GDT: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 3

[Silencio]

Good post. I will say, though, that for a team like Ottawa I think drafting players that are more likely to sign with you is a bonus as well. We’ll never be a UFA destination.

Just need to hold out for a few more years of climate change until Miami is underwater and Las Vegas is humanly uninhabitable.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Long-term I feel like we need another elite forward in addition to Brady and Stutzle. I would say for now, Giroux is that forward but he's no spring chicken.

Although if Norris or Batherson-or ideally both-develops into a 70-80 point player I think we should be good.

 

[Que]

Yeah it’s for sure never happening.
love to know what it would actually take, because I’d probably do it - textbook example of spending picks properly.
I’d give up our entire draft the next 2 years because…who cares!
If I could have this lineup for the next 5 years I’d give up 3 1sts, any 3 or 4 prospects, Brannstrom

It literally would not matter because you have this or close to it for at least 5 years.

Tkachuk Stutzle Giroux
Keller Norris Batherson
Crouse Pinto Greig
Kastelic

Chychrun Chabot
Sanderson Zub
Kleven

Korpisalo
Sogaard

The is virtually no short term price in picks and prospects I wouldn’t pay.
We could actually make that roster/salaries work starting next summer.

Would anyone not do this? Ah summer…

I think we could probably spend the next year’s picks and a few prospects to expend the core - especially in this cap crunch environment.

But I don’t think Keller is going anywhere. His exact words were something like “I’m a pretty loyal guy. And the grass isn’t always greener on the other side.”

Crouse would smart though. He’s really put it all together and that contract is so sweet.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Just need to hold out for a few more years of climate change until Miami is underwater and Las Vegas is humanly uninhabitable.

They’ll move the Panthers to Orlando and we’ll still be boned.

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

Long-term I feel like we need another elite forward in addition to Brady and Stutzle. I would say for now, Giroux is that forward but he's no spring chicken.

Although if Norris or Batherson-or ideally both-develops into a 70-80 point player I think we should be good.

In the P/GP column, they were both there in 2021-22:


Josh Norris
2021-22
OTT
L
C
66
35
20
55
-7
16
0.83
Drake Batherson
2021-22
OTT
R
R
46
17
27
44
+4
32
0.96

0.83 in 82 games is 68 points
0.96 in 82 games is 79 points

So if they stay relatively healthy ...

 

[Golden_Jet]

Yes pls! Expand the core! lol
Cap goes up 5 million next summer so send all the assets to Arizona and make it happen next summer.
Included a fully resigned Sanderson and Chychrun (who doesnt need it until the following year. So it can all fit just wanted to show final total costs)

I would empty everything we have left. Picks and prospects. This team is awesome.

$89.5 million

F- 53.3
Tkachuk 8.2 Stutzle 8.3 Giroux 6.5
Keller 7.1 Norris 7.9 Batherson 5
Crouse 4.3 Pinto 2 Grieg 1
Guy here 1 Kastelic 1 Macewen 1

D- 31.2
Chabot 8 Chychrun 8
Sanderson 8 Zub 4.2
Kleven 1 JBD 1
? 1

G- 5
Korpisalo 4
Sogaard 1

So cap can only go up 5%, as in the 2020 MOU states. So maximum cap increase is 4.2 million. So 87.7 million is max cap next year.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Long-term I feel like we need another elite forward in addition to Brady and Stutzle. I would say for now, Giroux is that forward but he's no spring chicken.

Although if Norris or Batherson-or ideally both-develops into a 70-80 point player I think we should be good.

Both players, will likely meet those expectations IMO.

 

[Big Muddy]

1. What do we think Dorion is waiting on ? A Murray buy out?
2. When do we hear about a Pinto signing (A and B)?
A. Before or after the Murray move one way or another?
B. Before or after Dorion acquires another player through a trade or free agency?
3. If Dorion adds a 2/3 line winger will it be via Free Agency or Trade?

I'd also wonder if Toronto is still trying to trade Murray somehow. That wouldn't be easy, but there would be some incentive. The Leafs will need lots of cap space next year when Matthews (& other players) gets his big, new contract.

 

[Cosmix]

1. What do we think Dorion is waiting on ? A Murray buy out?
2. When do we hear about a Pinto signing (A and B)?
A. Before or after the Murray move one way or another?
B. Before or after Dorion acquires another player through a trade or free agency?
3. If Dorion adds a 2/3 line winger will it be via Free Agency or Trade?

