GDT: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 3

[Big Muddy]

I personally think Chabot on the right side of Chychrun is the best fit. Chabot’s strengths will play just fine on his offside and I doubt it impacts his weaknesses, he just moves so well.

I've never seen Chabot play LD before, so didn't think of that.

He played right before the sens, said he prefered right side early on here then walked it back. I bet he has more experience playing his off side than any of our d....don't quote me on this last bit though. Lol

Ya, who knows.

I guess we'll see what happens and who plays with whom and on which side. Like I said before, we have 4 good defender for the top 4, but how well the pairings work out and how players mesh with their line mates is a TBD.

 

[bert]

I’ve been freaking out all day that Toronto is going to trade for EK.

And then to make things worse they would include Murray in the trade and San Jose would not buy him out, robing is of that cap recapture.

Remember when Alffy signed in Detroit? It would be like that feeling times 10^10 for me.

I think we collectively need to start praying to the hockey gods that EK goes to Dallas or something.

Really? Alfie was on the sens and is the best Senator of all time. EK doesnt even play here anymore. How on earth would Toronto get EK exactly? They are 8 million over the cap. Its not happening.

Id rather he stays out of the east but frankly I dont care what other teams are doing its out of the sens control. I do worry about whats happening here right now when you see guys like Sundqvist sign for the league minimum somewhere else. When the sens have horrible forward depth.

I personally think Chabot on the right side of Chychrun is the best fit. Chabot’s strengths will play just fine on his offside and I doubt it impacts his weaknesses, he just moves so well.

Id like to see him tried on the right side. With his agility and skill he should have the skillset to do it. It might make him play a more simple game which could be good for him while he tries to find his form.

 

[bert]

Sucks everyone got a NTC trade options are going to be limited. I would love to make a Hail Mary play for Keller. Branny, Boucher, (Soogard/Merilainen) 24 1st, 25 1st, + Joseph

Keller is a young ppg winger on a good contract for a long time.

I cant believe people want to trade 4 straight first round picks before this team has made the playoffs. Thats insane to me. They dont even need more top end skill they have that. They need depth. Especially not another small player. Team needs to get bigger faster and harder to play against. Wheres Keller going to play? Second line second pp for 7 million? Look at Vegas and Florida those teams are built to win. They roll 4 lines deep. 3 lines that can score because they spread out the scoring. the sens have 5 players that produce at a first line level. Pinto is trending towards being a 25/25 guy that should enable them to have 3 good pairs giving them 3 good lines. They need guys like Formenton. Workers that can compliment skill.

 

[Sens in Process]

I wonder if it just comes down to Tarasenko or Bailey at this point. Bailey is simply plan B.
I have always liked Bailey; I am not sure if his "down year" is the result being done or needing a change of scenery. Sens staff will have to do some due diligence to figure that out. I feel a lot hinges on the next move, even if it is a depth piece.

Pinto needs a playmaker and Bailey could get him the the puck.

 

[Que]

That would mean they would be out of the Tank sweepstakes though…

Have zero idea why anyone would be against bringing him in. He is still a premiere winger in this game and only two years ago was considered a top 10 goal scorer in the NHL.

Even on a 1 year deal it would be a fun season, though I suspect we’re pushing a 2 or 3 year deal. I know he would play very well with Jimmy and Brady.

Really? Alfie was on the sens and is the best Senator of all time. EK doesnt even play here anymore. How on earth would Toronto get EK exactly? They are 8 million over the cap. Its not happening.

Id rather he stays out of the east but frankly I dont care what other teams are doing its out of the sens control. I do worry about whats happening here right now when you see guys like Sundqvist sign for the league minimum somewhere else. When the sens have horrible forward depth.

Seeing the current 2nd greatest Ottawa Senator of all time in my arch rivals colours - then having to play against him 20 times in the next four seasons (excluding playoffs) would be insufferable.

When Jamal Williams was signed by the Denver Broncos I think a part of my soul died. Then the franchise moved to Los Angles and I got it back.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

So Traded Debrincat, Acquired MacKewen , Watched Dev Camp, Fired Mann... time to take a break I guess.

 

[SpezDispenser]

So Traded Debrincat, Acquired MacKewen , Watched Dev Camp, Fired Mann... time to take a break I guess.

Mic drop.

 

[Mingus Dew]

I cant believe people want to trade 4 straight first round picks before this team has made the playoffs. Thats insane to me. They dont even need more top end skill they have that. They need depth. Especially not another small player. Team needs to get bigger faster and harder to play against. Wheres Keller going to play? Second line second pp for 7 million? Look at Vegas and Florida those teams are built to win. They roll 4 lines deep. 3 lines that can score because they spread out the scoring. the sens have 5 players that produce at a first line level. Pinto is trending towards being a 25/25 guy that should enable them to have 3 good pairs giving them 3 good lines. They need guys like Formenton. Workers that can compliment skill.

Truly insane. I love Konecny and Keller and Crouse they are great players but the idea that we should trade more draft capital is just bonkers.

The cupboards are dry and we haven’t made the playoffs in 6 years. This team has been managed like a Stanley Cup contender when it’s barely been a bubble team.

