Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[PlayOn]

He's the one who made a big deal about coming to Ottawa. He knew there was going to be a massive overhaul of the organization. Something changed. This feels odd.

David Pagnotta said the other day he hasn’t meshed with the locker room, so maybe that’s part of it.

Honestly don’t think it matters much. The on-ice product wasn’t working anyway so hopefully Staios can get a good return and we can start addressing our actual needs.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

It would be lunacy to retain past this season. Dorionesque move.

Not really, we'll have to good amount of cap space next year. Why not do so to gain more assets?

 

[Loach]

David Pagnotta said the other day he hasn’t meshed with the locker room, so maybe that’s part of it.

Honestly don’t think it matters much. The on-ice product wasn’t working anyway so hopefully Staios can get a good return and we can start addressing our actual needs.

Hmmmm.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I'm sorry, when did Tarasenko get demoted to the 4th line?

Joseph up with stu and batherson.

Tarasenko down with Kelly and Chartier. So third line I guess?

 

[aragorn]

To Edm: Chychrun LD (25 yrs old) 26 pts
To Ott: Bouchard RD (24 yrs old) 42 pts

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Don't blame the guy. He thought he was coming to a young team on the rise that would make a definite run for the playoffs this year. Not a continuing s*it show.

And we thought we were getting a player that could elevate a pairing. And we didn’t

 

[stempniaksen]

It would be lunacy to retain past this season. Dorionesque move.

This is an overly simplistic view and quite short-sighted, imo.

I would hope Staois would explore all avenues to get the best possible return, even if it means retention or taking on a bad contract.

 

[Hale The Villain]

It would be lunacy to retain past this season. Dorionesque move.

What are you talking about?

If we trade Chychrun for futures we'll have 17.4M in cap space.

We have no one significant to re-sign and no one wants to play here, so we're not going to attract any big name UFAs.

We can easily afford to retain 2.3M for next season if it means getting significantly more trade value in return.

It would be lunacy not to maximize Chychrun's trade return by retaining. We need every extra asset we can get given how many Dorion pissed away.

 

[Dionysus]

Who cares if Chychrun wants out, deal him and let’s load up the assets.
We have to pick between him or Chabot anyway, and I’d rather keep Chabot.
Not going to lose a second of sleep over this

Agreed. Has been no real positive impact on the team since his arrival. He has good games, but there is too many LD and he has the most value.

Trade him at the deadline for the best package and start changing the makeup of this team.

 

[GCK]

What are you talking about?

If we trade Chychrun for futures we'll have 17.4M in cap space.

We have no one significant to re-sign and no one wants to play here, so we're not going to attract any big name UFAs.

We can easily afford to retain 2.3M for next season if it means getting significantly more trade value in return.

It would be lunacy not to maximize Chychrun's trade return by retaining. We need every extra asset we can get given how many Dorion pissed away.

We are going to have to overpay for a RD in FA so that coup eat up 6-7M and we need a couple middle 6 players and we need to resign Pinto.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

We are going to have to overpay for a RD in FA so that coup eat up 6-7M and we need a couple middle 6 players and we need to resign Pinto.

Or we use assets from a Chychrun trade to get another defenseman.

 

[Dionysus]

Not really, we'll have to good amount of cap space next year. Why not do so to gain more assets?

I think taking on a short-term contract that is slightly inflated would be preferable to retaining into next season. Chyc already has a very good value contract for a team close to the cap to fit in.

 

[Cosmix]

To Edm: Chychrun LD (25 yrs old) 26 pts
To Ott: Bouchard RD (24 yrs old) 42 pts

Why would Edmonton do that? Is Bouchard worse than Chychrun defensively?

 

[DueDiligence]

And we thought we were getting a player that could elevate a pairing. And we didn’t

Well he needs to play with a Zub type and he would be just fine. He score fifty points and be OK defensively.

 

[Ouroboros]

I think it would be difficult for the Senators and another team to come to an agreement on the compensation for retention on Chychrun. If he were to be traded around the deadline, max retention would entail the Sens eating ~5M in real dollars and 2.3M on the cap next season. They would be right to ask for substantial compensation for that, but would any team really want to pay up? Not so sure. There is a functional limit to how much a team is willing to part with to have a player for two playoff runs.

It would be easier to take back a contract of a defenseman that would see his role substantially reduced in the wake of a Chychrun acquisition.

