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RAFI BOMB said:
I posted a possible return a few posts back of Chychrun for Rutger McGroarty, Dmitri Rashevsky and Logan Stanley. We would get a big and physical depth d with some untapped upside, a prospect that fits the exact kind of player Staios is looking for, and an intriguing Russian prospect who is making an impact in the KHL.


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Thanks. I read about Rashevsky in the article I posted.

I'm not that excited about Stanley. Stanley's only played in 7 games this year. Yes, he's big, but what we need is a good, minute munching top 4 RD. I hope we aim at and land something much better than him.

Without that key RD, our chances at reaching the next level aren't as good. That is more likely to be an off-season addition though, quite possibly and hopefully through free agency.

As for Staois and his strategy, we haven't heard much from him. He's mentioned adding vets. That's about if from what I recall.
 
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Even if we would prefer to make a hockey trade using Chychrun, it might be better to maximize picks+prospects as the return because the trade deadline is usually a seller's market.

There is more player movement in the offseason, and we can then use those picks to fill the roster in trades.

Which isn't to say if the perfect hockey trade lines up at the TDL, or series of trades, we shouldn't go out and acquire a RHD or whatever the need we want to fill is. What I mean is that even if they get picks+prospects for Chychrun, doesn't close the door on still turning it into a hockey trade by moving those in the summer.
 
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it doesnt make a lot of sense to get more prospects for Chychrun unless they are ready to make the jump and I don't think anyone will give their best prospect

Better off getting picks then using them at the draft to get NHL players who other teams can't fit under the cap
 
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Big Muddy said:
Thanks. I read about Rashevsky in the article I posted.

I'm not that excited about Stanley. Stanley's only played in 7 games this year. Yes, he's big, but what we need is a good, minute munching top 4 RD. I hope we aim at and land something much better than him.

Without that key RD, our chances at reaching the next level aren't as good. That is more likely to be an off-season addition though, quite possibly and hopefully through free agency.

As for Staois and his strategy, we haven't heard much from him. He's mentioned adding vets. That's about if from what I recall.
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Stanley replaces Hamonic. We would look for a top 4 RD in another trade or via free agency. Stanley just gives the D something it lacks which is a big, physical d man who can intimidate and clear the front of the net. He would be a 6 or 7th d man for us.
 
Get all futures, don't hamstring yourself looking for pine riders to fill a spot like Stanley or other depth options. They serve no real purpose or role on the team.

Load up on futures, and then use those at the draft for how you see fit.

Maybe we shop for guys being shopped at the draft, maybe we add to guys to entice teams to take them off our plate, maybe we use them to select guys we like.

Staios can use these to help mold the team, rather than being hamstrung with what he inherited.

We don't need to add players for the sake of adding players. We don't need any Lindberg's, Namestnikov's, Brown's, etc. This season is a lost cause. If the players aren't helping the team moving forward, don't trade for them.

If we can't get a core piece, take all futures. If we have to take a bad contract for a season, so be it.
 
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frightenedinmatenum2 said:
Even if we would prefer to make a hockey trade using Chychrun, it might be better to maximize picks+prospects as the return because the trade deadline is usually a seller's market.

There is more player movement in the offseason, and we can then use those picks to fill the roster in trades.

Which isn't to say if the perfect hockey trade lines up at the TDL, or series of trades, we shouldn't go out and acquire a RHD or whatever the need we want to fill is. What I mean is that even if they get picks+prospects for Chychrun, doesn't close the door on still turning it into a hockey trade by moving those in the summer.
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Ya, I think scouring the teams with deep playoff run aspirations for a good prospect is probably more likely a TDL tactic.

Targeting a RD is more likely in the summer via free agency (made that point in #2877 above).
 
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Can't blame Chychrun for wanting out so trade him
but nobody serious that saw last game last Habs goal can say Chabot is better than what we have lol
The guy has a serious problem with staying focus for 60 mins
 
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RAFI BOMB said:
Stanley replaces Hamonic. We would look for a top 4 RD in another trade or via free agency. Stanley just gives the D something it lacks which is a big, physical d man who can intimidate and clear the front of the net. He would be a 6 or 7th d man for us.
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re: bolded - I agree.

I suppose my post was more focused on the main objective. We have an opportunity here to leverage the situation (Chychrun trade) for something decent and helpful.
 
BondraTime said:
Get all futures, don't hamstring yourself looking for pine riders to fill a spot like Stanley or other depth options. They serve no real purpose or role on the team.

