Free Agency and Trade Thread - Playoff Edition II

[Mugzy97]

I wouldn't put it past Dubas to trade him.

Marner isn’t going anywhere

 

[Mugzy97]

People still talking about a Marleau deal, it’s not going to happen. He’s got a NMC and 1 year left.

 

[Menzinger]

People still talking about a Marleau deal, it’s not going to happen. He’s got a NMC and 1 year left.

I'd agree it certainly doesnt look like hes moveable.

But we still see a surprising amount of Leafs media guys suggesting it's a real possibility this summer so we'll see

 

[Fogelhund]

Marner isn’t going anywhere

Let's hope not... but one of the forwards is going, we know that... at least I'd assume so, to fix the RHD.

Marner should be a keeper, but what happens if he wants more than Matthews? $12M.... do you keep him, or trade him?

 

[TML Dynasty]

Marner isn’t going anywhere

Let's hope not... but one of the forwards is going, we know that... at least I'd assume so, to fix the RHD.

Marner should be a keeper, but what happens if he wants more than Matthews? $12M.... do you keep him, or trade him?

Yeah the Leafs are backed into a corner on what they can/should pay him.....if he wants more than that then the decision is already made.
Id really really really hate to lose him but the cap space and possible return would be pretty exciting.

 

[Kiwi]

Let's hope not... but one of the forwards is going, we know that... at least I'd assume so, to fix the RHD.

Marner should be a keeper, but what happens if he wants more than Matthews? $12M.... do you keep him, or trade him?

The amount of certainty surrounding Marner's future with the team from certain posters is interesting

I'm firmly in the love the kid and really want to keep him camp but that doesn't blind me to certain realities

If he wants to be a big enough prick in negotiations or signs an offer-sheet he could force himself out of town, I don't think that's likely but it's not impossible

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

At this point it seems pretty evident that 1 of AJ or Kap will be traded due to cap reasons. Kap makes more sense because of position, becuase he plays the right...But my feeling is AJ might be asking for more money, he also has arb rights and Kap does not. Kap also has a lot of advantages over AJ like size, speed, pk ability and age. My personal feeling is AJ will be the one moved but it might be dependant on who our ideal trade partner covets more.

If AJ is moved and Kap stays, do we move one of Kap/Nylander to the left and run: Nylander-Matthews-Kap ??

What hasn't been talked about enough is moving Hyman.

It seems like a given for everyone that Brown be moved out for contract reasons, but if it comes down to not having room for both of AJ and Kap, why not move Hyman out as well? I easily take either of those players over Hyman, whose current AAV (2.25) covers most of what a two-year bridge should be. (If either AJ or Kap pushes hard and becomes a $4M offer sheet risk, then you have to cancel my idea and move one/sign the other.)

Unless he's willing to sign for way below market value, Hyman only has two more years with the Leafs anyway - at the end of his contract, he'll be 29, and players like him really drop off after 30, but someone is still willing to pay them (see Komarov). If Hyman starts putting up 40 pts regularly, what does he get in free agency? $4M per?

For the record, I think it sucks that we have to move out guys like Hyman and the Brown who from all appearances are good team guys on fair contracts who go out and accept their role without any complaints. But in terms of keeping the goal of winning in sight, they're unfortunately two of the first guys you need to move.

Also, when I was tinkering around with lines on cap friendly after moving Hyman, I ended up with Johnsson-Tavares-Marner and Nylander-Matthews-Kapanen. Wasn't a huge amount left for Kadri to play with, but those are two legit #1 lines.

 

[al secord]

What hasn't been talked about enough is moving Hyman.

It seems like a given for everyone that Brown be moved out for contract reasons, but if it comes down to not having room for both of AJ and Kap, why not move Hyman out as well? I easily take either of those players over Hyman, whose current AAV (2.25) covers most of what a two-year bridge should be. (If either AJ or Kap pushes hard and becomes a $4M offer sheet risk, then you have to cancel my idea and move one/sign the other.)

Unless he's willing to sign for way below market value, Hyman only has two more years with the Leafs anyway - at the end of his contract, he'll be 29, and players like him really drop off after 30, but someone is still willing to pay them (see Komarov). If Hyman starts putting up 40 pts regularly, what does he get in free agency? $4M per?

For the record, I think it sucks that we have to move out guys like Hyman and the Brown who from all appearances are good team guys on fair contracts who go out and accept their role without any complaints. But in terms of keeping the goal of winning in sight, they're unfortunately two of the first guys you need to move.

Also, when I was tinkering around with lines on cap friendly after moving Hyman, I ended up with Johnsson-Tavares-Marner and Nylander-Matthews-Kapanen. Wasn't a huge amount left for Kadri to play with, but those are two legit #1 lines.

Babcock quits. Win/Win.

