Freddie Andersen vs Petr Mrazek

[Stamkos4life]

The proper answer is Andersen WAS the better goaltending while Mrazek currently IS the better goaltender.

Mrazek has had his ups and downs with injuries but still had an overall decent bounce back last year posting:

W: 6
L: 2
Ties: 3

GP: 12
Shots Against/60: 26.65
High Danger Shots Against/60: 9.48
xGA/60: 2.59

GAA: 2.06
High Danger save%: .830
Overall Save%: .923

Really good numbers but only 12 starts so theres an issue with sample size here to go along with the injury risk to the signing for the Leafs.

Andersen meanwhile is coming off probably the worst season of his career (and they kept throwing him out there to try and get him going). His stats were:

W: 13
L: 8
Ties: 0

GP: 24
Shots Against/60: 28.27
High Danger Shots Against/60: 7.69
xGA/60: 2.31

GAA: 2.96
High Danger save%: .780
Overall Save%: .895

Double the starts of Mrazek but really awful numbers all year despite being behind a tighter D makes the Andersen (who has his own injury issues) signing an even bigger gamble by the Canes IMO. Maybe the change of scenery will do him good though who knows?

Dubas fans being wrong about hockey. Name a more iconic duo.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

I'm a Canes fan who has followed the team closely since 2001. Andersen is the best goalie to play for this team since 2009 Cam Ward. Andersen makes so many high danger saves. In a year where Pesce's defensive play has slipped from past years, and our bottom pairing can be questionable, Freddie has been awesome. He hasn't been perfect every game, no one is, but he is playing I'd say like a #5-ish goalie in the league. It's so nice to have a big guy in net with good fundamentals. We're a little shellshocked after the Scott Darling experiment, a big guy with complete shit fundamentals. And last year we played a lot of Mrazek and Nedeljkovic, two very small athletic guys. The advantage of the big boys is they can just swallow pucks with good angles and positioning.

I know we're seeing about the peak of Andersen, and I expect him to be a little less than this at times. His peak is about as good as Mrazek's, but Freddie lets in fewer soft goals, and so far has been more consistent.

That said, I absolutely love Petr and what he did for this team. Petr is fiery, emotional, heart-on-his-sleeve. Andersen doesn't have as much personality, but he is the better goalie overall by a comfortable margin.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I still believe in Petr. His recent play isn't indicative of his normal game, IMO.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I'll certainly hold the L on this one, never expected this level of play from Freddy. His game had declined three seasons in a row and he was legitimately awful in his final Leafs year with both traditional and advanced stats. And I thought his insanely heavy workload for his first few years in Toronto meant a greater chance he would age poorly. Now this year he's one of the best goalies in the league in both traditional and advanced stats. Funny thing is Carolina doesn't even look impressive defensively by the numbers, he's carrying them in goals against. Tip of the cap, goalies are voodoo.

 

[Volica]

I'll certainly hold the L on this one, never expected this level of play from Freddy. His game had declined three seasons in a row and he was legitimately awful in his final Leafs year with both traditional and advanced stats. And I thought his insanely heavy workload for his first few years in Toronto meant a greater chance he would age poorly. Now this year he's one of the best goalies in the league in both traditional and advanced stats. Funny thing is Carolina doesn't even look impressive defensively by the numbers, he's carrying them in goals against. Tip of the cap, goalies are voodoo.

What?
They're literally a top 8 team in pretty much every metric that'd point to them being impressive defensively.

Freddie Andersen was literally playing out of his mind in Toronto with Leafs fans seemingly oblivious to it, and more than willing to throw him under the bus if he played only up to average. Those were team that was giving up some of the most chances against in the league; essentially turning every game into a track meet. That last year was ugly, but playing in front of a team that has the puck all night and doesn't give up many chances has just rekindled a star goaltender.

 

[TheDoldrums]

What?
They're literally a top 8 team in pretty much every metric that'd point to them being impressive defensively.

