL. The cap hit of Reaves if he is buried for the next two seasons is 1.15M per season (2.3M total). That means that if the Leafs opt to not do the buyout, they would increase their cap in the 2024-25 season by 450k but they would gain 1.15M for the 2025-26 season.

Why does Ottawa do it? They already said they are having a difficult time finding veterans in trades. Forsberg seems to be a sunk cost. I don't think he will be here next season, and they might have to buy him out or swap him for another bad contract. While Reaves is no longer an everyday NHLer, having a pugilist would be very valuable down the stretch as games become more meaningless for a basement team and prone to utter BS from other teams. If we manage our cap properly next season and have room for a 23 player roster, Reaves would be a perfectly fine 13th or 14th forward, who could only come in when needed for contentious games. Would I sign Reaves to a 2 year 1.35M contract that cannot be buried? Probably not, but when you move out a sunk cost in Forsberg, it subsidizes the actual cost in cap to bring in Reaves.

No.

 

[Kegu]

Assuming Anton Forsberg will be on LTIR for the rest of the regular season, would you do Forsberg (LTIR) for Ryan Reaves?

They are already in LTI so adding another LTIR contract will not affect them at all this season, so long as Forsberg will not return until the playoffs. It will increase their pool of available cap relief since they will move an active player off of the books. This could help them leading into the trade deadline.

The situation that the Leafs are in with Reaves is that due to 35+ contract rules, they only get 200k in cap relief if they bury him. A buyout this offseason would cost them 1.8M (450k x 4 years). A Forsberg buyout would cost them almost the exact same amount 1.833M, but it would be spread over 2 years at 916k per season. So the buyouts would be similar, just structured differently, but it would get them cap space this season by dumping Reaves.

With that said, they do not have to buyout Forsberg to realize value. The cap hit of Forsberg next year is 1.6M if he is buried in the AHL. The cap hit of Reaves if he is buried for the next two seasons is 1.15M per season (2.3M total). That means that if the Leafs opt to not do the buyout, they would increase their cap in the 2024-25 season by 450k but they would gain 1.15M for the 2025-26 season.

Why does Ottawa do it? They already said they are having a difficult time finding veterans in trades. Forsberg seems to be a sunk cost. I don't think he will be here next season, and they might have to buy him out or swap him for another bad contract. While Reaves is no longer an everyday NHLer, having a pugilist would be very valuable down the stretch as games become more meaningless for a basement team and prone to utter BS from other teams. If we manage our cap properly next season and have room for a 23 player roster, Reaves would be a perfectly fine 13th or 14th forward, who could only come in when needed for contentious games. Would I sign Reaves to a 2 year 1.35M contract that cannot be buried? Probably not, but when you move out a sunk cost in Forsberg, it subsidizes the actual cost in cap to bring in Reaves.

I was under the impression that due to how his contract was structured it did not count as a 35+ contract. Does that only apply for a buyout? Fairly certain they can send him down and have him only count for 200k against the cap.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I was under the impression that due to how his contract was structured it did not count as a 35+ contract. Does that only apply for a buyout? Fairly certain they can send him down and have him only count for 200k against the cap.

I was incorrect, it seems he can be buried for all but 200k.

There was conflicting discussion earlier in the season about the 35+ contract rules, and how it related to his contract.

 

[Bileur]

Assuming Anton Forsberg will be on LTIR for the rest of the regular season, would you do Forsberg (LTIR) for Ryan Reaves?

They are already in LTI so adding another LTIR contract will not affect them at all this season, so long as Forsberg will not return until the playoffs. It will increase their pool of available cap relief since they will move an active player off of the books. This could help them leading into the trade deadline.

The situation that the Leafs are in with Reaves is that due to 35+ contract rules, they only get 200k in cap relief if they bury him. A buyout this offseason would cost them 1.8M (450k x 4 years). A Forsberg buyout would cost them almost the exact same amount 1.833M, but it would be spread over 2 years at 916k per season. So the buyouts would be similar, just structured differently, but it would get them cap space this season by dumping Reaves.

With that said, they do not have to buyout Forsberg to realize value. The cap hit of Forsberg next year is 1.6M if he is buried in the AHL. The cap hit of Reaves if he is buried for the next two seasons is 1.15M per season (2.3M total). That means that if the Leafs opt to not do the buyout, they would increase their cap in the 2024-25 season by 450k but they would gain 1.15M for the 2025-26 season.

Why does Ottawa do it? They already said they are having a difficult time finding veterans in trades. Forsberg seems to be a sunk cost. I don't think he will be here next season, and they might have to buy him out or swap him for another bad contract. While Reaves is no longer an everyday NHLer, having a pugilist would be very valuable down the stretch as games become more meaningless for a basement team and prone to utter BS from other teams. If we manage our cap properly next season and have room for a 23 player roster, Reaves would be a perfectly fine 13th or 14th forward, who could only come in when needed for contentious games. Would I sign Reaves to a 2 year 1.35M contract that cannot be buried? Probably not, but when you move out a sunk cost in Forsberg, it subsidizes the actual cost in cap to bring in Reaves.

Fighters in their late 30’s aren’t great trade targets.

Reaves can’t keep up anymore and there really isn’t a need for that kind of deterrent in 2024.

While MacEwen isn’t great he’s good enough for our purposes and can move around better than Reaves.

 

[HSF]

Anybody see any value in nick robertson from the leafs?

After tank is gone, move Greig up into the top six and slip robertson into the 3rd line?


not sure what the leafs would expect back here.

i like him but I think he is too small for this management team

 

[PlayOn]

i like him but I think he is too small for this management team

Based on what? Unless I’m missing something this management team hasn’t even made a move so I don’t get it.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Fighters in their late 30’s aren’t great trade targets.

Reaves can’t keep up anymore and there really isn’t a need for that kind of deterrent in 2024.

While MacEwen isn’t great he’s good enough for our purposes and can move around better than Reaves.

We should be learning lessons from the actions of other teams. Acquiring Reaves would just be repeating the mistake Toronto made, unless it's so beneficial cap wise it makes sense otherwise. Reaves is done in the NHL as anything but a liability.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Wonder if we could find the basis of a deal with the Rangers around something like this:

Chychrun

- Schneider RD (RFA) going to get between 2.5-4 based on contract length.
- Goodrow 3 years left at $3.6, they want to get his money off the books badly. He’s also exactly the kind of veteran management is looking to add.
I don’t expect offence, I expect grit, effort, and character on our 4th line.

The Rangers have Fox and their captain Trouba ahead of him on the right side. While they need a puck moving offensive guy on the left.
Chychrun is on a great contract this year and next, then could sign longterm with the Rangers.

Thoughts?

 

[BrawlFan]

There are posters who just need to deal guys to keep the convo going.

I pray staois can use his noggin and not trade guys in a bad year bc of a bad coach.

 

[ottawagm]

Wonder if we could find the basis of a deal with the Rangers around something like this:

Chychrun

- Schneider RD (RFA) going to get between 2.5-4 based on contract length.
- Goodrow 3 years left at $3.6, they want to get his money off the books badly. He’s also exactly the kind of veteran management is looking to add.
I don’t expect offence, I expect grit, effort, and character on our 4th line.

The Rangers have Fox and their captain Trouba ahead of him on the right side. While they need a puck moving offensive guy on the left.
Chychrun is on a great contract this year and next, then could sign longterm with the Rangers.

Thoughts?

Value is an OK start, but would probably want at least a first and another good prospect (Cuylle?) if we're taking Goodrow back in the deal.

The cap may be going up but teams are going to use it up quick. Getting rid of a 3x3.6 deal will cost a 1st, like it would have with Joseph.