We need those first round picks desperately. Those are the guys that will come into the lineup in 3-4 years when we’re competing and be huge parts of our third and fourth lines.

 

[armani]

So Traded Debrincat, Acquired MacKewen , Watched Dev Camp, Fired Mann... time to take a break I guess.

Wonder how much of the holding pattern is influenced by pending ownership transfer, it's possible that a moratorium has been placed on spending on players until Dandy Andlauer takes over.

Another possibility is waiting on Tarasenko's decision before going after options b, c...Dorion usually ends up with options X, Y, Z..the more we wait the worse the FA pool depth gets.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Wonder how much of the holding pattern is influenced by pending ownership transfer, it's possible that a moratorium has been placed on spending on players until Dandy Andlauer takes over.

Another possibility is waiting on Tarasenko's decision before going after options b, c...Dorion usually ends up with options X, Y, Z.

The other FAs (Tatar for example) are probably waiting for Tarasenko to sign so that the big fish can be off the market. That’s my guess.

Would be weird for Andlauer to say no signings until formal ownership transfer because that could really handicap the team this season if they’re left holding the bag.

 

[JD1]

Truly insane. I love Konecny and Keller and Crouse they are great players but the idea that we should trade more draft capital is just bonkers.

The cupboards are dry and we haven’t made the playoffs in 6 years. This team has been managed like a Stanley Cup contender when it’s barely been a bubble team.

We need those first round picks desperately. Those are the guys that will come into the lineup in 3-4 years when we’re competing and be huge parts of our third and fourth lines.

I agree that we need to hang on to our first rounders

But your off base thinking they'll be bottom 6 guys in 3 or 4 years. First rounders that pan out quickly are top 6 players. What they will do if they're ready to play is give us an option to move a top 6 guy to balance cap and restock with the returns from moving the top 6 guy.

And if you want to copy cat....vegas has zero ELCs in the playoffs

 

[armani]

The other FAs (Tatar for example) are probably waiting for Tarasenko to sign so that the big fish can be off the market. That’s my guess.

Would be weird for Andlauer to say no signings until formal ownership transfer because that could really handicap the team this season if they’re left holding the bag.

It would be, unless he is trying to minimize Dorion making roster decisions until his annointed GM (Staios?) gets to town. They could be eyeing trades, but yeah my guess is Sens has an offer for Tarasenko and is awaiting a decision. Tatar, Bailey...subsequent options if Tara rejects.

 

[Mingus Dew]

I agree that we need to hang on to our first rounders

But your off base thinking they'll be bottom 6 guys in 3 or 4 years. First rounders that pan out quickly are top 6 players. What they will do if they're ready to play is give us an option to move a top 6 guy to balance cap and restock with the returns from moving the top 6 guy.

And if you want to copy cat....vegas has zero ELCs in the playoffs

That would obviously be great, but I’m hoping we will be picking middle to late in upcoming drafts so getting top 6 players might be difficult. If we pick say 16th this year and maybe we get a late pick from Boston perhaps those guys are ready to contribute 3-4 years down the road in a middle 6 capacity.

 

[jbeck5]

You can’t really role three D pairings evenly, the ice time doesn’t work the way people think. You want your best guys playing together long term building chemistry and being able to shut down the top players in he league, not have one awesome guy saddled with a lesser guy to drag along.

It will likely be Chabby and Chych, then Sandy and Zub. Then we’ll see Branny and Hammy/JBD until Kleven is ready.

I liked the budding Kleven and JBD pairing and wouldn’t be surprised at all if they hit the ground running in camp.

You can't roll them evenly, sure...

But 22-20-18 is doable. It's also needed so our top guys aren't overworked and done by playoff time. Let guys like Branny or JBD or kleven play more than 12 mins most nights.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Have zero idea why anyone would be against bringing him in. He is still a premiere winger in this game and only two years ago was considered a top 10 goal scorer in the NHL.

Even on a 1 year deal it would be a fun season, though I suspect we’re pushing a 2 or 3 year deal. I know he would play very well with Jimmy and Brady.



Seeing the current 2nd greatest Ottawa Senator of all time in my arch rivals colours - then having to play against him 20 times in the next four seasons (excluding playoffs) would be insufferable.

When Jamal Williams was signed by the Denver Broncos I think a part of my soul died. Then the franchise moved to Los Angles and I got it back.

Totally agree, I meant that if they are out that leaves poor little us. The nerdy looking girl with the potential for a massive glow up once the glasses come off and the cool girl does our make up….

 

[Silencio]

Wonder how much of the holding pattern is influenced by pending ownership transfer, it's possible that a moratorium has been placed on spending on players until Dandy Andlauer takes over.

Maybe…it would be kind of weird for Andlauer to be cool with handing out a 5 year 20 million deal for Korpisalo but draw the line at one year of Tarasenko though.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Mid July and our 3rd line isn't finished. Come on now.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Truly insane. I love Konecny and Keller and Crouse they are great players but the idea that we should trade more draft capital is just bonkers.

The cupboards are dry and we haven’t made the playoffs in 6 years. This team has been managed like a Stanley Cup contender when it’s barely been a bubble team.

