Free Agency and Trade Thread - Playoff Edition II

[socko]

I've watched him and would like him on the Leafs. Pesce and Slavin made a pretty good first pairing. Somebody even better of course would be nice, but those kind of defenders are rarely available and are pricey.

Having said that, I doubt if he's available. Trouba is another defender we talk about that probably isn't available either.

So here's a couple of Pesce lowlights from this year's playoffs.

In this first clip, Pesce loses his stick for no good reason and then he goes and screens his own goalie.



In this second clip, Pesce redirects a shot perfectly into the net, the only problem, it's his own net.



These are low IQ plays and that's what Pesce is to me, a low IQ depth defender.

 

[SprDaVE]

My guess its Brodie that exits and Andersson stays.

I would wager that as well, but it all depends on how desperate they are at bouncing back and maybe they don't want to get rid of the long-term veteran to keep the young player. We've seen that happen before.

 

[pspot]

marleau and lil for karlssons rights; sign for 8 * 8

 

[Cor]

The more I think about it, the more I think Kadri + Zaitsev for Trouba works as the base of a deal, assuming Trouba is willing to come here.

The Jets have 25M in cap space (assuming an 83M cap). Their current RFA's, minus Trouba, will likely combine for around 15-16M. Leaving them with 9-10M to fill 2 or 3 roster spots.

Kadri + Zaitsev in (plus, any picks or prospects needed) is 9M, add in another cheap player, and you've got yourself a 22 man roster under the cap.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

So here's a couple of Pesce lowlights from this year's playoffs.

These are low IQ plays and that's what Pesce is to me, a low IQ depth defender.

I've watched him a fair bit. You can always find a video where a player makes a mistake. Happens to all defenders. Cue Jake Gardiner. Doesn't mean much.

We can always hope for a better defender, but they are rarely available.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I would wager that as well, but it all depends on how desperate they are at bouncing back and maybe they don't want to get rid of the long-term veteran to keep the young player. We've seen that happen before.

Possibly, but they also have their own cap issues, so they're going to move some players.

 

[kb]

The more I think about it, the more I think Kadri + Zaitsev for Trouba works as the base of a deal, assuming Trouba is willing to come here.

The Jets have 25M in cap space (assuming an 83M cap). Their current RFA's, minus Trouba, will likely combine for around 15-16M. Leaving them with 9-10M to fill 2 or 3 roster spots.

Kadri + Zaitsev in (plus, any picks or prospects needed) is 9M, add in another cheap player, and you've got yourself a 22 man roster under the cap.

Laine and Connor are going to be $17 million at least, plus Beaulieu. So $6-7 million left roughly with 17 players signed, and that is excluding both Trouba and Myers. They are in a world of hurt.

 

[WTFMAN99]

You’re right but there is one huge glaring issue with Kadri you forgot to mention.

He doesn’t play post season. He screwed the team two years in a row. We need to move on from selfish players. Unless you don’t believe this is a playoff team.

Only if we're given a proper return.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

marleau and lil for karlssons rights; sign for 8 * 8

Sharks have their own cap problems. They have 7 UFAs & 4 RFAs to sign with 8 roster spots to fill, and $24.7 m to do it.

San Jose Sharks - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Doubt if Marleau's cap hit is part of their plan. Then there's the NMC.

I think we can scratch the idea of charitable solutions from other clubs.

 

[Rielly4]

How about Vegas? Their cap issues are insane and people here think we can get their cheap top 4 d man C.Miller when they are short on defenseman and have to try and acquire more while having zero cap space.

 

[BertCorbeau]

The more I think about it, the more I think Kadri + Zaitsev for Trouba works as the base of a deal, assuming Trouba is willing to come here.

The Jets have 25M in cap space (assuming an 83M cap). Their current RFA's, minus Trouba, will likely combine for around 15-16M. Leaving them with 9-10M to fill 2 or 3 roster spots.

Kadri + Zaitsev in (plus, any picks or prospects needed) is 9M, add in another cheap player, and you've got yourself a 22 man roster under the cap.

So I'm not totally crazy being the only one who thinks this

 

[WTFMAN99]

So I'm not totally crazy being the only one who thinks this

All depends on his willingness to stay here if he arrives in a trade.

Leafs might have to offer an additional piece to beat out other offers. HF Boards is tough to figure out trade values.

 

[LeafChief]

If I'm the Jets, Kadri+Zaitsev doesn't get it done for Trouba.