Add:
4. Suspensions that may be announced by the NHL if/when the London Police and Crown Attorneys file assault charges.

Pinto can wait as he has no power at this time and signing another quality forward takes priority. Maintaining options/flexibility is the key here due to the uncertainties involved in a Murray Buyout, another UFA signing/trade, and the London Hockey Canada issue.

 

[JD1]

Trading a 1st and three 2nds, after just wasting a 1st and 2nd on Boucher/Roger has led to a really weak prospect pool, regardless of whether you like the DeBrincat/Chychrun trades.

We're in danger of being Canuckified. Have some elite young pieces but may not be able to put the team over the top and develop into a legit contender because of how many young assets have been spent already trying to just get this team into the playoffs.

We're not in danger of being canuck'd anything. They've not had the core pieces we have.

This core is set. It needs experience. But I think it's pretty evident that this is the core they're going to run with. So those prospects don't need to be replacing high end talent for years

We need depth. And there's a lot of ways to acquire it. But come on man, a 2026 2nd likely isn't making an impact in the nhl until 2030 and you're worried we gave that up? In a trade to bring in a young D, that's actually excited to be here btw, that solidifies the top 4.

 

[Cosmix]

We're not in danger of being canuck'd anything. They've not had the core pieces we have.

This core is set. It needs experience. But I think it's pretty evident that this is the core they're going to run with. So those prospects don't need to be replacing high end talent for years

We need depth. And there's a lot of ways to acquire it. But come on man, a 2026 2nd likely isn't making an impact in the nhl until 2030 and you're worried we gave that up? In a trade to bring in a young D, that's actually excited to be here btw, that solidifies the top 4.

That Boucher pick was not wise.

 

[Hale The Villain]

We're not in danger of being canuck'd anything. They've not had the core pieces we have.

This core is set. It needs experience. But I think it's pretty evident that this is the core they're going to run with. So those prospects don't need to be replacing high end talent for years

We need depth. And there's a lot of ways to acquire it. But come on man, a 2026 2nd likely isn't making an impact in the nhl until 2030 and you're worried we gave that up? In a trade to bring in a young D, that's actually excited to be here btw, that solidifies the top 4.

It doesn't matter if the 2026 2nd isn't going to play in the NHL for awhile. We've already burned that pick, which could have been used to acquire help to put the team over the top if we develop into a contender over the next couple years.

I don't know why you seem to think I wasn't a fan of the Chychrun trade. I think it was a good move, but after making it there's no way we should be trading additional 1sts/2nds for immediate help.

I might have a different opinion if the last 3 drafts looked like they were going to produce some talent for the team, but right now it doesn't look we'll get a single impact player (top 6 forward, top 4 D or #1 G) from the 2021, 2022 or 2023 drafts.

 

[Big Muddy]

That Boucher pick was not wise.

We also moved a 1st for one year of Debrincat and another for Chychrun. Of course, the addition of Chychrun is definitely a good thing, and let's hope he can be extended. I think the core is there, but I believe the subject being debated was if it was a little harder to fill in the roster with depth. Good ELCs who graduate and have low costs can help with that.

 

[Ice-Tray]

That Boucher pick was not wise.

We don’t know that yet. Not looking great at the moment, but we don’t know what he has to bring to us yet.

 

[HSF]

keller would be awesome but the price would be probably something similar to eichel good roster player + grieg + 1st

crouse probably costs to much for what he brings.

 

[JD1]

It doesn't matter if the 2026 2nd isn't going to play in the NHL for awhile. We've already burned that pick, which could have been used to acquire help to put the team over the top if we develop into a contender over the next couple years.

I don't know why you seem to think I wasn't a fan of the Chychrun trade. I think it was a good move, but after making it there's no way we should be trading additional 1sts/2nds for immediate help.

I might have a different opinion if the last 3 drafts looked like they were going to produce some talent for the team, but right now it doesn't look we'll get a single impact player (top 6 forward, top 4 D or #1 G) from the 2021, 2022 or 2023 drafts.

The 2026 2nd was used to acquire Chychrun. So you can't think the Chychrun deal was a good use of assets and then turnaround and complain about not having the asset. Chychrun is a high end young D and we got him at a discount price. Do you get the irony of your complaint? You seem to be complaining that the 2026 2nd COULD HAVE BEEN USED to acquire help to turn us into a contender when in fact the pick WAS used to do that.

