GDT: Free Agency Day - 7/13 @ 12pm EST

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Is this not because of the reality that hockey’s never been as popular of a sport as football or basketball in the states? It affects the entire calculus of the different leagues’ monetary situation.

The last thing anyone should do is listen to basket cases on this website ranting about economics.
Agreed it’s not as popular, but this isn’t the wnba. It isn’t the mls. I just read recently they brought in record sponsorship revenue this year. They just signed new tv deals. There is zero reason the cap should have jumped up on 3M in the last 5 years. That increase doesn’t even cover the barclay goodrow contract.

The Tampa bay lightning have done everything right. They drafted well and developed their own players. They won 2 Stanley cups. There is no reason they should be penalized for doing too good of a job. I understand and agree with having a cap. God knows the rangers were lost without one, but a $3m increase in 5 years is just dumb.
 
All I'd change to the salary cap is to allow one buyout (at full money) per season per team to not count against the cap. That way both rich and "poor" teams profit: rich teams can correct their mistakes, while other teams can sign those players cheaper. And the players also profit.
 
If the Rangers waive/trade Gauthier, Carpenter and Hunt, they can sign Motte @ $1.6m and fit it under the cap. This assumes Kaako gets $2.25m.

Panarin-Trochek-Kravtsov
Kreider-Zibanejad-Blais
Lafreniere-Chytil-Kaako
Motte-Goodrow-Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Hajek

Shesty
Halak

$0.696m in cap space

I still don't understand the need to carry extra players on the roster, especially at the beginning of the season
Depth for one thing. By carrying more players on the NHL roster, the team can carry more players overall. There are only so many vets they are going to have in Hartford due to the Developmental rule.

Injuries is another big reason. It isn't just about calling up a player. It's about reserving cap space to be able to handle injuries. Those extra players are already on the roster, so there's no cap implications if they need to sub in. And by not having to call players up, the AHL team is more stable and might actually play consistent hockey.

With no reserves, we'd need to leave more cap space to deal with injuries, or just pray that players don't get hurt. LTIR would be a possibility, but anyone on LTIR has to miss at least 10 games. If the player isn't expected to be out that long, he can't be placed on LTIR.

I like Motte, but if he wants to be a Rangers, then sign a 1 year deal for a lower number.
 
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The Reaves extension was so weird.

Couldn't wait to give him $1.75M.

Vegas wanted to do right by Reaves who was so instrumental in helping to build that franchise not only on the ice, but also off the ice in the community. For a guy in the role that he is in, to uproot his entire life for 1 season as a mercenary may not have been overly attractive so when Vegas told him he was being shopped, they may have been trying to find a home for him where he would be more than a 1 year piece.

Basically, it's distinctly possible that Reaves specifically asked to be moved somewhere that would give him, at the very least, a 1 year extension.

This goes back to one of my original thoughts though. Why extend him for 1 season @ $1.75m. Why not give him a 2 year deal worth $1.3m per season. If his play falls off a cliff then you demote and bury his contract. It drops the cap hit and he actually gets more $$. It's a win win
 
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NHL needs bird rights
That only works in the NBA because they have a luxury tax, and maximum salaries by years playing.
The nfl has a franchise tag but the players hate it, and it wouldn’t work in the nhl because owners wouldn’t want to pay it.
The nhl has the longest period of time from draft to ufa, no holdouts to renegotiate contracts, and fully guaranteed deals.

The most of the owners want no part of bird rights because that would let teams go over the cap.
 
I don't see the issue with the Salary Cap. If we didn't have 3.5 mil in dead space this year we would be gold.

If there wasn't a pandemic that shut the season down early and forced a playoffs and nearly a whole season and another playoffs to be played in front of empty buildings then we aren't talking about a Salary Cap crunch because the Cap would likely be 95 million with all the missed revenue and the new T.V. deal.

The pandemic directly caused this situation with the Cap, but the Rangers' contract negligence over the years has caused our issue this year. 3.5 million is Motte and a better Depth D with room to accrue more space to make a better add at the deadline.
 
Vincebros be like
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Larrychads just follow our intuition
Vincebros we got too cocky
 
The biggest thing the NHL needs to do is reduce contract lengths. The NBA only allows 5 year deals max for your own players and 4 years for other team's free agents. The 2nd biggest is reduce the years pro to hit free agency from 7 or 27 to 5 or 25. And the last one is to have your salary and signing bonus be your cap hit.

