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Or this year before the draft. Or after the draft. Or during the season.
GDT: Free Agency Day 1: You're from Boston? Come on down
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Gurglesons
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All of the guys taken on are very much Mike Sullivan kinda guys.
What's this crazy horseshit about "flipping them later?"
And people say I don't pay any attention.
What's this crazy horseshit about "flipping them later?"
And people say I don't pay any attention.
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Well yeah. Problem is 2 bad moves came out of the 5 big decisions he’s had to make. EK went okay but only because you got rid of Rutta and Granlund and went on a heater at the end of the season. Wash. Smith was a no brainer to acquire but went poorly and you had to retain to recoup value, let’s call it a net wash. And I know it’s unpopular but I think the Jake trade was solid, not a home run but decent.
So 5 big decisions… 2 very bad (Graves/Jarry). 2 washes. 1 okay.
That’s the issue. When he’s taken swings it hasn’t gone well. I don’t hate Dubas at all but it’s easy to be conservative and not make bad moves. Hard to get the big calls correct and so far he hasn’t.
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Wasn't SJ gonna do this whole thing with Granlund? I mean, it's good in theory but how often do we see the "bad team signs a guy to boost his value and flip him"?
It's why I didn't want Wennberg. It's why I don't want Petts re-signed--I vehemently disagree with Emp's take that there's no harm in signing Petts to a 4 or 5 year deal cuz his value will be the same at the end of it.
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Quite often guys are signed on one-year deals and dealt at the trade deadline if the team is out of the playoffs. Good example is our boy Jason Zucker last year.
Gryz fits that profile if he plays well. Beauvillier could be a cheap depth piece just like last year.
Empoleon8771
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I think the biggest criticism you can throw at Dubas for the planned direction of the team is that it risks losing value on guys they currently have for the sake of keeping the team mildly better in the short term. I think his plan is to keep their important guys (guys like Karlsson, Rust, Pettersson and such) until the core retires, and then sell off those important guys at that point. I generally don't mind that strategy, mostly because I don't think the values of these players will likely be changing that much, but it's a valid criticism to make.
My guess for what happens is:
1. Malkin re-signs for the 2026-2027 season and is possibly traded at the 2027 deadline.
2. Karlsson is traded in either the 2026 off-season or 2026-2027 deadline.
3. Rust is traded in either the 2026 off-season or 2026-2027 deadline.
4. Pettersson is traded with term sometime between the 2026-2027 deadline and 2028 off-season.
My guess for what happens is:
1. Malkin re-signs for the 2026-2027 season and is possibly traded at the 2027 deadline.
2. Karlsson is traded in either the 2026 off-season or 2026-2027 deadline.
3. Rust is traded in either the 2026 off-season or 2026-2027 deadline.
4. Pettersson is traded with term sometime between the 2026-2027 deadline and 2028 off-season.
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I try to provide nuance whenever I can. Acciari is just flat out cooked. Not much providing nuance there... But IMHO Graves's contract sucks vastly more than the player he is. He just can't play to the role it was hoped he could for this team and I think he is just all around a bad fit. He is a dude you want in your line up that never raises above the 3/4 slot on your 6 man backend. Put in that role on a more structured team and he would thrive I believe. Its just that contract length... Yeeesh. And you could argue with the contracts a lot of goalies have been getting in recent seasons Jarry basically got his value. In a vacuum. Now... I wish it would have been another GM that signed him to that and not ours and we would have traded him that off season. With all that said I am by no means granting Dubas a pass for his choices. I think he has been subpar overall since coming here, I just try to put everything on a scale rather than in right or wrong columns.Graves and Acciari are 6.5 million total. With Jarry it's 12ish.
HandshakeLine
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I think this is a pretty fair assessment, but I also just plain do not like or think the brand of hockey we have now quintuppled down on is at all appealing to watch, or likely to be successful. If someone told me that they had failed miserably 8 times and that the 9th time is going to be the one that gets it right with only minor changes, I would not give them the opportunity.
When have WE done it? Not to be blunt, but who cares what some other GM/PoHO did?
Gurglesons
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Well we haven't been in the position to do that since 2006...and we did so with Mark Recchi. We've been cup contenders ever since.
HandshakeLine
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Yeah, none of these guys were "we're gonna flip them for cheap at the TDL" projects. These were guys the coaching staff wanted.
Empoleon8771
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The Penguins haven't done it because they haven't done a rebuild in over 20 years.
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Nah can't move him. We need him to be around so for the retool to help educate the kids.
HandshakeLine
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And there were plenty of times when we should have in order to make the contending window longer. We have missed the mark many times with many GMs.
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HandshakeLine
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Yeah, the tough part that Dubas has to deal with is that he can’t just offload guys when he’s about to sign Crosby’s retirement contract and will have our 3 core guys locked up for three years. They still need capable players to play with. But I agree with your approach here.
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