Freddie Andersen was literally playing out of his mind in Toronto with Leafs fans seemingly oblivious to it, and more than willing to throw him under the bus if he played only up to average. Those were team that was giving up some of the most chances against in the league; essentially turning every game into a track meet. That last year was ugly, but playing in front of a team that has the puck all night and doesn't give up many chances has just rekindled a star goaltender.

maybe update which metrics you look at?



Toronto fans were not oblivious to Freddys play. He was largely beloved for his first few years when he was playing great. He got crap for choking in game 7s but so do all Leafs players. Then he stopped playing great and wasn't as beloved. It's really not complicated. It's funny how even a mea culpa has someone upset

 

[Zybalto]

Dubas fans being wrong about hockey. Name a more iconic duo.

I think he's one of the greatest Leafs goalies ever (regular season anyways), was snubbed on a Vezina nom at least once and even wished him the best and you come with this weak toxic nonsense.

He was legitimately bad last season.....like one of the worst goalies in the league bad getting massively outplayed by Campbell and getting outplayed as a backup by freaking Hutchinson behind the same team.

It's nice he found his confidence again but just watch some of his games from last season and all the weak going right through him.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

People really want a .895 goalie
Have at it.

I prefer to have a .895 goalie rather than a .890 goalie.

But that's me...

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

lol you guys don't know yet that Freddy sucks now?

he doesn't last 5 games as Carolina's starter.

Your crystal ball needs a good shining.

 

[Bomber0104]

The proper answer is Andersen WAS the better goaltending while Mrazek currently IS the better goaltender.

Mrazek has had his ups and downs with injuries but still had an overall decent bounce back last year posting:

W: 6
L: 2
Ties: 3

GP: 12
Shots Against/60: 26.65
High Danger Shots Against/60: 9.48
xGA/60: 2.59

GAA: 2.06
High Danger save%: .830
Overall Save%: .923

Really good numbers but only 12 starts so theres an issue with sample size here to go along with the injury risk to the signing for the Leafs.

Andersen meanwhile is coming off probably the worst season of his career (and they kept throwing him out there to try and get him going). His stats were:

W: 13
L: 8
Ties: 0

GP: 24
Shots Against/60: 28.27
High Danger Shots Against/60: 7.69
xGA/60: 2.31

GAA: 2.96
High Danger save%: .780
Overall Save%: .895

Double the starts of Mrazek but really awful numbers all year despite being behind a tighter D makes the Andersen (who has his own injury issues) signing an even bigger gamble by the Canes IMO. Maybe the change of scenery will do him good though who knows?

 

[Volica]

maybe update which metrics you look at?



Toronto fans were not oblivious to Freddys play. He was largely beloved for his first few years when he was playing great. He got crap for choking in game 7s but so do all Leafs players. Then he stopped playing great and wasn't as beloved. It's really not complicated. It's funny how even a mea culpa has someone upset

Lol, just posting some JFresh thing.
Canes:

5th best in NHL in shots directed to the net
5th best in shots on goal
6th best in goals against
8th best in scoring chances against.
12th in save percentage.

Magic how a team doing that would be considered below average.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

maybe update which metrics you look at?



Toronto fans were not oblivious to Freddys play. He was largely beloved for his first few years when he was playing great. He got crap for choking in game 7s but so do all Leafs players. Then he stopped playing great and wasn't as beloved. It's really not complicated. It's funny how even a mea culpa has someone upset

xGA seems to put an inordinate amount of value on high danger chances against, because the Canes rank in the top 10 in pretty much every "against" metric other than HDCA.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

The way Carolina plays, they may limit chances but allow more HD chances. Their forwards are heavy on the forecheck, their D pinches aggressively and jump into the play frequently, and they have tight gaps in the neutral zone. That leads to a lot of good possession but when they do get beat, it leads to more HD chances.

I wouldn't say they are a "bad defensive team" because of it, but it does explain why many metrics look good, but xGA doesn't look as good (as that puts a lot of value HDCA).

