Free Agency and Trade Thread - Playoff Edition II

[Buds17]

We're kind of in the off-season now so I guess no harm.

What kind of contract would you give Jake Muzzin if we were to keep him around?

Maybe switch his current contract numbers? So that'd be 5M per over 4 years.

 

[WTFMAN99]

3 years, 4.5-5M per

Maybe switch his current contract numbers? So that'd be 5M per over 4 years.

I thought 6M for 3 years or lower the aav 5x5 deal. He would still be in demand.

 

[rumman]

I don't think Kadri goes anywhere, but I'd be interested in Myers and Vorobyov from them.

Edit... Laughton wouldn't be a bad pickup, for a cheaper third line C either.... Laughton + Myers... though I have a feeling we might need to provide a small add.

I think Myers will be a solid NHLer.

 

[Buds17]

I thought 6M for 3 years or lower the aav 5x5 deal. He would still be in demand.

Definitely would be in demand. All situations defender with a Cup ring. I like the idea of a middle term length deal (4-5 years). Hopefully the notion of sticking around here for that will be appealing after all that time previously spent with one team.

 

[Menzinger]

4-5 year extension for Muzzin under 6 million should be an easy decision if that can be worked out

 

[Jozay]

3/4 years, 5.5 million a year or somewhere around there. I could see term being the biggest issue between the Leafs and Muzzin. He'll be 32 before the first year of his next deal ends, so I would be weary giving him a lot of term.

 

[DougGilmour93]

If Columbus loses out on Panarin/Duchene would they have any interest Nylander?

Obviously, the Leafs would need Anderson + in return for him. Is that plausible?

The Leafs could also add the likes Kadri to make the deal more of a blockbuster.

Just a thought.
Cheers​

 

[rumman]

4-5 year extension for Muzzin under 6 million should be an easy decision if that can be worked out

and people complain about Marleau's contract being a anchor.............

 

[Rare Jewel]

3 years, 4.5-5M per

That's where I'd have him as well.

 

[Rare Jewel]

I thought 6M for 3 years or lower the aav 5x5 deal. He would still be in demand.

$6m is too steep for me. As is 5 years.

 

[CanucksSTM]

If Columbus loses out on Panarin/Duchene would they have any interest Nylander?

Obviously, the Leafs would need Anderson + in return for him. Is that plausible?

The Leafs could also add the likes Kadri to make the deal more of a blockbuster.

Just a thought.
Cheers​

Anderson + ? I can guarantee you that you won't be able to get JA from Columbus. Try Nylander ++ for JA..

 

[DougGilmour93]

Anderson + ? I can guarantee you that you won't be able to get JA from Columbus. Try Nylander ++ for JA..

That makes....zero sense.


Nylander >>Anderson

 

[stickty111]

Anderson + ? I can guarantee you that you won't be able to get JA from Columbus. Try Nylander ++ for JA..

I think you need to evaluate the players better.

 

[Menzinger]

and people complain about Marleau's contract being a anchor.............

Muzzin plays like a #2-3 level D man. Those are worth 4-6 million.

Marleau plays like a 4th liner and is paid like a top six winger.

 

[CanucksSTM]

That makes....zero sense.


Nylander >>Anderson

I won't go on a huge back and forth with you because i'm not here to get into a big pissing match but NO..

Josh Andersons value is way higher then Nylander. Josh brings a game that very very few in the NHL are able to bring.

Finished 19th in hits with 214. Only 2 players in the top 50 of hits last season had more points then him, Ovie (223 hits) and E.Kane (173 hits)

Had 27 goals to Nylanders 7 (even the year before Nylander had 20).

Josh was a +25 last year and had 40 blocked shots.

Josh is a true 2 way player, he gets into the corner to get the puck and is the first player back to break up an odd man rush. You would be lucky is Nylander glided back into his zone.

Long story short, you take a player like JA into the playoffs over WN.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Muzzin plays like a #2-3 level D man. Those are worth 4-6 million.

Marleau plays like a 4th liner and is paid like a top six winger.

4 mill is even low. I'd say anything under 6 mill on a 4 or 5 year deal for a guy like Muzzin is a good deal. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets 7 mill a year on the high end. A desperate enough team will easily pay that for him.

If a guy can play #2 at a legit level, he's not making less than 6 mill. Muzzin can do that. High end #3's don't make less than 5 mill.

 

[Rielly4]

I won't go on a huge back and forth with you because i'm not here to get into a big pissing match but NO..

Josh Andersons value is way higher then Nylander. Josh brings a game that very very few in the NHL are able to bring.

Finished 19th in hits with 214. Only 2 players in the top 50 of hits last season had more points then him, Ovie (223 hits) and E.Kane (173 hits)

Had 27 goals to Nylanders 7 (even the year before Nylander had 20).

Josh was a +25 last year and had 40 blocked shots.