7 and 8 year deals are the bane of the league. Players sign these deals and become unable to finish the contract. It was worse when there was no restrictions on it, as we're seeing it with a few of the deals remaining that are on LTIR (Seabrook, Weber).

If the max amount a player can sign for is just like the NBA, 5 for your own team, 4 as a free agent, you'll have teams more flush with cap space because these deals will be ending sooner. This season, the free agent class of 2016 has its top 3 players for term on expiring deals. Lucic, Ladd, and Okposo. Not one of those players is worth what they signed for. Only Okposo was not traded, and that was because the team needed his money to reach the salary cap floor.

Trocheck signed his 7 year deal to "lower the AAV". Instead of that, a player's salary + signing bonus should be what they make against the cap. No more average annual value. If you make 7M this season, you have a 7M cap hit. It would allow the flexibility to sign someone and have their salary match where you expect them. Trocheck signed for 4.5M and 4M his last two years. That should be his cap charge. Maybe you are expecting him to be a 3C by then, so you are paying him like that.

I think these three things would result in more player movement, less dead contracts, and flexibility to get creative when projecting your roster for future seasons.
 
Waiving Hunt and carpenter to fit in Motte doesn't make any sense to me. I don't think its beneficial in the slightest. If you want Motte to return then trade Reaves who Motte is a clear upgrade on.
 
I know right now no choice but some people continue to put laffy Kakko on the 3rd line. It's not going to happen especially laffy. Kakko if he still here will be in top 6 now that leaves Chytll and Kravy also won't work these 4 need (especially top two picks) need regular ice time on top lines. Something will have to give.
Doesn't Chytll and Kravy combined make like 4.75 million or more? I can see a trade with a team retaining or for a younger asset or one cost controlled mid aged like PLD type player that age but don't know who that is.
A package of Chytll Kravy and Jones would fetch something valuable.

I don't want to trade either of the first 2 but can't watch them waste away on 3rd line and not play pp or pk etc. Any of the 4 forward for that matter.
 
Vegas wanted to do right by Reaves who was so instrumental in helping to build that franchise not only on the ice, but also off the ice in the community. For a guy in the role that he is in, to uproot his entire life for 1 season as a mercenary may not have been overly attractive so when Vegas told him he was being shopped, they may have been trying to find a home for him where he would be more than a 1 year piece.

Basically, it's distinctly possible that Reaves specifically asked to be moved somewhere that would give him, at the very least, a 1 year extension.

This goes back to one of my original thoughts though. Why extend him for 1 season @ $1.75m. Why not give him a 2 year deal worth $1.3m per season. If his play falls off a cliff then you demote and bury his contract. It drops the cap hit and he actually gets more $$. It's a win win

Knowing what we know about Vegas, it definitely wasnt them who wanted to do right by Reaves. Very likely the Rangers extended him as a show of good faith. Difference between an organization with class, and one without it.

I don't see the issue with the Salary Cap. If we didn't have 3.5 mil in dead space this year we would be gold.

If there wasn't a pandemic that shut the season down early and forced a playoffs and nearly a whole season and another playoffs to be played in front of empty buildings then we aren't talking about a Salary Cap crunch because the Cap would likely be 95 million with all the missed revenue and the new T.V. deal.

The pandemic directly caused this situation with the Cap, but the Rangers' contract negligence over the years has caused our issue this year. 3.5 million is Motte and a better Depth D with room to accrue more space to make a better add at the deadline.

Excellent point on the dead cap we have on the books. I would bet thats why Drury was ok with giving up a couple of high picks down the road to not have to deal with Nemeth's dead money in the near term.
 
I heard the last 32T podcast of this season. Elliotte Friedman was running through a list of teams and giving thoughts on each team. He heard the Rangers talked to Vancouver. He also heard the Rangers were talking to the Blues. Apparently, he asked the Rangers at the draft and they said nothing was going on. He said the Rangers and Blues have been talking for a while.

The Blues don't have many young D in the system.
 
I heard the last 32T podcast of this season. Elliotte Friedman was running through a list of teams and giving thoughts on each team. He heard the Rangers talked to Vancouver. He also heard the Rangers were talking to the Blues. Apparently, he asked the Rangers at the draft and they said nothing was going on. He said the Rangers and Blues have been talking for a while.

The Blues don't have many young D in the system.
maybe Tarasenko with a good amount of retention for someone like Jones/Hajek/Lundkvist? I mean it doesn't sound that amazing good for us but we don't have enough room for some of these young D and Senko still is solid. Our weakest position on paper at the moment is RW so if NYR-STL have been talking a lot I can see something like that possibly happening.

