GDT: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 3

[HSF]

Do we?

Grieg, Ostapchuk and Boucher are safe bets to be good bottom 6 forwards, I think. After that it gets real murky. Similarly I don't think that we have a lot of promising guys in the D pipeline after Kleven.

I think we are past trading first round picks for Top 6 players. Our Top 6 is arguably our strongest asset right now.

It would be great to bulk up the prospect pool a bit and have more home grown depth that we can draw on in 3-4 years when we're actually competing for something. At that time we can think about mortgaging the future to go all in. I just don't want this team to do that this season.

All our high end picks are in the nhl or were traded for guys playing in the NHL. I don't see a big issue with that tbh

the obvious miss was DBC but if he signed here I wouldn't have a problem with it. I do agree that having ELC Is good in the cap era but at the same time we are about to see large cap increases because of the flat cap.

I think more teams will be moving picks to aquire young talent. We also see a lot of young players want to move out of teams more often or teams looking to do a quick rebuild which makes guys more avaliable

Wonder how much of the holding pattern is influenced by pending ownership transfer, it's possible that a moratorium has been placed on spending on players until Dandy Andlauer takes over.

Another possibility is waiting on Tarasenko's decision before going after options b, c...Dorion usually ends up with options X, Y, Z..the more we wait the worse the FA pool depth gets.

If that is the case than Tarasenko probably would have signed elsewhere.

More likely that his new agent is taking a different approach and seeing the market for his client.

 

[HSF]

Wonder how much of the holding pattern is influenced by pending ownership transfer, it's possible that a moratorium has been placed on spending on players until Dandy Andlauer takes over.

Another possibility is waiting on Tarasenko's decision before going after options b, c...Dorion usually ends up with options X, Y, Z..the more we wait the worse the FA pool depth gets.

If that is the case than Tarasenko probably would have signed elsewhere.

More likely that his new agent is taking a different approach and seeing the market for his client.

 

[NyQuil]

I wonder if it just comes down to Tarasenko or Bailey at this point. Bailey is simply plan B.
I have always liked Bailey; I am not sure if his "down year" is the result being done or needing a change of scenery. Sens staff will have to do some due diligence to figure that out. I feel a lot hinges on the next move, even if it is a depth piece.

Pinto needs a playmaker and Bailey could get him the the puck.

I can't believe Bailey was being paid $5M AAV.

Talk about capitalizing on a huge contract after a career year.

For all of the missteps of Pierre from Orleans, Lou throws money around even more recklessly.

They have just over $40M tied up in Horvat, Barzal, Pageau, Lee, Nelson and Palmieri.

 

[HSF]

I just don't see where Bailey fits. If he comes for league min or close to it then maybe? but he seems like a guy you don't really want in your bottom 6 nor in your top 6. Seems like he would just be a Tierney here where he doesn't really have a spot. Especially with Kubalik here who probably is a tweener here you don't want too many guys like that where you don't really know where they fit

 

[BondraTime]

I can't believe Bailey was being paid $5M AAV.

Talk about capitalizing on a huge contract after a career year.

For all of the missteps of Pierre from Orleans, Lou throws money around even more recklessly.

They have just over $40M tied up in Horvat, Barzal, Pageau, Lee, Nelson and Palmieri.

Not like he wasn't playing at that level for most of the contract, it was only this past year where he wasn't.

178 points in 278 games, 53 per season to go with 39 in 49 playoff games, in the first 4 years of a 6 year deal is definitely a pretty average salary for that production, probably a lower AAV than it should be.

Like most deals signed at that age, the end years are, for the most part, going to be ugly, which was proven ton be the case there.

 

[NyQuil]

Not like he wasn't playing at that level for most of the contract, it was only this past year where he wasn't.

178 points in 278 games, 53 per season to go with 39 in 49 playoff games, in the first 4 years of a 6 year deal is definitely a pretty average salary for that production, probably a lower AAV than it should be.

Like most deals signed at that age, the end years are, for the most part, going to be ugly, which was proven ton be the case there.

Before that career year, he put up 306 points in 639 games, and 11 points in 22 playoff games.

He definitely peaked at the right time contractually speaking.

On the plus side, his 71 games of playoff experience is probably more than the entire team combined (minus Giroux).

 

[Samboni]

So Traded Debrincat, Acquired MacKewen , Watched Dev Camp, Fired Mann... time to take a break I guess.

Approaching the dog days of summer.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I can't believe Bailey was being paid $5M AAV.

Talk about capitalizing on a huge contract after a career year.

For all of the missteps of Pierre from Orleans, Lou throws money around even more recklessly.

They have just over $40M tied up in Horvat, Barzal, Pageau, Lee, Nelson and Palmieri.