 

[Rare Jewel]

The more I think about it, the more I think Kadri + Zaitsev for Trouba works as the base of a deal, assuming Trouba is willing to come here.

The Jets have 25M in cap space (assuming an 83M cap). Their current RFA's, minus Trouba, will likely combine for around 15-16M. Leaving them with 9-10M to fill 2 or 3 roster spots.

Kadri + Zaitsev in (plus, any picks or prospects needed) is 9M, add in another cheap player, and you've got yourself a 22 man roster under the cap.

What are we doing for a 3rd C?

Also $9-10m isn't likely enough to get Laine and Connor done for them.

 

[Menzinger]

Kadri for Trouba would be a dream, though they'd need to move salary to situate it.

 

[Menzinger]

What are we doing for a 3rd C?

Also $9-10m isn't likely enough to get Laine and Connor done for them.

Nylander, or more ideally move Kapanen/AJ/Bracco for one that fits the Leafs cap structure

 

[HolyCrap]

Only if we're given a proper return.

That’s fair and I agree. If the offers are not fair before the season then hopefully he raises his value throughout the season before TDL. Or maybe management gets the feeling he’s changed and won’t be selfish.

 

[WTFMAN99]

That’s fair and I agree. If the offers are not fair before the season then hopefully he raises his value throughout the season before TDL. Or maybe management gets the feeling he’s changed and won’t be selfish.

Kadri was owning his match up in the Boston series which makes him so valuable. It would be hard to find a trade where we get back a replacement 3C and then some additional assets that help us and on top of it, lower salary.

I don't want to give him away but any roster is fair game if the trade makes us better and gets us closer to a Cup.

 

[HolyCrap]

Kadri was owning his match up in the Boston series which makes him so valuable. It would be hard to find a trade where we get back a replacement 3C and then some additional assets that help us and on top of it, lower salary.

I don't want to give him away but any roster is fair game if the trade makes us better and gets us closer to a Cup.

Absolutely. Kadri was owning it yet took himself out with the same suspension as the prior playoffs. We lost that series due to Kadri. I know he would be hard to replace but a lot of us fans are just tired of Kadri and want to move on.

I get what you’re saying though.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Nylander, or more ideally move Kapanen/AJ/Bracco for one that fits the Leafs cap structure

I don't mind Nylander at C, but he's probably more valuable with Matthews.

Finding a C that fits and then moving him for a winger and not taking too much of hit on the value could be difficult.

 

[Erndog]

What are we doing for a 3rd C?

Also $9-10m isn't likely enough to get Laine and Connor done for them.

Copp and Trouba for Kadri, Zaitsev and a 2nd

Copp plays 3C?

Just spit ballin

 

[aingefan]

Copp and Trouba for Kadri, Zaitsev and a 2nd

Copp plays 3C?

Just spit ballin

If he can lay down the law in the 3c role, I’m in.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Copp and Trouba for Kadri, Zaitsev and a 2nd

Copp plays 3C?

Just spit ballin

Maybe.

I not moving this years 2nd though. I'm not sure I'd add a pick actually.

 

[aingefan]

Nylander, or more ideally move Kapanen/AJ/Bracco for one that fits the Leafs cap structure

I don’t think the cap structure and lines need to be hierarchical necessarily. It just depends on how you want to roll it out.
I like Willy as a 3rd line C, because I believe he can drive a line, and make complimentary guys better.
Naz can do the same thing.
The way I see it, you can roll three balanced scoring lines driven by AM, JT/MM, WN with Naz moved, or keep WN with AM and use the 3rd line in a more conventional agitating/complimentary/development way.
That’s the best part about having WM imo...creates lots of flexibility. Which is good, given the snug nature of the current cap situation where somethings gotta give.

 

[Cor]

What are we doing for a 3rd C?

Also $9-10m isn't likely enough to get Laine and Connor done for them.

I have Connor and Laine taking up about 12-13M (I think Laine may sign a bridge, given his performance) and the other rfa's taking up about 3-4M.

(Laine's 1 year deal projection is 5.6M - Connor projected at 6x6.9 - total of 12.5M)

For us, I run Matthews-Tavares-Nylander down the middle in the top 9, with a mix of Hyman, Marner, Johnsson, Kapanen, Moore, Bracco, Mikheyev, Korshkov in the top 9. (6 spots, 8 names, in case Johnsson or Kappy price themselves out, or Bracco/Mikheyev/Korshkov don't preform, etc)