Free Agency and Trade Thread - Playoff Edition II

[Stephen]

Some Avs posters on the mainboards are interested in an Erik Johnson for Kadri swap with the Avs also taking Marleau (obviously, Marleau and Johnson would both need to waive).

Problem with Johnson is he's signed for way too long. He's kind of a Dion Phaneuf, isn't he?

 

[WTFMAN99]

I won't go on a huge back and forth with you because i'm not here to get into a big pissing match but NO..

Josh Andersons value is way higher then Nylander. Josh brings a game that very very few in the NHL are able to bring.

Finished 19th in hits with 214. Only 2 players in the top 50 of hits last season had more points then him, Ovie (223 hits) and E.Kane (173 hits)

Had 27 goals to Nylanders 7 (even the year before Nylander had 20).

Josh was a +25 last year and had 40 blocked shots.

Josh is a true 2 way player, he gets into the corner to get the puck and is the first player back to break up an odd man rush. You would be lucky is Nylander glided back into his zone.

Long story short, you take a player like JA into the playoffs over WN.

As soon as it looked like Chara might have to take 1-2 punches he went for the take down.

 

[WTFMAN99]

$6m is too steep for me. As is 5 years.

6M by next year isn't much. I think you're going to have to get a bit out of your comfort zone if we're keeping Muzzin around.

 

[rumman]

Well I dont have anyway of seeing the future (as a reminder neither can you).

The guy is also only 30 years old, I doubt there would be a major regression on his current abilities until he starts heading past 35. And the Leafs have a fairly substantial sports sciences group that can help determine what the risks are for his physical abilities when weighing if they're fine offering an extension..

Imo its simply nonsensical to compare resigning a 31 year old to Marleau whose first year with the team was at 37 years old

when Marleau signed he was still a first rate NHL skater, Muzzin isn't and his skating will be the 1st thing to go, not sure if you know what happens when a D man loses that step, but it usually isn't a good outcome.

 

[hockeynorth]

I agree I think a Muzzin deal would bite us in the second half but a 3-5 year deal at 6-4.5 depending on term I could get behind, obviously 6x3 and decreasing each year added. No NMC either just in case we need him gone in the expansion draft

 

[WTFMAN99]

when Marleau signed he was still a first rate NHL skater, Muzzin isn't and his skating will be the 1st thing to go, not sure if you know what happens when a D man loses that step, but it usually isn't a good outcome.

I agree I think a Muzzin deal would bite us in the second half but a 3-5 year deal at 6-4.5 depending on term I could get behind, obviously 6x3 and decreasing each year added. No NMC either just in case we need him gone in the expansion draft

I'd probably up the AAV in exchange for less term.

6M is something he can easily get in free agency. I would give him 3 years at that rate, by the time he is going out the door, Sandin is stepping in.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Nylander for Subban At 7.5 million
Brown, AJ for Crouse, Richardson
Kadri, Zaitsev for Faksa, Johns

Hyman Tavares Marner
Crouse Matthews Bracco
Moore Faksa Kapanen
Marleau Richardson Mik(Russian)
Gauthier

Rielly Subban
Muzzin Johns
Rosen Dermott

 

[WTFMAN99]

Nylander for Subban At 7.5 million
Brown, AJ for Crouse, Richardson
Kadri, Zaitsev for Faksa, Johns

Hyman Tavares Marner
Crouse Matthews Bracco
Moore Faksa Kapanen
Marleau Richardson Mik(Russian)
Gauthier

Rielly Subban
Muzzin Johns
Rosen Dermott

Just some things to keep in mind

Brown and AJ are worth (way) more than Crouse and Richardson. Crouse's production in his career does not suggest he can help in a scoring role.

Johns may never play again, he is dealing with post concussion syndrome.

 

[DougGilmour93]

Kadri + Timashov + Holl + Sparks

For

Haula + Miller + Subban

Vegas gets cost certainty with Kadri locked up (longer than Haula). They unload Miller and his cap hit (although respectable) as he spent a fair amount of time (towards the end of the year) in the doghouse. They also get cheap talent in Timashov/Holl/Sparks ( the latter needing a change of scenery).

Toronto gets a cheaper 3c. They also acquire a RHD, they’ve been needing. IMO, we still need a crease clearing, body banging RHD.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Just some things to keep in mind

Brown and AJ are worth (way) more than Crouse and Richardson. Crouse's production in his career does not suggest he can help in a scoring role.

Johns may never play again, he is dealing with post concussion syndrome.

I think Crouse could become a solid 20 goal scorer who PKs and is very physical something the leafs lack.
Richardson would be a really good 4th line Center but maybe a second round pick could be included.

I didn’t know that about Johns, too bad..

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think Crouse could become a solid 20 goal scorer who PKs and is very physical something the leafs lack.
Richardson would be a really good 4th line Center but maybe a second round pick could be included.

I didn’t know that about Johns, too bad..

I am all about getting a guy (usually power forward types) before they break out. I am not as optimistic on a guy like Crouse. I think you might get a 3rd line guy there. I would be willing to bet on Nick Ritchie moreso, think he has it in him. Once these types break out, value is through the roof. Josh Anderson acquisition cost is through the roof right now.

 

[kb]

Kadri + Timashov + Holl + Sparks

For

Haula + Miller + Subban

Vegas gets cost certainty with Kadri locked up (longer than Haula). They unload Miller and his cap hit (although respectable) as he spent a fair amount of time (towards the end of the year) in the doghouse. They also get cheap talent in Timashov/Holl/Sparks ( the latter needing a change of scenery).

