2024-25 San Diego Gulls/Tulsa Oilers

[Mr Rogers]

Very much the same going on with the Gulls in terms of very little offense occurring. Even if the guys currently on the Ducks figure it out (McT, Leo, Zegs), Sennecke is the only forward we have coming up with big scoring potential so we're gonna still need to acquire depth scoring somehow. Drafting/development of forwards has just been so disappointing.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Sorry, but I must disagree a little bit. It's quite a big problem, that veterans Ryan Carpenter (captain) and Pavol Regenda are not scoring enough. When Meyer has played / been healthy, he has been decent.

Jan Mysak is a hard working guy and skates (and defends) well, but if he is your best scoring center, you have a problem. He is not a playmaker or a creative player.

I really hope that Ducks could send Harkins back to San Diego. At this moment Gulls' team structure (is that right word? team hierarchy?) is so bad. There is no 1st line center, borderline 2nd line veteran (Carpenter) and defensiveminded 3dr/4th -liners Mysak/Gauncher/Lopina.

You are reiterating the point of me starting off with, "the roster is crap and an afterthought by GM Verbeek".

We don't possess enough NHL fringe players to keep some of our top prospects in the AHL such as Zell last year and Colangelo this year. OTOH, Helleson looking good at the NHL level, but meh in the AHL level shows concern about our AHL coaching and development.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Hopefully that speaks to Gaucher having some underlying value as a center, that hasn't necessarily shown in his personal statistics at the AHL level. As far as a bottom six center goes, if they are doing all the little things to elevate their wingers or line as a whole, that's far more important than offensive numbers

The problem is Gaucher doesn't show up on the scoresheet often unless it's Caulfield playing next to him. This has been going on for two seasons. Throw any scoring winger with Gaucher-Caulfield and points will appear. Last year, the wingers were Tracey and Pastujov. This year, it's Sidorov and possibly Myatovic. I think last night was Myatovic's first game with the duo?

Caulfield could be that glue gem in the making and find that niche in the bottom-6.

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

Very much the same going on with the Gulls in terms of very little offense occurring. Even if the guys currently on the Ducks figure it out (McT, Leo, Zegs), Sennecke is the only forward we have coming up with big scoring potential so we're gonna still need to acquire depth scoring somehow. Drafting/development of forwards has just been so disappointing.

San Diego's goal scoring is middle of the pack, they're getting killed by goaltending - both goalies are sub .900.

 

[Vino]

You are reiterating the point of me starting off with, "the roster is crap and an afterthought by GM Verbeek".

We don't possess enough NHL fringe players to keep some of our top prospects in the AHL such as Zell last year and Colangelo this year. OTOH, Helleson looking good at the NHL level, but meh in the AHL level shows concern about our AHL coaching and development.

You wrote: "The few vets we have had, they tend to produce well." In my mind veterans don't tend to produce well and that's the problem. And the roster is not crap, it's mostly okei and I like some kids quite a lot (Hinds, Sidorov, Myatovic. Luneau and Pastujov lately).

 

[WhatTheDuck]

The problem is Gaucher doesn't show up on the scoresheet often unless it's Caulfield playing next to him. This has been going on for two seasons. Throw any scoring winger with Gaucher-Caulfield and points will appear. Last year, the wingers were Tracey and Pastujov. This year, it's Sidorov and possibly Myatovic. I think last night was Myatovic's first game with the duo?

Caulfield could be that glue gem in the making and find that niche in the bottom-6.

Caulfield has size and grit, if he's making plays at the AHL level, maybe they should give him the chance to prove he's at least more deserving of a role than Johnston.

 

[Mr Rogers]

San Diego's goal scoring is middle of the pack, they're getting killed by goaltending - both goalies are sub .900.

I mean of the young guys, Nobody is really popping to where you’re like wow this guy could become a legit contributor. Colangelo is the only one maybe and he’s with the team.

 

[McDonald19]

Caulfield has size and grit, if he's making plays at the AHL level, maybe they should give him the chance to prove he's at least more deserving of a role than Johnston.

Different role. Johnston is a healthy scratch heavy weight enforcer. How about Caulfield in Leason’s role?

 

[mightyquack]

Gaucher is definitely the biggest impact on that line if you have been watching San Diego games this season. That's not to take anything away from Caufield, but Gaucher is the one that is first on the forecheck and is applying the pressure and pretty much setting the tone for the line, while Caufield is typically more around the front of the net.

I said near the start of the season I could see Caufield as a 4th line / 13th forward at the NHL level in the future (granted more likely to be an AHL lifer). His big problem is his puck skills are not great at the AHL level, let alone the NHL level. He needs to improve on that for me, maybe a small cup of coffee at the end of the season as a 4th line energy forward but there is no way he can replace a player like Leason at the NHL level right now, in terms of I don't see him capable of playing 13+ minutes a night effectively.

Myatovic has 5 points in 7 games since being put with Gaucher/Caufield. I have missed a couple of games (the Tuscon series) but he was with Gaucher/Caufield since the Barracuda game at the start of the year and I don't believe he's been moved off that line since from the games I've watched. It's good to see him producing, but maybe not a surprise as the third forward has produced very well on that line all season (Sidorov was the same).