Josh is a true 2 way player, he gets into the corner to get the puck and is the first player back to break up an odd man rush. You would be lucky is Nylander glided back into his zone.

Long story short, you take a player like JA into the playoffs over WN.

William Nylanders playoff production in his career hasnt been up to his standard, thats forsure...But yet his playoff production is still better than Andersens. So i dont see how you take a player who produces less in the playoffs over a player who produces more? Obviously Anderson gets more hits than Nylander, thats his game but it doesnt make him better. Referencing +- is fine but Nylander was +20 last year so its not a valid argument. If blocked shots held that much weight Kris Russel would be the best d man in the league.

Also you are a Cannucks fan in the leafs board telling us how a guy who has never scored 50 pts is better than our guy who has scored 60 twice. Of course you are here for a pissing match...

I think you are maybe just mad that Nylander is way out playing EP in the world championships and wanted to come bash him in here.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I won't go on a huge back and forth with you because i'm not here to get into a big pissing match but NO..

Josh Andersons value is way higher then Nylander. Josh brings a game that very very few in the NHL are able to bring.

Finished 19th in hits with 214. Only 2 players in the top 50 of hits last season had more points then him, Ovie (223 hits) and E.Kane (173 hits)

Had 27 goals to Nylanders 7 (even the year before Nylander had 20).

Josh was a +25 last year and had 40 blocked shots.

Josh is a true 2 way player, he gets into the corner to get the puck and is the first player back to break up an odd man rush. You would be lucky is Nylander glided back into his zone.

Long story short, you take a player like JA into the playoffs over WN.

Not if you don't have guys like Nylander already on your team. Anderson is a complementary piece. He wasn't even a top 9 guy before this year (he's 25 now). Nylander is a core player who has been top 6 since he was 20. Leafs are deep enough where he is only the 4th or 5th best forward on the team, but that does not make him any less than he is. Anderson would be much lower than that on our pecking order. Sure the Leafs could probably use him more than someone like Nylander, since we are a very skill-heavy team and could use some more heavy two-way guys with skill, but if you are not super skill-heavy like the Leafs are (and very few teams are), you easily take Nylander over Anderson.

 

[rumman]

Muzzin plays like a #2-3 level D man. Those are worth 4-6 million.

Marleau plays like a 4th liner and is paid like a top six winger.

yeah, and you don't see the possibility of Muzzin's game seriously regressing in the 2nd half of your proposed deal? then your paying a D man 2-3 level when he's regressed to a 5-6 level, too funny.

 

[kb]

4-5 year extension for Muzzin under 6 million should be an easy decision if that can be worked out

Rumour is that his wife wants to stay close to home, so that puts the Leafs in a great position if the numbers can work.

 

[Fogelhund]

If Columbus loses out on Panarin/Duchene would they have any interest Nylander?

Obviously, the Leafs would need Anderson + in return for him. Is that plausible?

The Leafs could also add the likes Kadri to make the deal more of a blockbuster.

Just a thought.
Cheers​

If the Leafs move one of their better players, the return has to be a RHD who can play with Reilly. Value in this case isn't relevant.

 

[Menzinger]

yeah, and you don't see the possibility of Muzzin's game seriously regressing in the 2nd half of your proposed deal? then your paying a D man 2-3 level when he's regressed to a 5-6 level, too funny.

Well I dont have anyway of seeing the future (as a reminder neither can you).

The guy is also only 30 years old, I doubt there would be a major regression on his current abilities until he starts heading past 35. And the Leafs have a fairly substantial sports sciences group that can help determine what the risks are for his physical abilities when weighing if they're fine offering an extension..

Imo its simply nonsensical to compare resigning a 31 year old to Marleau whose first year with the team was at 37 years old

 

[Kiwi]

Well I dont have anyway of seeing the future (as a reminder neither can you).

The guy is also only 30 years old, I doubt there would be a major regression on his current abilities until he starts heading past 35. And the Leafs have a fairly substantial sports sciences group that can help determine what the risks are for his physical abilities when weighing if they're fine offering an extension..

Imo its simply nonsensical to compare resigning a 31 year old to Marleau whose first year with the team was at 37 years old

He's a prime candidate to break down quickly with his play style and not great skating ability

That contract could be an anchor in the blink of an eye, it's a big hell no for me

 

[LeafChief]

Some Avs posters on the mainboards are interested in an Erik Johnson for Kadri swap with the Avs also taking Marleau (obviously, Marleau and Johnson would both need to waive).

 

[Stephen]

If Columbus loses out on Panarin/Duchene would they have any interest Nylander?

Obviously, the Leafs would need Anderson + in return for him. Is that plausible?

The Leafs could also add the likes Kadri to make the deal more of a blockbuster.

Just a thought.
Cheers​

I'm curious about a long term Nylander for D with Columbus. He's found some interesting chemistry with Wennberg too.