You didn't tag me specifically but somehow I felt you were calling out to me

 

[operasen]

RD D’Angelo being cut loose by Flyers. Is he worth a look? We are pretty stocked.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

RD D’Angelo being cut loose by Flyers. Is he worth a look? We are pretty stocked.

Considering the stats he seems to be capable of putting up, at least offensively, the fact that teams keep wanting him to go away is too concerning imo. No room either really without someone leaving.

 

[operasen]

Agree on the someone leaving. We seem to collect people to fill a role they never really get to test out.

 

[BUCKLE UP]

Anyone else have a feeling we're living in the darkest timeline? What if we're about to lose Batherson and that's why Tarasenko is still unsigned. Losing Debrincat/Batherson/Formenton is big woof

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Anyone else have a feeling we're living in the darkest timeline? What if we're about to lose Batherson and that's why Tarasenko is still unsigned. Losing Debrincat/Batherson/Formenton is big woof

wtvr, alfie is coming back, melnyk and dorion are gone, we have sanderson and stutzle.

could be much worse.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Anyone else have a feeling we're living in the darkest timeline? What if we're about to lose Batherson and that's why Tarasenko is still unsigned. Losing Debrincat/Batherson/Formenton is big woof

Occam’s razor is that Tarasenko just doesn’t fit here and also doesn’t have any desire to play here.

 

[armani]

Anyone else have a feeling we're living in the darkest timeline? What if we're about to lose Batherson and that's why Tarasenko is still unsigned. Losing Debrincat/Batherson/Formenton is big woof

Nah b, roses, lemonades and Charmin toilet paper moving forward, with hot water to wash our shitty hands.

 

[Laphroaig]

RD D’Angelo being cut loose by Flyers. Is he worth a look? We are pretty stocked.

Hard no. The man is a POS.

 

[DJB]

RD D’Angelo being cut loose by Flyers. Is he worth a look? We are pretty stocked.

He’s been bought out twice with the first time because of an issue with a teammate. He has a history of suspensions and making poor on ice and off ice decisions dating back to junior

Good player but a head case and not worth the trouble. We also tend to stay away from those types.

Highly doubt he comes here

 

[Silencio]

Occam’s razor is that Tarasenko just doesn’t fit here and also doesn’t have any desire to play here.

Carolina has Karlsson as their number one target so if they miss out on him I expect Tarasenko is their plan B.

 

[NyQuil]

Carolina has Karlsson as their number one target so if they miss out on him I expect Tarasenko is their plan B.

I really find that fascinating because I felt that he and Burns appeared ultimately redundant in San Jose.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I really find that fascinating because I felt that he and Burns appeared ultimately redundant in San Jose.

Burns put up his highest point total the year Karlsson joined, Karlsson had 25 points in 15 games that year before he got injured, and that San Jose team almost won the cup and probably would have without injuries.

So it worked fine when the team was healthy.

 

[NyQuil]

Burns put up his highest point total the year Karlsson joined, Karlsson had 25 points in 15 games that year before he got injured, and that San Jose team almost won the cup and probably would have without injuries.

So it worked fine when the team was healthy.

They played four seasons together, Karlsson played around 50 games in each.

They failed to make the playoffs together over the following 3 seasons, with Karlsson well below his usual points-per-game in each one.

In their last season together, Burns put up his worst points-per-game since the 2011-2012 season.

Burns leaves, and Karlsson sets a career high for scoring for himself on a team with virtually no offensive talent aside from Meier.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

They played four seasons together, Karlsson played around 50 games in each.

They failed to make the playoffs together over the following 3 seasons, with Karlsson well below his usual points-per-game in each one.

In their last season together, Burns put up his worst points-per-game since the 2011-2012 season.

Burns leaves, and Karlsson sets a career high for scoring for himself on a team with virtually no offensive talent aside from Meier.

yes because the team blew apart, they lost elite depth, they lost the heart of the team in pavelski, joe thornton got old, and guys like Vlasic and Couture badly regressed and Hertl and Karlsson were always battling injuries.

not because Karlsson and Burns couldn't work together. they played different parings anyway and both were out on the PP. not to mention burns is like 38, his point totals going down is predictable as the team becomes bad and he ages vs prime burns on a good team.

 

[NyQuil]

not because Karlsson and Burns couldn't work together. they played different parings anyway and both were out on the PP. not to mention burns is like 38, his point totals going down is predictable as the team becomes bad and he ages vs prime burns on a good team.

I never said they couldn't work together, I said they were redundant.

Even with some retention, it's a lot of cap hit for the two of them.

I just think that are more efficient usages of cap space.

Carolina's probably going to need a third team to get involved.

 

[Big Muddy]

Crouse signed a 5 year contract with Arizona in 2022. I'd be kind of surprised that he's available.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Crouse signed a 5 year contract with Arizona in 2022. I'd be kind of surprised that he's available.

I'm sure teams have asked about him. Never heard any rumblings that got close.