We need those first round picks desperately. Those are the guys that will come into the lineup in 3-4 years when we’re competing and be huge parts of our third and fourth lines.

The funny thing is that we have a slew of guys right now that will be in the bottom 6 or n their ELCs in three or 4 years already in the pool.

Folks are making too much of a big deal about 1st round picks in my opinion. We are out exactly 1 pick, because he turned into Chych, who is much better than we could hope a 1st becomes, and is exactly in our age group. He is better than a bottom 6 guy in 3-4 years.

We have two first round picks next year, which is great, as we wanted one back for DBC. Getting an age appropriate guy to actually play and score 20 in the NHL is more valuable than a bottom six potential player in 3-4 years.

Crouse would be an amazing get for one of our firsts next year. I would want to trade one for anything, but some guys are absolutely worth it.

 

[Ice-Tray]

You can't roll them evenly, sure...

But 22-20-18 is doable. It's also needed so our top guys aren't overworked and done by playoff time. Let guys like Branny or JBD or kleven play more than 12 mins most nights.

I mean I suspect we’d see more like 24-22-14. We have three #1 defencemen at the moment. The horses have to play.

This isn’t basketball, guys don’t need load management for playoffs if they are playing 22-24 minutes a night.

Besides, you want you best guys on the ice together, and those best guys play PP and often some PK. It’s just not reasonable to split the D ice time like that when you have a pretty clear bottom pair.

If we get to a place where we have a true shut down pair like Kleven and JBD who could be used to shit down secondary scoring lines effectively while being 1st options on the PK we could see a more even split, but I don’t really want Bran, Hammy, JBD playing 18 minutes a night right now.

 

[Mingus Dew]

The funny thing is that we have a slew of guys right now that will be in the bottom 6 or n their ELCs in three or 4 years already in the pool.

Folks are making too much of a big deal about 1st round picks in my opinion. We are out exactly 1 pick, because he turned into Chych, who is much better than we could hope a 1st becomes, and is exactly in our age group. He is better than a bottom 6 guy in 3-4 years.

We have two first round picks next year, which is great, as we wanted one back for DBC. Getting an age appropriate guy to actually play and score 20 in the NHL is more valuable than a bottom six potential player in 3-4 years.

Crouse would be an amazing get for one of our firsts next year. I would want to trade one for anything, but some guys are absolutely worth it.

Do we?

Grieg, Ostapchuk and Boucher are safe bets to be good bottom 6 forwards, I think. After that it gets real murky. Similarly I don't think that we have a lot of promising guys in the D pipeline after Kleven.

I think we are past trading first round picks for Top 6 players. Our Top 6 is arguably our strongest asset right now.

It would be great to bulk up the prospect pool a bit and have more home grown depth that we can draw on in 3-4 years when we're actually competing for something. At that time we can think about mortgaging the future to go all in. I just don't want this team to do that this season.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Do we?

Grieg, Ostapchuk and Boucher are safe bets to be good bottom 6 forwards, I think. After that it gets real murky. Similarly I don't think that we have a lot of promising guys in the D pipeline after Kleven.

I think we are past trading first round picks for Top 6 players. Our Top 6 is arguably our strongest asset right now.

It would be great to bulk up the prospect pool a bit and have more home grown depth that we can draw on in 3-4 years when we're actually competing for something. At that time we can think about mortgaging the future to go all in. I just don't want this team to do that this season.

I mean I don’t disagree with any of this really. I just think that Crouse is like a Brady-lite and would be happy to add him to the core. I think he’s be the kind of guy who would be a solid playoff player for us.

He’s young, locked in on a good deal, and is more of a middle six guy who can fill out the middle 9 with Kubalik.

Anyways, pipe dream. Actual good NHL players are > than draft picks and 3-4 years development sometimes.

 

[JD1]

I think guys on HF get far too caught up in projecting future rosters and where bottom 6 and bottom pair guys come from

Unless they move Chabot, our top 3 look like this
Sanderson
Chabot
Chychrun

Our top forward group looks like this
Stu
Tkachuk
Norris
Batherson
Giroux

Looks like Korpisalo is here for a few years too

Realistically beyond those names, who know what happens. There's way more roster turnover in the nhl than fanboards ever predict.

And those names, supported by a flushed out cast, are either good enough to win or not.

 

[Mingus Dew]

I mean I don’t disagree with any of this really. I just think that Crouse is like a Brady-lite and would be happy to add him to the core. I think he’s be the kind of guy who would be a solid playoff player for us.

He’s young, locked in on a good deal, and is more of a middle six guy who can fill out the middle 9 with Kubalik.

Anyways, pipe dream. Actual good NHL players are > than draft picks and 3-4 years development sometimes.

I will admit Crouse is a bit of a unicorn haha. Not that I think he's available.

 

[HSF]

If you can get keller on that contract for just draft capital you definitely do it.

unfortunately he is staying in Arizona

 

[GCK]

If you can get keller on that contract for just draft capital you definitely do it.

unfortunately he is staying in Arizona

No real interest in Keller right now.