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XXIV97 said:
The rumoured deal from Chis Johnson was Brown for Benning.
Top 9 forward for Top 6 D
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I think a better description would be bottom six utility player for bottom pairing d-man.

I'm going to guess that Brown goes for an asset that can help us acquire Colin Miller. I wouldn't mind going into next season with:

Muzzin-Rielly
Dermott-Miller
Rosén-Liljegren
 
Colin Miller is reportedly on the block with VGK looking to shed salary.

Great analytics and a former Soo Greyhound.
 
Blueboy said:
Colin Miller is reportedly on the block with VGK looking to shed salary.

Great analytics and a former Soo Greyhound.
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If that's true, I will say there's a strong chance it happens. Leafs were linked to him pre expansion draft and fits what we need.
 
SprDaVE said:
If that's true, I will say there's a strong chance it happens. Leafs were linked to him pre expansion draft and fits what we need.
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I hope it happens, really don’t know what the Leafs would send their way and I’d have to imagine Zaitsev would be traded in another deal.

I imagine Zaitsev + Brown are moved for futures. Zaitsev to Vancouver and Brown to Edmonton. Those futures could then hopefully be enough to acquire C.Miller.
 
Blueboy said:
I hope it happens, really don’t know what the Leafs would send their way and I’d have to imagine Zaitsev would be traded in another deal.

I imagine Zaitsev + Brown are moved for futures. Zaitsev to Vancouver and Brown to Edmonton. Those futures could then hopefully be enough to acquire C.Miller.
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I agree there’d need to be some money shifting around, for sure.
But I’d have to think the purpose of adding Miller would be to enhance depth on the R side. Not sure it makes sense to move Zaitsev.
I’m all for the addition though. Seems a natural fit. I’d think pairings could end up quite fluid, mix and match style. Similar to how Babs tried different pairings at the end of the year.
Reilly, Muzzin, and Dermott with Rosen mixed in on the left side.
Miller, Zaitsev and Lili on the right, with Dermott (and maybe Rosen mixed in, both have played their off-side.) I’d still prefer more development time for Lili though.
I think it’s most likely that forwards are purged for assets and cap space, since they’re a bit easier to find and there are already enough line drivers in house. Brown likely, Kadri probable, and one of Kap/AJ possible.
 
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I'd be into trying to land Miller but I would want to see Zaitsev moved as well .. Zaitsev signed for 5 more years is a bit of a risk given what we've seen and he's easier to move by July 1st. Plus it seems like teams might be interested in him and he's not a pure salary dump.

And then re-sign Hainsey for 1 more year.
 
Blueboy said:
Colin Miller is reportedly on the block with VGK looking to shed salary.

Great analytics and a former Soo Greyhound.
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I still think he is overrated, but of course Dubas would probably love him.

He's never going to be able to handle the type of defensive role we will need him to handle, and I'd rather not pay to give him offensive opportunities when we can just as easily give them to Dermott when he comes back, or even Rosen, Muzzin or Liljegren.
 
BertCorbeau said:
I'd be into trying to land Miller but I would want to see Zaitsev moved as well .. Zaitsev signed for 5 more years is a bit of a risk given what we've seen and he's easier to move by July 1st. Plus it seems like teams might be interested in him and he's not a pure salary dump.

And then re-sign Hainsey for 1 more year.
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Rielly-X
Muzzin-Miller
Dermott-X (Hainsey?)
Rosen

Would be improved. I think Liljegren needs another year in the AHL, we still have that hole beside Rielly and don't think Miller is the guy to fill it.
 
LeBrun: Predators GM David Poile won't sit on his hands this...
I think what’s rather clear, in whatever shape it may come, is that the Preds need more zest up front, a rather obvious assertion that Poile didn’t dismiss.

“No that’s fair,” he said. “I think we need to get more secondary scoring, our power play was 31st in the league; that let us down big time. A combination of either of those and they’re probably a little related to each other, a little improvement in that area helps make some things that are wrong with our team very right quickly. Having said that, we have to do things to fix that. Whether that’s in the systems played to execute to create more offense or whether it’s player changes.’’
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The point here is that while people are fixated on Subban because of his salary, and the potential return based on his talent, there are other ways for the Predators to improve their roster.
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Heck, he could end up moving Craig Smith or Mikael Granlund or Nick Bonino or Kyle Turris, there’s a rather long list of possibilities based on how the market shapes up.

Poile just might end up surprising us, which he has shown no fear in doing in the past.

What he won’t do is sit on his hands. To keep the window to win open, he’s got to make a splash.
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WTFMAN99 said:
Rielly-X
Muzzin-Miller
Dermott-X (Hainsey?)
Rosen

Would be improved. I think Liljegren needs another year in the AHL, we still have that hole beside Rielly and don't think Miller is the guy to fill it.
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Zaitsev would probably do a good job since his defense has improved a lot since his first year. His production would probably go way up since he would be away from Gardiner as well.

If Dermott plays his off side, then I don't think Miller gets a chance. Dermott likely becomes a similar, if not better, version of Miller so that right shot is the only thing that really makes him appealing to the Leafs.

Rielly-Zaitsev/Trade
Muzzin-Dermott
Rosen-Liljegren/Hainsey
Borgman-Holl

Is how I think it goes down. I like Liljegren enough to start him in the NHL and then signing a good insurance policy for the AHL, but there is a certain salary where it makes sense to bring back Hainsey.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
Zaitsev would probably do a good job since his defense has improved a lot since his first year. His production would probably go way up since he would be away from Gardiner as well.

If Dermott plays his off side, then I don't think Miller gets a chance. Dermott likely becomes a similar, if not better, version of Miller so that right shot is the only thing that really makes him appealing to the Leafs.