 

[Magic Man]

Lawson Crouse - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
Nick Ritchie - Auston Matthews - Kasperi Kapanen
Trevor Moore - Nazem Kadri - Zach Hyman
Colin Wilson - Jujhar Khaira - Noel Acciari
ex. Frederik Gauthier

Morgan Rielly - Adam Larsson
Jake Muzzin - Rasmus Ristolainen
Travis Dermott - Matt Benning
ex. Andreas Borgman

Frederik Andersen
Garret Sparks

Call Up Forward #1 - Ilya Mikheyev
Call Up Forward #2 - Mason Marchment
Call Up Forward #3 - Devante Smith-Pelly

Call Up Defenseman #1 - Rasmus Sandin
Call Up Defenseman #2 - Timothy Liljegren
Call Up Defenseman #3 - Justin Holl

Call Up Goalie #1 - Ian Scott

William Nylander for Rasmus Ristolainen

Andreas Johnsson for Nick Ritchie

Jeremy Bracco for Lawson Crouse

Connor Brown + Nikita Zaitsev + Calle Rosen + Nic Petan + Eemeli Rasanen + 2020 2nd rd. Pick for Jujhar Khaira + Adam Larsson + Matt Benning

Patrick Marleau for Maxim Letunov + a Conditional Late Round Draft Pick (dependent on playoff success)

Sign Noel Acciari for 2 years at 1.75M per

Sign Colin Wilson for 1 year at 2M

Sign Devante Smith-Pelly for 1 year at 700K, demote to the Marlies

Right and left shots are balanced on each pairing and forward line for Babcock. The defensive lineup at RD is addressed with 3 new additions Ristolainen, Larsson and Benning. Salary cleared in the right areas and then filled in with players that better fill out the roster. It addresses team toughness, the team becomes harder to play against on every line and pairing. Khaira is brought in to upgrade the 4th line center position and put an enforcer in place that can play every day. The special teams are upgraded with Ristolainen on PP#1 which creates the perfect on balance on unit #1. They'd have to try out a few options to create a good unit with Kadri, Muzzin, Kapanen and Ritchie as locks. Who they play with could be anyone, but I'd try and get Crouse in front of the net and going offensively with the investment paid. The PK see's Ritchie, Moore, Crouse, Acciari, Larsson and maybe Ristolainen as great options to create a better penalty kill. Colin Wilson is someone that could jump in at 3C if one of the top-3 centers go down. Noel Acciari provides Babcock with a right handed shot that he can line up on the PK or for defensive zone faceoffs. The bottom 4 players on the forward roster can all dress at center ice. Smith-Pelly would be a well rounded player that they could bring up and down from the Marlies with no solid veterans in place up front down there. Letunov is a center prospect that would address their depth issue for next season.

 

[Rielly4]

What hasn't been talked about enough is moving Hyman.

It seems like a given for everyone that Brown be moved out for contract reasons, but if it comes down to not having room for both of AJ and Kap, why not move Hyman out as well? I easily take either of those players over Hyman, whose current AAV (2.25) covers most of what a two-year bridge should be. (If either AJ or Kap pushes hard and becomes a $4M offer sheet risk, then you have to cancel my idea and move one/sign the other.)

Unless he's willing to sign for way below market value, Hyman only has two more years with the Leafs anyway - at the end of his contract, he'll be 29, and players like him really drop off after 30, but someone is still willing to pay them (see Komarov). If Hyman starts putting up 40 pts regularly, what does he get in free agency? $4M per?

For the record, I think it sucks that we have to move out guys like Hyman and the Brown who from all appearances are good team guys on fair contracts who go out and accept their role without any complaints. But in terms of keeping the goal of winning in sight, they're unfortunately two of the first guys you need to move.

Also, when I was tinkering around with lines on cap friendly after moving Hyman, I ended up with Johnsson-Tavares-Marner and Nylander-Matthews-Kapanen. Wasn't a huge amount left for Kadri to play with, but those are two legit #1 lines.

Not a bad idea at all... I agree with Hyman probably not being good post 30 and that his life with the leafs probably isnt very long term. But for the present what he brings is very valuable and is exactly what we lack... A guy who can be heavy downlow and really help keep the puck in the o zone for extended periods of time. Its definitely a tough choice though, and if AJ is willing to sign for 3 Million then it might be worth it to trade Hyman instead.

The other thing to consider is that we are probably going to try and get a top 4 d man back so trade value is kinda imporant, i think AJ and Kap probably have higher trade value than Hyman.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I'm not opposed to Laughton but his value is definitely a lot lower than Kadris value for a lot of reasons.

The idea of receiving Laughton in this kind of trade is fine, it's the other assets that makes this questionable. Gudas and a 3rd is just not good enough.

Agreed, I’d want Myers and their first included. Look what Jordan Staal went for to Carolina when Pittsburgh traded him as a base #8oa Dumolin and Brandon Sutter. So D prospect, cheap replacement and a lottery pick

 

[HoweHullOrr]

But the 2nd team is up for Toronto to work with.