 

[Regal]

The way Carolina plays, they may limit chances but allow more HD chances. Their forwards are heavy on the forecheck, their D pinches aggressively and jump into the play frequently, and they have tight gaps in the neutral zone. That leads to a lot of good possession but when they do get beat, it leads to more HD chances.

I wouldn't say they are a "bad defensive team" because of it, but it does explain why many metrics look good, but xGA doesn't look as good (as that puts a lot of value HDCA).

I definitely noticed that even for individual players, using regression analysis, the Canes have a bunch of players with decent corsi against numbers then horrendous xGA numbers. It makes sense to some degree, as you say, but I think it’s likely the xGA is skewed quite a bit.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Leafs fans will tell you they don't miss Andy, which is understandable but he's way better than what they have now. Hopefully for them Campbell can start getting into a groove like last year

 

[Aashir]

Leafs fans will tell you they don't miss Andy, which is understandable but he's way better than what they have now. Hopefully for them Campbell can start getting into a groove like last year

We miss the 2016-2019 freddy

the one who could play 60+ games and give you eerily consistent goaltending at an almost elite level.

What we don’t miss is the last two years, specifically last one where he seemingly fell of due to injury and never attempted a real comeback.

 

[bigbabybuda]

I dont miss Andy. He was good to very good the first couple years with us but had lost his confidence with us and wasnt going to get it back. He was legit horrific with us the last year and a half. Glad hes playing well in Carolina but I hope he gets the yipps again in the playoffs when and if they face us.

 

[Martin Skoula]

The way Carolina plays, they may limit chances but allow more HD chances. Their forwards are heavy on the forecheck, their D pinches aggressively and jump into the play frequently, and they have tight gaps in the neutral zone. That leads to a lot of good possession but when they do get beat, it leads to more HD chances.

I wouldn't say they are a "bad defensive team" because of it, but it does explain why many metrics look good, but xGA doesn't look as good (as that puts a lot of value HDCA).

Freddy is good in a specific context and that's where he faces a lot of HD breakdowns or rushes but doesn't face a lot of LD shots off extended cycles. His HD numbers were decent to outstanding with us, he would just get beaten by harmless looking point shots a couple times a game that last year.

 

[Pyrophorus]

We miss the 2016-2019 freddy

the one who could play 60+ games and give you eerily consistent goaltending at an almost elite level.

What we don’t miss is the last two years, specifically last one where he seemingly fell of due to injury and never attempted a real comeback.

I also don't miss him in game 7's, Anaheim shouldn't either.

 

[Brad C]

Freddy can be a great goalie but he lets in soft goals at bad times.

Gets mysterious injuries too.

It's only your first year with him Carolina.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Freddy can be a great goalie but he lets in soft goals at bad times.

Gets mysterious injuries too.

It's only your first year with him Carolina.

Luckily they are able to provide him with arguably one of the best back-ups in the league, so he won't burn out like he did every year with TML.

Andersen has his issues but when he's on, he can provide very good goaltending. I get why Toronto moved on, I don't get why they gave Mrazek the contract they did, and I don't think Freddy is at deserving of blame for how things have gone.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

People really want a .895 goalie
Have at it.

This aged like milk

 

[Pyrophorus]

This aged like milk

See you in a game 7
...and those were his stats

 

[The Podium]

Don’t really miss Andersen. He’ll play great 90% of the year and completely collapse in the big moments.

I’ve even seen some Canes fan notice the trend of letting a deflating goal in late when they need the big save.

Andersens overall body of work has never been the issue, it was a mental block that happened every time the team needed him.

Let’s see him win a playoff series/game 7 in Carolina before throwing it in the face of Leaf fans.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

See you in a game 7
...and those were his stats

It’s hilarious how a guy doesn’t wear blue and white he’s bad, but when he does wear blue and white he’s good.

Game 7 stats hey? Might not want to check your core. But since they wear your precious colors, you won’t.