Carpenter/Nesterenko/Regenda are the three biggest disappointments so far for me. Especially Carpenter who is one of the worst vet forwards the Gulls have had in the last few years.

Very much the same going on with the Gulls in terms of very little offense occurring. Even if the guys currently on the Ducks figure it out (McT, Leo, Zegs), Sennecke is the only forward we have coming up with big scoring potential so we're gonna still need to acquire depth scoring somehow. Drafting/development of forwards has just been so disappointing.

Sidorov, Pasta, Colangelo all have potential to be middle six forwards at the NHL level. It's not quite as glum as the picture being painted IMO.

Pasta himself has taken a big step forward (even if the production wasn't as high) in terms of his skating and ability to separate from defenders which is a huge sign as his hands aren't the issue.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Gaucher is definitely the biggest impact on that line if you have been watching San Diego games this season. That's not to take anything away from Caufield, but Gaucher is the one that is first on the forecheck and is applying the pressure and pretty much setting the tone for the line, while Caufield is typically more around the front of the net.

I said near the start of the season I could see Caufield as a 4th line / 13th forward at the NHL level in the future (granted more likely to be an AHL lifer). His big problem is his puck skills are not great at the AHL level, let alone the NHL level. He needs to improve on that for me, maybe a small cup of coffee at the end of the season as a 4th line energy forward but there is no way he can replace a player like Leason at the NHL level right now, in terms of I don't see him capable of playing 13+ minutes a night effectively.

Myatovic has 5 points in 7 games since being put with Gaucher/Caufield. I have missed a couple of games (the Tuscon series) but he was with Gaucher/Caufield since the Barracuda game at the start of the year and I don't believe he's been moved off that line since from the games I've watched. It's good to see him producing, but maybe not a surprise as the third forward has produced very well on that line all season (Sidorov was the same).

Carpenter/Nesterenko/Regenda are the three biggest disappointments so far for me. Especially Carpenter who is one of the worst vet forwards the Gulls have had in the last few years.


Sidorov, Pasta, Colangelo all have potential to be middle six forwards at the NHL level. It's not quite as glum as the picture being painted IMO.

Pasta himself has taken a big step forward (even if the production wasn't as high) in terms of his skating and ability to separate from defenders which is a huge sign as his hands aren't the issue.

I mentioned Colangelo in a separate post and see him as a contributor (but not a big scorer). Sidorov is a maybe and Pasta is a long shot imo.

Also said big scoring potential and not middle 6.

 

[mightyquack]

I mentioned Colangelo in a separate post and see him as a contributor (but not a big scorer). Sidorov is a maybe and Pasta is a long shot imo.

Also said big scoring potential and not middle 6.

Carlsson, Zegras, McTavish, Gauthier plus Terry already in the NHL, throw in Sennecke......if we can't find enough big scorers out of that, this rebuild is cooked anyway no matter what happens. We have our big scoring potential forwards, we need them to figure it out. That's probably as many young forwards that are seen as potential big contributors as any team in the NHL, it's only strange that so many are already in the NHL.

You also said we need to get depth scoring from somewhere, hence highlighting the potential depth scoring we could have.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Carlsson, Zegras, McTavish, Gauthier plus Terry already in the NHL, throw in Sennecke......if we can't find enough big scorers out of that, this rebuild is cooked anyway no matter what happens. We have our big scoring potential forwards, we need them to figure it out.

You also said we need to get depth scoring from somewhere, hence highlighting the potential depth scoring we could have.

I guess I just see them as somewhatlongshots to be depth contributors even, maybe less so for Colangelo. They may have potential to be, sure, but it’s a long way off and for me at least their production hasn’t been terribly impressive. Pasta should be producing like he is given his age. Hopefully a late bloomer but I’m not holding my breath at all.

 

[mightyquack]

I guess I just see them as somewhatlongshots to be depth contributors even, maybe less so for Colangelo. They may have potential to be, sure, but it’s a long way off and for me at least their production hasn’t been terribly impressive. Pasta should be producing like he is given his age. Hopefully a late bloomer but I’m not holding my breath at all.

Sidorov is 10th among U21 AHL forwards in points and 8th in goals in his debut AHL season, that's pretty impressive considering he's rubbing shoulders with several 1st/2nd round picks of a similar age group. He's also has looked very noticeable on the ice with his skills, not many cheap points accumulated. For a 20 year old in their first pro season that's pretty good.

Pasta has never had an issue with skill at the AHL level, it's just been skating (especially edge skating), that's taken a step forward this year when you watch Gulls games, so it's not a surprise his production has jumped (after a pretty solid rookie season). But we may just have different expectations, if the expectation for a 21 year old forward in their second AHL season is to be a point per game player, then that's pretty lofty expectations as there is not many young forwards in the AHL producing at that sort of clip.

If Pasta keeps up his current production, and Sidorov continues a good rookie season, I'm thinking Colangelo/Pasta/Sidorov are pretty interchangeable when it comes to NHL potential. All potential to be middle six forwards, all potential to end up AHL lifers.