Or maybe a young C like Kostin, who has some history with Kravtsov
 
I heard the last 32T podcast of this season. Elliotte Friedman was running through a list of teams and giving thoughts on each team. He heard the Rangers talked to Vancouver. He also heard the Rangers were talking to the Blues. Apparently, he asked the Rangers at the draft and they said nothing was going on. He said the Rangers and Blues have been talking for a while.

The Blues don't have many young D in the system.

Tarasenko would look really good for one year with Panarin & Trocheck. Barabshev is an interesting player too and they will need to extend him next offseason (We also just drafted his brother). They have 1 million in cap space now and need to extend Mikkola or trade him. ROR & Kyrou need new contracts next. Matchbox 20 just got 8mil a year.
 
Agreed it’s not as popular, but this isn’t the wnba. It isn’t the mls. I just read recently they brought in record sponsorship revenue this year. They just signed new tv deals. There is zero reason the cap should have jumped up on 3M in the last 5 years. That increase doesn’t even cover the barclay goodrow contract.

The Tampa bay lightning have done everything right. They drafted well and developed their own players. They won 2 Stanley cups. There is no reason they should be penalized for doing too good of a job. I understand and agree with having a cap. God knows the rangers were lost without one, but a $3m increase in 5 years is just dumb.
Two seasons shortened due to the pandemic and some of that played without fans is the reason the cap hasn't gone up much in 5 years. In exchange for the cap not going down because of the pandemic, the idea is that the lost revenue has to be paid back before the cap can go up.
It's tied to revenues and is supposedly a 50-50 split. During the pandemic seasons, the revenue brought in did not match the players contracts. The cap should have gone down, but no one really wanted that so they said we'll keep it where it is and when revenues rise again, the owners portion is owed a bigger piece of that until things are all paid back.

The sponsorship deals and tv deals etc are why people predict a big jump in the cap number in a few years once the lost revenue is paid back

I don't know how other leagues dealt with it, but the easy answer is probably always that they are on better financial footing than the NHL.
If you’re going to have a flat hard cap you cannot have guaranteed contracts. Just one doesn’t go with the other
what is a "flat hard cap"

a flat cap would be if the cap number doesn't rise and is always set at on thing. The NHLs cap is tied to revenue and rises (or shrinks!) dependant on that. It's been called a "flat cap" for the past few years because it has not gone up as was expected before the pandemic but for the reasons I outlined above.

it's a hard cap, but it's not inheritently a flat cap

sometimes I think people still don't understand that the pandemic is still having an effect on things.

I heard the last 32T podcast of this season. Elliotte Friedman was running through a list of teams and giving thoughts on each team. He heard the Rangers talked to Vancouver. He also heard the Rangers were talking to the Blues. Apparently, he asked the Rangers at the draft and they said nothing was going on. He said the Rangers and Blues have been talking for a while.

The Blues don't have many young D in the system.
Chris Drury talks to every GM about anyone who is possibly available. It doesn't mean anything is imminant or they're hot after something, it's him checking in just in case something is there.
 
If we sent Lundkvist to the Blue the return would be a prospect and/or pick(s)

perhaps the ship has already sailed unless they want to deal their 2023 1st round pick which I doubt. the 23rd overall they had was an option. I think whatever happening there is in the past.
 
The anti-salary cap takes here are funny. This is one of the reasons that make the NHL way more fun and entertaining than other sports.

It allows for parity, way more strategy, and creativity in constructing a roster, instead of having situations like the Dodgers and Yankees buying talent with deep pockets. Sure, it would give the Rangers an advantage which is nice, but overall is good for the NHL.

I’m all for non-fully guaranteed contracts with incentives for players, but a hard salary cap is excellent.
You shouldn't have a hard salary cap with guaranteed contracts and it being flat for what could amount to 4-5 years. There has to be some flexibility. Every other major sports league has some checks and balances but with flexibility. I have been against a hard cap since it was instituted and a flat cap just makes it worse. I remember hockey being just as entertaining, if not more, prior to the hard cap. You talk about parity. Since the hard cap started there have been 11 different teams that have won the cup and in the same amount of years before the cap there were 10. Not much of a difference. The only reason there is a cap is the cheap owners trying to save themselves from themselves.
 
perhaps the ship has already sailed unless they want to deal their 2023 1st round pick which I doubt. the 23rd overall they had was an option. I think whatever happening there is in the past.
Possibly.

Blues could really use some young D help.

Lundkvist for Nikita Alexandrov + 2024 2nd
 
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