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If it's Edmonton, it will be something like 2024 1st, 2026 2nd (upgradeable to 2025 or 2026 1st of Edmonton makes Conference final), and a prospect.

Given their prospect pool is very weak, probably any prospect in their organization. Even Broberg isn't really a blue chip at this point.

Add in the Sens taking back an expiring or redundant contract for cap reasons.

I don't see them as a very exciting match.

The ask is going to be 3 first round assets, and they will settle for less but get a lot of quantity. They need to restock the cupboards with ammo to trade in the summer if they want to do a mini retool.
 
Joeyjoejoe said:
Jason York basically predicting that a core piece might get traded before the trade deadline in order to shock the locker room and its country club attitude.

I am gonna predict Josh Norris.

He's a #2 center with Pinto coming back in January and Greig already here. He's kind of in their way.

He's not that effective 5on5. Mostly a PP specialist with that shot.

Not that great defensively. Doesn't PK.

He's Brady's best friend.
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Before Norris injured his shoulder, didn't he play on the PK and was known as 200-ft player? I might be remembering incorrectly. If so, my apologies.
 
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Crosside said:
Of course Saros would have to be an extension in place
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He can’t until July

BUCKLE UP said:
Sure and we’re trading a 25 year old top pairing dman on a sweet heart deal and throwing in, who will be the most coveted forward at the deadline, with both of them at 50% retention.

Nothing against Willander, but we better be getting WAY more.
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I think that’s a bit pie in the sky, I’d be extremely surprised if we got any piece remotely as valuable as Willander.
 
Logically the Sens should get Chychrun's value as a rental (the rental price if he were a UFA) + his value to a team if traded this summer.

What's Chychrun's value as a pure rental for a playoff run? I'd guess at least a 1st.

What's his value if a contending team wanted to trade him in the summer to recoup some assets? I'd guess at least another 1st.

Coleman and Hagel returned multiple 1sts because they were signed for an extra year at great value. Chychrun is also signed for an extra year and should handily out-perform his 4.6M cap hit next year.

No way we should get less than at least two late 1st round picks in value in return. Should be more on top of that too.
 
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Hale The Villain said:
Logically the Sens should get Chychrun's value as a rental (the rental price if he were a UFA) + his value to a team if traded this summer.

What's Chychrun's value as a pure rental for a playoff run? I'd guess at least a 1st.

What's his value if a contending team wanted to trade him in the summer to recoup some assets? I'd guess at least another 1st.

Coleman and Hagel returned multiple 1sts because they were signed for an extra year at great value. Chychrun is also signed for an extra year and should handily out-perform his 4.6M cap hit next year.

No way we should get less than at least two late 1st round picks in value in return. Should be more on top of that too.
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It should be two first round picks and multiple lesser assets.

Teams are reticent to give up two firsts in a row, so they will likely have to settle for a prospect worth a 1st in place of one of the 1sts.

From an optics POV, the Sens either need to get boatloads of assets, or they need to get a stronger headline piece than is usually given up at the deadline because they have up what turned out to be 12th OA + two 2nds.
 
frightenedinmatenum2 said:
It should be two first round picks and multiple lesser assets.

Teams are reticent to give up two firsts in a row, so they will likely have to settle for a prospect worth a 1st in place of one of the 1sts.

From an optics POV, the Sens either need to get boatloads of assets, or they need to get a stronger headline piece than is usually given up at the deadline because they have up what turned out to be 12th OA + two 2nds.
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Agreed.

And I think it's worth pointing out that there is a big difference in value between a late 1st from a contender and the 1st we gave up for Chychrun.

I remember people saying "only one 1st?" when Chychrun was dealt last year, but the 12th OVR is probably worth around two late 1sts.

I don't think we'll get quite as much as we gave up, but two late 1sts (or equivalent value) should be the absolute floor.
 
Hale The Villain said:
Agreed.

And I think it's worth pointing out that there is a big difference in value between a late 1st from a contender and the 1st we gave up for Chychrun.

I remember people saying "only one 1st?" when Chychrun was dealt last year, but the 12th OVR is probably worth around two late 1sts.

I don't think we'll get quite as much as we gave up, but two late 1sts (or equivalent value) should be the absolute floor.
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I doubt that’s the type of return management would be looking for.
 