 

[Dionysus]

Joseph up with stu and batherson.

Tarasenko down with Kelly and Chartier. So third line I guess?

Joseph is probably a better fit with Stu and Bath. Adds some speed and defensive play. Tank kills a lot of plays with his lack of pace. Having him and Bath on a line is tough defensively as well.

 

[Ouroboros]

Trade chych at 50% retained for a player a prospect and a 1st.

Flip the player we get back at 50% to another team for another pick and a cap balancer.

Try to do the same thing with tank and kubalik. Move guys with retention for picks and somewhat overpaid players, then flip those players with more retention for more futures. Aim for 4-5 firsts or equivalent in this coming draft.

Keep just enough cap room for some replacement callups.

Tank out the rest of the season.

You can only retain on 3 contracts simultaneously and the Sens already have 1 slot tied up by Matt Murray. Tarasenko will almost certainly require retention to garner any substantial return, so really the Sens only have 1 slot to play with.

 

[dumbdick]

You can only retain on 3 contracts simultaneously and the Sens already have 1 slot tied up by Matt Murray. Tarasenko will almost certainly require retention to garner any substantial return, so really the Sens only have 1 slot to play with.

Well shit.

use them both on expiring deals as best we can i guess.

 

[Hale The Villain]

We are going to have to overpay for a RD in FA so that coup eat up 6-7M and we need a couple middle 6 players and we need to resign Pinto.

There's not a single upcoming UFA RD that is worth paying 6-7M for.

We don't need two middle 6ers, we just need one - a replacement for Tarasenko. Pinto fills one of those middle 6 spots and will cost about 2M.

That leaves 15M in cap space to fit in a 2nd pairing RD, a 2nd/3rd line forward and maybe an upgrade or two at the depth positions.

That's more than enough space to fit in those pieces and retain on Chychrun to max out his value.

 

[GCK]

There's not a single upcoming UFA RD that is worth paying 6-7M for.

We don't need two middle 6ers, we just need one - a replacement for Tarasenko. Pinto fills one of those middle 6 spots and will cost about 2M.

That leaves 15M in cap space to fit in a 2nd pairing RD, a 2nd/3rd line forward and maybe an upgrade or two at the depth positions.

That's more than enough space to fit in those pieces and retain on Chychrun to max out his value.

I think your math is off. With 2.3M retained we would have about 15M next year. Better to take an expiring bad contract back.

Pesce would cost between 6-7 to come here.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Pesce or Matt Roy would be good D UFAs, but the chances of them being willing to play here are slim.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I think your math is off. With 2.3M retained we would have about 15M next year. Better to take an expiring bad contract back.

Pesce would cost between 6-7 to come here.

That's what I'm saying. We trade Chychrun with no retention and we'll probably have a hard time even spending to the cap next season.

Should be more than enough room to retain 2.3M, assuming it would broaden the potential suitors and significantly increase his value.

Cap space isn't the issue there. Ouroboros brought up a good point regarding whether a team would be willing to pay enough extra to justify retaining, but we'll have the cap space to do it if a cap-strapped team were willing to make it worth our while.

Pesce isn't coming here, even if we overpay. Sens have never been a quality UFA destination for so many reasons, but now the team is falling apart and the optimism surrounding the team the past couple off-seasons is now gone.

If we want a quality RD we'll almost certainly have to trade for one, but that's also almost impossible to do. Hate to say it but we'll probably be plugging the 2nd pairing RD spot with a reclamation project. Maybe someone like Andrew Peeke or Dante Fabbro

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Pesce or Matt Roy would be good D UFAs, but the chances of them being willing to play here are slim.

Changing the culture will likely require signing some nonoptimal deals, and this core is on the verge of busting so time is not on our side.

Time to bite the bullet and retain salary and/or overpay to get our guy.

We aren't likely to land him but it can't be because our offer wasn't very alluring.

Patch work because Melnyk was cheap and Dorion an idiot has led us to ruin. No more settling for a cheap veteran.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

NMC/NTCs suck and have created an uneven playing field in the NHL. The NHL should have never agreed to these clauses.

Taxes too, but there’s not much the league can do about that.

 

[Relapsing]

Garrioch says Oilers are the best fit for Chychrun.

Ceci would be a good partner for Sanderson. Garrioch doesn't mention him, but I'd be excited to get him back to play a shutdown role. Frees up Zub to play with Chabot.