Toronto gets a cheaper 3c. They also acquire a RHD, they’ve been needing. IMO, we still need a crease clearing, body banging RHD.

How about this?

Kadri + Nylander + Holl/Rosen + Timashov + 2nd (2020) (Total cap hit $12.1 million for the first 3)

for

David Savard + Boone Jenner + Josh Anderson @ 40% (Total cap hit $9.1 million)

Savard and Jenner both take the body, both have size, and both PK. Saves the Leafs $3 million against the cap, which - when coupled to Horton's LTIR room - gives them about $17.1 million to sign Marner, KK, AJ, and #6/7 D. Very tight, but doable. If not, trade one of AJ, CB, or KK for an NHL ready prospect at the same position if need be.

And would address the size, grit and tenacity issues.

Johnsson - Matthews - Kapanen
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Jenner - Anderson
Moore - Goat/Engvall/UFA - Brown

Rielly - Savard (no, I don't think hes top pair, but he's better than Hainsey)
Muzzin - Zaitsev
Dermott - Hainsey (@ 1.2)
#7 ($700k)

Anderson
4x6 sheet of plywood.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

6M by next year isn't much. I think you're going to have to get a bit out of your comfort zone if we're keeping Muzzin around.

Ya, probably going to be a lot of the "out of the comfort zone" phenomena happening if we really want to land or sign those good defenders.

a) Good + b) cheap -> pick one.

 

[DougGilmour93]

How about this?

Kadri + Nylander + Holl/Rosen + Timashov + 2nd (2020) (Total cap hit $12.1 million for the first 3)

for

David Savard + Boone Jenner + Josh Anderson @ 40% (Total cap hit $9.1 million)

Savard and Jenner both take the body, both have size, and both PK. Saves the Leafs $3 million against the cap, which - when coupled to Horton's LTIR room - gives them about $17.1 million to sign Marner, KK, AJ, and #6/7 D. Very tight, but doable. If not, trade one of AJ, CB, or KK for an NHL ready prospect at the same position if need be.

And would address the size, grit and tenacity issues.

Johnsson - Matthews - Kapanen
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Jenner - Anderson
Moore - Goat/Engvall/UFA - Brown

Rielly - Savard (no, I don't think hes top pair, but he's better than Hainsey)
Muzzin - Zaitsev
Dermott - Hainsey (@ 1.2)
#7 ($700k)

Anderson
4x6 sheet of plywood.

At first glance I believe we give up too much.
I like the idea of Jenner and Anderson, but I doubt Anderson is available. Columbus seems to really love him.

 

[rumman]

At first glance I believe we give up too much.
I like the idea of Jenner and Anderson, it I doubt Anderson is available. Columbus seems to really love him.

just like Pesce, it's too late to obtain these players, JA was in Tort's doghouse early last year, that was the buy low window, now he's probably not available even for a over payment.

 

[Cor]

Some Avs posters on the mainboards are interested in an Erik Johnson for Kadri swap with the Avs also taking Marleau (obviously, Marleau and Johnson would both need to waive).

Yeah I bet they are

We gain 3 additional years at .25M less, and we gift them Kadri.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Looks like we've discovered Josh Anderson recently. Doubt we get him either for a bunch of our spare parts.

 

[Cor]

I wonder if we dealt Kadri, whether we could nab Dvorak out of ARI.

Probably unpopular, but I’ve always liked him as a player.

 

[kb]

Looks like we've discovered Josh Anderson recently. Doubt we get him either for a bunch of our spare parts.

I wouldn't call Kadri and Nylander spare parts. Especially seeing how Nylander is playing with Wennberg at the WC's? That has a very real possibility of going off the rails sideways for the Leafs.

But, for the record, I would definitely add more if needed.

Breakdown of the trade is like this

Kadri for Savard

Nylander, Timashov, Holl/Rosen, plus a 2nd for Jenner and Anderson.

It's a lot, but I think it makes sense when you see that Columbus has no youth, very few draft picks in the next 2 years, and is clearly in need of younger scoring help and draft picks.

 

[Stigma]

Looks like we've discovered Josh Anderson recently. Doubt we get him either for a bunch of our spare parts.

Josh Anderson is the new Brett Pesce.

 

[Menzinger]

Josh Anderson is the new Brett Pesce.

Every few months focus seem to fixate on a different player who will likely never see the trade market

 

[Menzinger]

when Marleau signed he was still a first rate NHL skater, Muzzin isn't and his skating will be the 1st thing to go, not sure if you know what happens when a D man loses that step, but it usually isn't a good outcome.

Muzzin's game isnt based on wuxij skating, it's more about making smart plays with the puck. Hainsey does this (though obviously nowhere near as well as Muzzin) and his game hasn't suffered as much as he gets older.

 

[LeafChief]

Yeah I bet they are

We gain 3 additional years at .25M less, and we gift them Kadri.

And we move Marleau's contract which would alleviate pretty much all cap issues while obtaining a top 4 RHD.

 

[Cor]

And we move Marleau's contract which would alleviate pretty much all cap issues while obtaining a top 4 RHD.

It doesn't alleviate anything.

We take on a 6M contract for 3 more years than Marleau's.

We should just straight up trade Kadri and we'd get the same amount of cap space out of it.

 

[rumman]

Josh Anderson is the new Brett Pesce.

yup.......highly competent players who would add huge value to the Leaf yet are scoffed at because they just aren't sexy enough for most of Leaf Nation.