GDT: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 3

[JD1]

We have not established ourselves as a playoff team yet, let alone a contender.

I don't get what you don't understand about this. I was for the Chychrun trade, but we've been bleeding picks and can't afford to trade more. It's that simple.

This is on top of blowing the 2021 draft, and I don't see much talent coming from the 2022 or 2023 drafts either. Looks like a repeat of the 2012-2014 dry spell we had that didn't produce a single impact player (by that I mean top 6 F/top 4 D/#1 G).

If we keep trading picks we're going to create an incredibly short window to potentially contend. Rushing a rebuild has consequences and the Canucks are seeing that right now.

I'm not sure what you don't get

If you liked the Chychrun trade, that 2026 2nd was part of the package to get him.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

If we keep trading picks we're going to create an incredibly short window to potentially contend. Rushing a rebuild has consequences and the Canucks are seeing that right now.

the Sens are now emerging from a massive rebuild, that included trading away some first round picks, in an attempt to acquire established players to support the core group of “home grown” prospects to push for playoff success in the next 4 to 5 years.

doubt very much any of the first rounders traded during the rebuild, would even be able to crack the current roster that is poised to go on a playoff run…. And if another first rounder is traded in the next couple of years, to strength the current roster, for the playoffs runs envisioned by the team…. So be it, they too would not factor into making the team better in the next 4 or 5 years, as they would be hard pressed to even secure a roster spot….. so if there is ever a good time to trade a first rounder or two, this would be the time.

yes The Canucks “rushed” their rebuild…. But Ottawa did the opposite, they stripped down to the studs, and have slowly or five or perhaps six seasons rebuilt their team….

 

[Dionysus]

the Sens are now emerging from a massive rebuild, that included trading away some first round picks, in an attempt to acquire established players to support the core group of “home grown” prospects to push for playoff success in the next 4 to 5 years.

doubt very much any of the first rounders traded during the rebuild, would even be able to crack the current roster that is poised to go on a playoff run…. And if another first rounder is traded in the next couple of years, to strength the current roster, for the playoffs runs envisioned by the team…. So be it, they too would not factor into making the team better in the next 4 or 5 years, as they would be hard pressed to even secure a roster spot….. so if there is ever a good time to trade a first rounder or two, this would be the time.

yes The Canucks “rushed” their rebuild…. But Ottawa did the opposite, they stripped down to the studs, and have slowly or five or perhaps six seasons rebuilt their team….

A guy like Marco Kasper, likely target at 7th in 2022, would surely help the team over that window. Quality players on ELC's are huge for teams that are competitive and spending near the cap.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Islanders have to clear major salary cap hurdle to pursue Vladimir Tarasenko

If the Islanders wish to add a big name who can fill a hole of a 30-goal scorer before the season begins, there is still one option left: Vladimir Tarasenko.

nypost.com

Taking on Pageau as a cap dump to allow NYI to sign Tarasenko is something I'd be fine with.

Less upside but is probably less risky than signing Tarasenko to a deal with term.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Islanders have to clear major salary cap hurdle to pursue Vladimir Tarasenko

If the Islanders wish to add a big name who can fill a hole of a 30-goal scorer before the season begins, there is still one option left: Vladimir Tarasenko.

nypost.com

Taking on Pageau as a cap dump to allow NYI to sign Tarasenko is something I'd be fine with.

Less upside but is probably less risky than signing Tarasenko to a deal with term.

What are the chances of getting a pick to take on Pageau? I really didn't hate the idea of moving DeBrincat to the isles with Pageau ++ as a return . I know I am probably in the minority there.
Not sure we even have the space for Pageau

 

[Hale The Villain]

What are the chances of getting a pick to take on Pageau? I really didn't hate the idea of moving DeBrincat to the isles with Pageau ++ as a return . I know I am probably in the minority there.
Not sure we even have the space for Pageau

We'd likely be in the same cap situation adding Pageau as signing Tarasenko. All of our 5M in cap space would be going towards one of them, with Pinto still to sign.

Would need Toronto to buyout Murray, opening up 1.3M in cap space, which is the max we could give to Pinto on a 1 year deal.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

We'd likely be in the same cap situation adding Pageau as signing Tarasenko. All of our 5M in cap space would be going towards one of them, with Pinto still to sign.

Would need Toronto to buyout Murray, opening up 1.3M in cap space, which is the max we could give to Pinto on a 1 year deal.

That would really be putting the squeeze on Pinto but the numbers work

 

[Crosside]

I prefer a real winger like Tarasenko over Pageau. I don t know where he fit

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

I wouldn’t mind Pageau back to create some real depth on the team, but for 3 years at $5M is gonna handcuff us like the Isles right now when Greig, Sanderson, Chychrun, and maybe Pinto have contracts up in 2 years.

We better get a 1st rounder back for taking on that contract.

 

[Daffy]

I wouldn’t mind Pageau back to create some real depth on the team, but for 3 years at $5M is gonna handcuff us like the Isles right now when Greig, Sanderson, Chychrun, and maybe Pinto have contracts up in 2 years.

We better get a 1st rounder back for taking on that contract.

No chance of getting a 1st back to take Pageau

 

[Sun God Nika]

I would do Joseph for Pageau + 2nd.

Sens get a more serviceable player in pageau for 2m more in net cap. Get out of a shitty contract for a slightly bad contract

 

[TheNewEra]

I wouldn’t mind Pageau back to create some real depth on the team, but for 3 years at $5M is gonna handcuff us like the Isles right now when Greig, Sanderson, Chychrun, and maybe Pinto have contracts up in 2 years.