SJS's only process before actually signing Marleau is a phone call from Patty's agent saying "if Patty agrees to be traded to be bought out, can he come back to SJS". TOR would give Patty permission to speak with SJS before hand, and perhaps prearrange a deal to be signed on July 1. That's hardly complicated. SJS has nothing to do with Toronto, and nothing to do with the team that would buy out Marleau, but purely dealing with one of the best players in their franchises history wanting to play one final season with them on a cheap deal signed in free agency.

Again, this is all just discussion, and Toronto needs firstly have the desire to get rid of Marleau, secondly find a team willing to buy him out and provide compensation for that, and likely, ensure that SJS is interested in a reunion.

Sounds like an expensive way (spending a bunch of $s on the buy out) for a low budget ($ restrained) team to buy a cap hit.

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

Not a bad idea at all... I agree with Hyman probably not being good post 30 and that his life with the leafs probably isnt very long term. But for the present what he brings is very valuable and is exactly what we lack... A guy who can be heavy downlow and really help keep the puck in the o zone for extended periods of time. Its definitely a tough choice though, and if AJ is willing to sign for 3 Million then it might be worth it to trade Hyman instead.

The other thing to consider is that we are probably going to try and get a top 4 d man back so trade value is kinda imporant, i think AJ and Kap probably have higher trade value than Hyman.

Yeah if it's in a trade for a d-man it's a bit of a different story. I think we would likely be adding to the cap in that case though (probably be something like Kap or AJ + ? for a 4M d-man) so we would need to cut corners elsewhere.

 

[stickty111]

The amount of certainty surrounding Marner's future with the team from certain posters is interesting

I'm firmly in the love the kid and really want to keep him camp but that doesn't blind me to certain realities

If he wants to be a big enough prick in negotiations or signs an offer-sheet he could force himself out of town, I don't think that's likely but it's not impossible

No one is above the team. My only untouchables are Matthews, Tavares, Rielly, and only Andersen because we don't have another goalie to replace him.

 

[Kiwi]

No one is above the team. My only untouchables are Matthews, Tavares, Rielly, and only Andersen because we don't have another goalie to replace him.

I can't say I've got any untouchables on the team

Obviously some guys would cost a lot more to aquire than others from my POV but if the deal makes sense I'd trade anybody

 

[HamiltonNHL]

assuming Trouba is willing to come here.

He wants to go to the US.

 

[hullsy47]

Let's hope not... but one of the forwards is going, we know that... at least I'd assume so, to fix the RHD.

Marner should be a keeper, but what happens if he wants more than Matthews? $12M.... do you keep him, or trade him?

any more than tkachuk or point I'd trade him
hell u can swap him for doughty after that or he is better right now than jack Hughes
20 teams could be in a bidding wa
hopefully mitch will take under 10 8

 

[notdoneyet]

Use common sense

Trouba is going to want 6-7 million a year

Which one of Tavares Matthews marner or nylander are you getting rid of


If not them then brown kadri kappy and johnsson have to go and then we deplete our depth.

We have enough space to sign marner

If we sign Trouba to 6 million that means we have to get that salary from somewhere

Take your pick one of the top 4 forwards or our depth

 

[DougGilmour93]

He wants to go to the US.

I heard somewhere along the line that Toronto would be close enough to the states...

 

[DougGilmour93]

Use common sense

Trouba is going to want 6-7 million a year

Which one of Tavares Matthews marner or nylander are you getting rid of


If not them then brown kadri kappy and johnsson have to go and then we deplete our depth.

We have enough space to sign marner

If we sign Trouba to 6 million that means we have to get that salary from somewhere

Take your pick one of the top 4 forwards or our depth

I would trade Nylander in an effort to bring in the likes of Trouba.
I understand that Winnipeg probably has no interest in Nylander, but perhaps Kadri +.

 

[pspot]

They should have trade nylander or let him sit

Matthews should be on a 3 year 9 or 10 mill contract

 

[Leaffan1991]

Kadri +Kapanen+ Borgman for

Trouba+Lowry

 

[deletethis]

If the GM is forced to deal an undeniably useful forward like Hyman making modest money for another couple of seasons, he's not doing this right. I doubt any team would be looking to acquire a support player who is spending the next 6 months rehabbing a rebuilt knee.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

They should have trade nylander or let him sit

My final offer for Nylander was 3 x 5 AAV.

Matthews should be on a 3 year 9 or 10 mill contract

Better than 5 x 11.6

 

[Nithoniniel]

Not sure how I feel about trading Hyman. He is probably valued around the league much more than what he's worth, given how relied upon he's been so far. And while I really like Hyman, I'm not sure it's entirely deserved. So this could be an opportunity to sell really high on a player who is not a core piece on this team.

On the other hand I value diversity in a team, and Hyman has qualities that I want to keep around. Like @JustAShadow said above, he's not the kind of piece you should move for cap reasons. If we dangled him and could catch a nice fish that could actually be more valuable for us, that's another thing entirely.