Apparently the Jets have been calling the Sens about Chychrun. If he gets traded there I would be looking for a return something like Jets 2024 1st, Rutger McGroarty, Logan Stanley and Dmitri Rashevsky.
 
RAFI BOMB said:
Apparently the Jets have been calling the Sens about Chychrun. If he gets traded there I would be looking for a return something like Jets 2024 1st, Rutger McGroarty, Logan Stanley and Dmitri Rashevsky.
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The rumor last week was Kupari, Chisholm and Winnipeg first in 25
 
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RAFI BOMB said:
Apparently the Jets have been calling the Sens about Chychrun. If he gets traded there I would be looking for a return something like Jets 2024 1st, Rutger McGroarty, Logan Stanley and Dmitri Rashevsky.
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Your dreaming if you think the Jets are trading McGroarty, it's already been reported that he is the only untouchable Jets prospect. And to think they would give him and a first round pick is just insane, that's more than Ottawa gave up to get Chychrun and he has 1 less year on his contract now
 
Latartoyl said:
Your dreaming if you think the Jets are trading McGroarty, it's already been reported that he is the only untouchable Jets prospect. And to think they would give him and a first round pick is just insane, that's more than Ottawa gave up to get him and he has 1 less year on his contract now
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The report was that the Jets wanted to be able to talk contract extension. If they negotiate a contract extension as part of the trade then it will cost them.
 
RAFI BOMB said:
The report was that the Jets wanted to be able to talk contract extension. If they negotiate a contract extension as part of the trade then it will cost them.
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That wasn't the report at all Garrioch clarified on Twitter that he meant the Sens want to talk to him about an extension before they decide if they are going to trade him.



And your still dreaming if you think McGroarty will be involved. It's already been reported that the Jets see him as their one untouchable prospect.
 
Rutger McGroarty would be like getting back the 1st from last year.

If they get a top 15 prospect from last year who has seen their stock rise, I don't think you can reasonably expect multiple 1st round assets, unless the market is much stronger for Chychrun than it was last year.
 
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frightenedinmatenum2 said:
Rutger McGroarty would be like getting back the 1st from last year.

If they get a top 15 prospect from last year who has seen their stock rise, I don't think you can reasonably expect multiple 1st round assets, unless the market is much stronger for Chychrun than it was last year.
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Fair enough. Chychrun for McGroarty, Stanley and Rashesvsky then.
 
RAFI BOMB said:
Fair enough. Chychrun for McGroarty, Stanley and Rashesvsky then.
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I don't know how to be more clear that it has been reported that the Jets view McGroarty as their only untouchable prospect. He isn't being traded, the team sees him as the future captain.
 
Micklebot said:
Even if Garrioch had said the Jets, Chychrun can't extend until after 1 Jul, so a deal contingent on an extension either happens in the summer or involves conditional picks
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That was my thought when Garrioch said that because I took it to mean WPG too. Like what? They literally can't.

Now it makes sense.
 
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Micklebot said:
Even if Garrioch had said the Jets, Chychrun can't extend until after 1 Jul, so a deal contingent on an extension either happens in the summer or involves conditional picks
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Teams can no longer make picks conditional on a player signing an extension.

The Senators could still give a team permission to talk to Chychrun. While they cannot file an extension until July 1st, they could get an idea of whether Chychrun would be willing to extend, and what his terms might be.
 
Latartoyl said:
I don't know how to be more clear that it has been reported that the Jets view McGroarty as their only untouchable prospect. He isn't being traded, the team sees him as the future captain.
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Then they ain’t getting a top pair dman on a $4M cap hit, just like how they didn’t get Mark Stone because they thought Roslovic was untouchable too.
 
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All this Chychrun trade talk when Chabot is the LD I would trade. Agree its a harder deal to make but that's the core piece that needs to be traded.
 
SensFactor said:
All this Chychrun trade talk when Chabot is the LD I would trade. Agree its a harder deal to make but that's the core piece that needs to be traded.
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Well, if Chychrun doesn't want to re-sign we have to move him asap, so that's something to consider as well.

Regardless of which one goes out, we need to get a RHD, preferably someone who is more defensive minded, either as part of the trade or in a follow-up move.
 
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If we're getting a RD back in the trade, he's not going to be a good one.

Can't see any non-playoff teams trading for Chych, and if they are I don't see a 1st outside of another teams like the Hronek trade last year, on the table, and definitely can't see any playoff teams giving up meaningful NHL players in season.
 
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