We better get a 1st rounder back for taking on that contract.

Instead of pageau I would prefer Palmieri. Especially if the plan is to allow the isles to free up cap space for tarasenko

Palmieri and a 2nd for Kelly

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Giroux
Palmieri-Norris-Batherson
Kubalik-Pinto-Joseph
Greig-Kastelic-MacEwen/Sokolov

 

[Duncstar]

I would do Joseph for Pageau + 2nd.

Sens get a more serviceable player in pageau for 2m more in net cap. Get out of a shitty contract for a slightly bad contract

Best idea I've seen yet. I've also seen Pinto 2C Norris LW/C. Mentor like Giroux. Flip back and forth as they feel it.

We might be a lot closer than our fans think. All comes down to Korps and Berg holding it down.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Instead of pageau I would prefer Palmieri. Especially if the plan is to allow the isles to free up cap space for tarasenko

Palmieri and a 2nd for Kelly

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Giroux
Palmieri-Norris-Batherson
Kubalik-Pinto-Joseph
Greig-Kastelic-MacEwen/Sokolov

Maybe Smejkal can push Joseph down. MacEwen 13th

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

I like the Joseph for Pageau and the Palmieri idea as well.

How do we reach Dorion to get off his ass and get these done?

 

[Hale The Villain]

I would do Joseph for Pageau + 2nd.

Sens get a more serviceable player in pageau for 2m more in net cap. Get out of a shitty contract for a slightly bad contract

Why would the Isles do that?

They'll probably need more than 2M in cap space to sign Tarasenko, and they certainly aren't adding to Pageau to get Joseph.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Why would the Isles do that?

They'll probably need more than 2M in cap space to sign Tarasenko, and they certainly aren't adding to Pageau to get Joseph.

It depends how much they value 2m in cap space and how badly they would want it done

At the very least it will help them hold onto Wahlstrom

 

[HoweHullOrr]

That Larry Brooks article about Islanders interest in Tarasenko and moving Pageau seemed pretty speculative.

And not sure whether the Isles would be interested in Joseph either.

Also, given the cap savings are the likely motivation, the Islanders would probably be more interested in picks/prospects/ELC (something low cost) as a $2 m cap saving by acquiring Joseph is relatively meager.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Was more in relation to the 89.5 cap hit you listed.
Other than Joseph gone, what did you give up for Crouse and Keller.

So the cap hit works and fits under when you factor Sandy’s increase next year and Chychrun’s the year after.
My original point was that be adding Keller and Crouse for literally almost anything over the next 2 years is fine.
give them our entire draft the next 2 years for all I care.
That roster can be kept together for as long as we choose to keep it.
Tkachuk Stutzle Giroux
Keller Norris Batherson
Crouse Pinto Greig
Kastelic macewen

Chabot Chychrun
Sandy Zub
Kleven JBD

Korpisalo
Sogaard

I have no problem selling out whatever picks and prospects to have that team for the next 5+ years.

 

[DanyHeatley]

How about something like
1 of either Brannstrom or Joseph

For

DAL: Mason Marchment

 

[Hale The Villain]

That Larry Brooks article about Islanders interest in Tarasenko and moving Pageau seemed pretty speculative.

And not sure whether the Isles would be interested in Joseph either.

Also, given the cap savings are the likely motivation, the Islanders would probably be more interested in picks/prospects/ELC (something low cost) as a $2 m cap saving by acquiring Joseph is relatively meager.

Yeah I expect them to just sign Wahlstrom and call it a summer.

That would really be putting the squeeze on Pinto but the numbers work

Dallas did something similar with Dellandrea.

Might piss him off but if there's only 1.3M in cap space, only so much he can do as an RFA that is ineligible for arbitration or offer sheets.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I wouldn’t mind Pageau back to create some real depth on the team, but for 3 years at $5M is gonna handcuff us like the Isles right now when Greig, Sanderson, Chychrun, and maybe Pinto have contracts up in 2 years.

We better get a 1st rounder back for taking on that contract.

They'd either attach a high pick or prosect to outright dump him or have to eat 40 percent of his contract, I would guess.

 

[BondraTime]

Don’t think Pageau is a negative asset, not sure why they’d have to give up picks to move him.

He’s still the exact same 40-45 point, defensive Center he’s been throughout his career. 5 million for another 3 years isn’t a burden for his game.

 

[JD1]

Don’t think Pageau is a negative asset, not sure why they’d have to give up picks to move him.

He’s still the exact same 40-45 point, defensive Center he’s been throughout his career. 5 million for another 3 years isn’t a burden for his game.

Oof. Idk about that. Pageau was getting 17 + minutes a night in NYI. He's not getting that here. Nostalgia wise, I get it. But if we have a relatively injury free year, we're in decent shape down the middle. That 5M price tag is a problem

 

[BondraTime]

Oof. Idk about that. Pageau was getting 17 + minutes a night in NYI. He's not getting that here. Nostalgia wise, I get it. But if we have a relatively injury free year, we're in decent shape down the middle. That 5M price tag is a problem

Not getting that here, sure.

I’m talking about him as someone that the Islanders need to pay, what some here are saying a high pick even a 1st, to move Pageau.

He’s pretty much the same player he’s always been, steady top 6 icetime forward used defensively who chips in 40 points a year.

If they have to move him to fit in Tarasenko, they’ll find a place for him without giving up prime draft picks.