Load up on futures, and then use those at the draft for how you see fit.

Maybe we shop for guys being shopped at the draft, maybe we add to guys to entice teams to take them off our plate, maybe we use them to select guys we like.

Staios can use these to help mold the team, rather than being hamstrung with what he inherited.

We don't need to add players for the sake of adding players. We don't need any Lindberg's, Namestnikov's, Brown's, etc. This season is a lost cause. If the players aren't helping the team moving forward, don't trade for them.

If we can't get a core piece, take all futures. If we have to take a bad contract for a season, so be it.
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Exactly
This core is not winning anything in the near future
 
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I expect 3 new D next year. A RD in FA who will overpay by 1M for 1 year too much like Tanev. Kleven has been progressing and I expect another big bodied 6-7.

I hope we find a veteran centre as we have Stu, Norris, Pinto and Greig with a total of 565 NHL games of experience.

Add a PK specialist and another vet bottom 6 winger who bangs.
 
Big Muddy said:
Thanks. I read about Rashevsky in the article I posted.

I'm not that excited about Stanley. Stanley's only played in 7 games this year. Yes, he's big, but what we need is a good, minute munching top 4 RD. I hope we aim at and land something much better than him.

Without that key RD, our chances at reaching the next level aren't as good. That is more likely to be an off-season addition though, quite possibly and hopefully through free agency.

As for Staois and his strategy, we haven't heard much from him. He's mentioned adding vets. That's about if from what I recall.
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Stanley seems like a 7th D to me but he does add physicality and size. I doubt that he would improve much more over his current performance level.

I agree with you that he is not the type of RD we need; we need someone much better to play in the top 2 pairings.
 
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Burrowsaurus said:
It’s a fine line. A good goalie has us in a good spot.
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Tugger and Rhodes weren’t elite starters, backups when they came to Ottawa but under Jacques’s system they platooned to finish 2nd in Jennings (least amount of goals allowed by a tandem).

So even if we are “stuck” with Korpisalo, a solidly structured/positioned team that helps the goalie might still work for us. Need all the players to buy in at the same time. I do feel a wind of change with this core.
 
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Tugger and Rhodes weren’t elite starters, backups when they came to Ottawa but under Jacques’s system they platooned to finish 2nd in Jennings (least amount of goals allowed by a tandem).

So even if we are “stuck” with Korpisalo, a solidly structured/positioned team that helps the goalie might still work for us. Need all the players to buy in at the same time. I do feel a wind of change with this core.
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Have you seen the goals korpisalo lets in? He’s done this his whole career with some spurts of great play. Tuggnutt and Rhodes were both better than korpisalo. Letting in soft wristers has nothing to do with the system.
 
armani said:
Tugger and Rhodes weren’t elite starters, backups when they came to Ottawa but under Jacques’s system they platooned to finish 2nd in Jennings (least amount of goals allowed by a tandem).

So even if we are “stuck” with Korpisalo, a solidly structured/positioned team that helps the goalie might still work for us. Need all the players to buy in at the same time. I do feel a wind of change with this core.
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I agree. A VG defensive team that plays well without the puck can make a good goaltender look great!

I still see "stupidity" in our players when playing without the puck. Martin has to re-train them as to how to play a strong defensive game in all 3 zones.

We cannot afford passengers who loaf and do not come back at top speed nor pick up a man, particularly a fast skating offensive D man who is joining the opponent's attack.

When the Fs do get back into our D zone, they must be anticipating opponent's actions and positioning themselves to either intercept/deflect passes or control an opponent's stick to prevent shots. Too many of our players are still standing around watching the puck and not covering a man.

This re-training will take some time.
 
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HSF said:
it doesnt make a lot of sense to get more prospects for Chychrun unless they are ready to make the jump and I don't think anyone will give their best prospect

Better off getting picks then using them at the draft to get NHL players who other teams can't fit under the cap
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Picks are better, because they are more liquid as a currency for trades.

But the reality is that if we want 2-3 1st round picks for Chychrun, teams won't give us that. Teams might give us 2-3 1st round assets, but a team moving multiple 1st round picks in a trade is rare.

The Meier trade last year is an example of this. Technically, San Jose got three first round picks, but only one was an actual pick. The other was a prospect selected in the first round, and the last one was a 2nd round pick that COULD become a 1st if conditions are met.

We have seen teams like Tampa give up multiple 1st round picks, but it is pretty rare.
 
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