Since we made the Chychrun deal, what additional "1sts" and "2nds" are you referring to that we shouldn't have traded? Iirc, since the Chychrun deal, we've actually acquired an additional 1st.

 

[Wondercarrot]

So cap can only go up 5%, as in the 2020 MOU states. So maximum cap increase is 4.2 million. So 87.7 million is max cap next year.

Right, but I did note that I had included Chychrun with an extension which doesn’t really kick in until the following year. That’s $4 million we don’t have to add next year.

 

[Cosmix]

The 2026 2nd was used to acquire Chychrun. So you can't think the Chychrun deal was a good use of assets and then turnaround and complain about not having the asset. Chychrun is a high end young D and we got him at a discount price. Do you get the irony of your complaint? You seem to be complaining that the 2026 2nd COULD HAVE BEEN USED to acquire help to turn us into a contender when in fact the pick WAS used to do that.

Since we made the Chychrun deal, what additional "1sts" and "2nds" are you referring to that we shouldn't have traded? Iirc, since the Chychrun deal, we've actually acquired an additional 1st.

I am glad to have Chychrun but I don't think it was a discount price. His acquisition carries some risk due to his injuries. Still worth the trade though to upgrade our D.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Right, but I did note that I had included Chychrun with an extension which doesn’t really kick in until the following year. That’s $4 million we don’t have to add next year.

Was more in relation to the 89.5 cap hit you listed.
Other than Joseph gone, what did you give up for Crouse and Keller.

 

[Cosmix]

Long-term I feel like we need another elite forward in addition to Brady and Stutzle. I would say for now, Giroux is that forward but he's no spring chicken.

Although if Norris or Batherson-or ideally both-develops into a 70-80 point player I think we should be good.

You can never have enough high quality players; the only way to get and afford more of them is to draft them and pay them low salaries for their ELC and RFA years.

 

[Hale The Villain]

The 2026 2nd was used to acquire Chychrun. So you can't think the Chychrun deal was a good use of assets and then turnaround and complain about not having the asset. Chychrun is a high end young D and we got him at a discount price. Do you get the irony of your complaint? You seem to be complaining that the 2026 2nd COULD HAVE BEEN USED to acquire help to turn us into a contender when in fact the pick WAS used to do that.

Since we made the Chychrun deal, what additional "1sts" and "2nds" are you referring to that we shouldn't have traded? Iirc, since the Chychrun deal, we've actually acquired an additional 1st.

We have not established ourselves as a playoff team yet, let alone a contender.

I don't get what you don't understand about this. I was for the Chychrun trade, but we've been bleeding picks and can't afford to trade more. It's that simple.

This is on top of blowing the 2021 draft, and I don't see much talent coming from the 2022 or 2023 drafts either. Looks like a repeat of the 2012-2014 dry spell we had that didn't produce a single impact player (by that I mean top 6 F/top 4 D/#1 G).

If we keep trading picks we're going to create an incredibly short window to potentially contend. Rushing a rebuild has consequences and the Canucks are seeing that right now.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Am not advocating for trading future 1st round drafts picks, but assuming the Senators climb the overall rankings over the next 5 years years, the lower their draft position becomes, and the less valuable a Senators future first rounder becomes.

 

[aragorn]

It's only the last two drafts that they didn't have a 1st rd pick in the last 9 yrs, but in 2020 we had 3 first rd picks, in 2018 had two 1st rd picks & 2015 had two 1st rd picks. While we missed having 1st rd picks for the last two yrs we have had drafts with extra 1st rd picks to make up for it. Unfortunately, we have had a few bad drafts, but we have also has some great drafts, it all works out or balances over time. We have two first rd picks for next yr, unless they trade one to upgrade a position for next season.

Most of our good young prospects have graduated & are locked up for quite a long time & they still have some decent prospects coming in future to fill out the roster & the lower lines & pairs. Over the next few yrs while our prospects are playing in the NHL we will be accumulating more picks & prospects & stock piling them. The prospect pool doesn't look great now because so many of our prosects are graduating, but will be restocking over the next number of yrs. That's just the normal cycle of things as teams become contenders & then start aging out & need to rebuild.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

22 Y/O 98OA (4th) 2019 Draft

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Ondrej Kase signed in Czechia. He is coming off concussions.