Rielly-Zaitsev/Trade
Muzzin-Dermott
Rosen-Liljegren/Hainsey
Borgman-Holl

Is how I think it goes down. I like Liljegren enough to start him in the NHL and then signing a good insurance policy for the AHL, but there is a certain salary where it makes sense to bring back Hainsey.
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I'd bring back Hainsey for 1 year at 1.5M, anything beyond that and I don't think we can really afford him unless some unexpeted moves happen.

I'm in the camp of move Zaitsev pretty much no matter what.

I'd plan on Lily being down there but wouldn't hold him back if he earns it in training camp.
 
XXIV97 said:
The rumoured deal from Chis Johnson was Brown for Benning.
Top 9 forward for Top 6 D
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Brown + Petan for Kassian (50% - 975K) + Benning (50% - 950K)

Brown is the best player in the deal. The Leafs can't afford Benning and Kassian at full price. But, retained helps them fit in 2 depth pieces that fit into positions of need. Kassian helps with the issue of team toughness and Benning fills a hole at 3RD if the defense comes back minus the FA's. This move helps fill holes, while shedding cap necessary for other players. It costs Edmonton 1.925M in retention dead space for one year. Petan stands a chance on an ugly forward unit.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
I'd bring back Hainsey for 1 year at 1.5M, anything beyond that and I don't think we can really afford him unless some unexpeted moves happen.

I'm in the camp of move Zaitsev pretty much no matter what.

I'd plan on Lily being down there but wouldn't hold him back if he earns it in training camp.
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The only way to bring Hainsey back is with the assumption that he won't be available in the playoffs IMO. Watching Marleau go from a competent middle-6 winger to barely NHL caliber in a span of months is hopefully enough of a wakeup call to the people expecting 40 year olds to survive an 82 game grind.

If a 3rd pairing role keeps him fresh for the playoffs, great. We can't expect that to be the case though, we'll need a strong #7 that can reliably eat PK minutes. I don't know if we can do both Hainsey at 1.5 and a more expensive #7.
 
Martin Skoula said:
The only way to bring Hainsey back is with the assumption that he won't be available in the playoffs IMO. Watching Marleau go from a competent middle-6 winger to barely NHL caliber in a span of months is hopefully enough of a wakeup call to the people expecting 40 year olds to survive an 82 game grind.

If a 3rd pairing role keeps him fresh for the playoffs, great. We can't expect that to be the case though, we'll need a strong #7 that can reliably eat PK minutes. I don't know if we can do both Hainsey at 1.5 and a more expensive #7.
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If Rosen was the #7, that wouldn't be the worst. Maybe give Hainsey every 3rd or 4th game off. Can't play top pairing either.
 
justafan22 said:
Subban/Ellis aren't fits unless Zaitsev is going back.
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Yeah hopefully we can make it happen. This would look pretty great, IMO :

Rielly - Ellis/Subban
Muzzin - X
Dermott - Liljegren

Could slot Dermott in with Muzzin and then put Rosen in Dermott's spot. I'd rather Ellis based on the salary but PK would be a big boost as well.
 
This morning Team 1040 was discussing the Canucks offersheeting Kapanen and how the Leafs would easily match. Then suggesting a trade of Marleau and Kapanen for Virtanen.
 
Off-Season Trade Ideas (Toronto Maple Leafs Musings: Offseason trade ideas & a look at what's coming on the Marlies)

I’m the president of the Colin Miller fan club. Given Toronto’s lack of depth in terms of right-shooting defensemen, he should be their top target.
I see Miller as one of the most underrated players in hockey with a perfectly-reasonable $3.875 million cap hit. He’s one year removed from a 41 point season and is young enough to extend beyond his current three-year contract.
Vegas, who have cap issues of their own, could be interested in cheap young talent like Trevor Moore or Jeremy Bracco. The Leafs could also part ways with their 2020 2nd round pick or one of their goalie prospects in Joseph Woll or Ian Scott.

Another team that is worth calling is the Minnesota Wild, as the Nino Niederreiter for Viktor Rask trade showcased some questionable player-evaluation methods. Jared Spurgeon is an established and effective top-pairing defenceman and the Wild are not likely to contend during the final year of his contract. I assume that the Leafs would happily make Johnsson available in that type of move, but Greg Pateryn could represent a much-cheaper alternative.

Another type of move that might be worth exploring would resemble the Jonathan Drouin for Mikhail Sergachev trade. The Lightning were tight up against the cap and traded certainty in exchange for a younger player on an entry-level contract. The Leafs could entertain offers for either Johnsson or Kasperi Kapanen while targetting young defenders like Dante Fabbro or Rasmus Andersson.
Connor Brown still seems like a near-lock to get dealt as the Leafs simply can’t afford the luxury of having a $2.1 million player on their fourth line. The other big name to watch for is, of course, Nikita Zaitsev, as the Leafs could certainly use an extra $4.5 million to make improvements elsewhere. His strong playoff performance should help to boost his trade value, so I’d be calling teams like the Canucks, Senators, Ducks, Jets, Stars, Wild, and Islanders to try to dump that contract.
Zaitsev is owed a $3 million signing bonus as part of his $4.5 total salary next season, but his 10-team no-trade list will also be kicking in. If the Leafs pay the signing bonus, the other team could have him for five years at $3.9 million per year. At the very least, it’s something to watch for.
 
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Tyler Myers is looking great with team canada

Wonder how much it would take to sign him

We have to keep Marleau and Nylander

So trade Johnsson brown and Kadri for picks

Use those picks try to improve defence
Or restock cupboards

Marleau Matthews Bracco
Hyman Tavares Marner
Moore Nylander Kapanen

Rielly Myers
Muzzin Dermott
Rosen xxx
Xxx
 
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